Very nice explanation there, but the US still use them during the Russo-European War, or is this a case of Gameplay and Story Segregration? Anyway, very nice indeed and I wonder with MARS, are some of these fit for the wiki?

Oh, and a sidenote I believe Operation Stormbringer took place in Kazakhstan not Pakistan.

Oