not really sure.

Albert einstein?

This post has been edited by Serialkillerwhale: 6 Apr 2013, 1:42

Bingo!

Though it's originally about World War 3 and 4, respectively.

Probably the missiles are being prepared that will be part of another round of tests.

The NK will test for the first time a missile loaded with a nuclear warhead?

Wise men said that they are actually years away to put anything remotely nuclear on a missile.

Also, important since it seems like noone knew this in this thread. North-Korea doesn't give a shit about international treaties. Why is this important now? They hardly care about the laws about use of chemical weapons. And they have a sizable stock of chemical and biological weapons, ready to use.

Also, here's a complete coverage for those, who have might have missed something of this whole high-school drama: http://www.euronews.com/tag/north-korea-nuclear-war-threats/

This post has been edited by Maxner12: 6 Apr 2013, 12:07

Good thing you mentioned that. I'm not sure if I said it in this thread or on ModDB a while back but it is assumed that NK has all the necessary equipment to produce anything from mustard gas to VX. And yes, if it ever came to another war, I am absolutely certain that they would use that.

The problem is that the "experts" little know about current nuclear capacity of NK, the country is closed to the world and conducts its projects in secret, although it seems inconceivable that the Communists are able to develop a nuclear warhead with your scarce resources financial and technological, however nobody knows exactly to what degree of Russian and Chinese are involved in all this, there are indications that they would be actively involved in recent years with the initiatives nuclear and aerospace of Pyongyang.

One can not dismiss the possibility of the regime have an small amount of warheads miniaturized to a rocket.

This post has been edited by __CrUsHeR: 6 Apr 2013, 12:33

Even if they have nukes fit for the rockets, they still have a problem with delivering them. Only lately they could send something into orbit. Furthermore, okay, they could send a ballistic missile into space, but they still have problems with ensuring said missile doesn't get reduced into scrap when entering back into the atmosphere.

Also, this nuke drama is more like cock-comparing, the actual danger lies in their fanatic army, the artillery aimed at Seoul and the amount of chemical weapons that could turn the entire land into wastelands (seen in WW1 as well). Now chemical weapons are less of a problem after the attack, since the yankees and the s-koreans can equip themselves with protective and cleansing gear probably, but good luck with protecting the civilian population.

Forgot to mention: yes, NK is a black hole when it comes to intelligence gathering.

This post has been edited by Maxner12: 6 Apr 2013, 12:44

Chemical weapons are wind dependant.it can easily go back into your army.this happen in ww1.also if they use then,i could expect a total margination from their ally

There's also the defenses against ICBMs that the US has on it's shores. It's more likely to stop a simple missile like the ones the NKs have than not.

That missile would do little to no damage if it's armed with conventional warhead. But would provoke a "proper" response.

if it's armed with WMD one - well, preemptive and unprovoked attack one of top-tier nuclear powers with WMDs, especially nuking it, is a great way to get glassed. USA would be required to answer with nukes as well - otherwise it'd nullify psychological aspect of their nuclear deterrent. It won't be required to literally glass it, ofc, but the answer has to be on ~same level at least, due to reasons above.

This post has been edited by Knjaz.: 7 Apr 2013, 9:31

So to put it simply; Norks launch nukes, EVERY nuclear-armed state will retaliate with nukes as well, turning North Korea to our world's closets equivalent of the Fallout-verse's wastelands, minus the horrible mutants and Deathclaws.

This post has been edited by Warpath: 7 Apr 2013, 11:22

Too bad radiation and other fallout related toxics and stuff doesn't know borders (means the south wouldn't really like to have it's close neighbour nuked cause they would get a share of the medicine).

Don't forget China.

huh? I don't think any other nuclear power's arsenals would get involved into this - including NATO ones. It's also somewhat unlikely USA would refer to a massive nuclear missile strike, counter-value one (i.e., completely glassing it's population centers) - while such an option would be possible, potential consequences and loss/gain ratio wouldn't be optimal, taking into account small square of NC, and a proximity of world's top economies. Doesn't mean it'd be just "eye for an eye", in the amount of nukes. Also depends on the damage hypothetical NC nuke would inflict. If it hits unpopulated area, that's one thing - if it hits middle of LA - that's a whole different one.

But in case of first nuclear strike, they will have to answer similarly. Otherwise, as I mentioned above, they would show that they do not have the political will to go nuclear in case of nuclear strike on themselves - in this case, potential consequences and risks are too devastating.


And something tells me, that NK leaders know what would happen if they'd do it (regardless of their nuclear/delivery capability, which I'm, personally, not too "optimistic" about).

Anyone who seriously thinks that North Korea would go into a ground war, let alone launch missiles is so unbelievably mistaken.

Kim Jong Un, as nutty as he may be, has experienced (and to quite a degree, still experiences) Western-level quality-of-life and it is highly unlikely that he would want that to change. All of the dick-waving that is currently going on is the exact same thing the past North Korean governments have done, it's just sabre rattling to reinforce his power to his people, and to get the Western powers to bend to their will. It's not like he has any motivation for it other than maintaining his own power.

The exact same thing has happened countless times before.

By the way, can we stop with the 'Nork' rubbish? Seriously, you're a at a computer - it really isn't that hard to type North Korean. I'm pretty sure we're not in the 1950s anymore.

In fact Kim Jong Un will do anything to avoid an open war on the Korean peninsula, he knows that one way or another it meant the end of the dictatorship of his family on NK, however with increasing escalation of tensions in region the probability of a misunderstood act result in a conflict became large, this seems to be the biggest preoccupation of China, Russia, USA, Japan and SK.

If Kim aims to undermine the geopolitical interests of their enemies and increase his power of influence he is being successful - the U.S. announced that they will cancel the test of Minuteman III intercontinental missile which was scheduled for next week - ie the deterrent power of North Korea already reached global proportions and has become the biggest asset of the Kim's regime.

Good point. Call it a silly assumption, but maybe the guy has been so royally pissed off as of late because the most recent sanctions might also have affected his (presumably already difficult) access to foreign luxuries. For all the propaganda he may feed to his people, I could imagine this guy having a thing for conspicuous consumption behind the scenes like most eccentric dictators. Just look at him; he most likely IS the single most overfed person IN North Korea and one would assume that a living 'deity' like him would be used to a lifestyle of fancy delicacies, expensive beverages, Cuban cigars or whatever. He's never been taught to act as a rational, responsible ruler, so I could totally imagine that his political judgement would be somewhat affected by the fact that the guy is simply pissed off because he hasn't had any of his favourite luxuries lately. That, plus the fact that he hasn't had his obligatory 'prove yourself in front of daddy's old friends by pissing off the international community' moment yet which is probably the main reason for this current escalation.

Remenber that his older brother was suppose to be the leader,until he went to disneyland japan.it is very possible that kim have little time to get prepare of being head of nk ,making bad moves for his country

So Kim is throwing a tantrum because the US took away his expensive foods and drinks? There has got to be another Kim family member that's MORE competent that him, I can accept him threatening South K. to get the approval of the military but for not having his afternoon Cognac....

Josef Stalin wrote sappy poetry and drew sketches of naked men in his free time. Muammar Gaddhafi lived in a Bedouin tent when he travelled and had his own all-female bodyguard detachment. Hell, Kim Jong Il himself was an avid basketball fan, had a preference for foreign luxury products and even ordered his henchmen to abduct a South Korean movie director to make a Godzilla knockoff for him. The notion that his son would throw a temporary nuclear shit-fit over not getting any more of that expensive whiskey, caviar, cigars or whatever the hell he's into due to enforced embargoes doesn't seem unbelievable to me at all. Of course we'll never know for sure, but dictators like these are exactly the kind of people who would let their odd quirks and petty anger have an effect on their work life.

Well in the scenario where nk is nuclear destroyed,kim is going to be FAR away from korea,maybe in china or in a middle eastern country

Even though China certainly approves of NK acting as a buffer between it and the US forces in SK, I am quite certain that it would not provide shelter to Kim if it ever came to a war there. Maybe sweep in and secure whatever remains of NK as a controllable puppet state before the US/SK manage to secure the entirety of the country, but Kim is pretty much a liability and a constant source of embarrassment for the Chinese at this point.

There are many possibilities that they give shelter to him,without the us knowing about it.remenber that pakistan was supposly an us ally and bil laden was living there,near a city

As i said, it's the fear factor that's the big problem.
If they fire one, all the idiots in the country will spaz out and start building bomb shelters and crap.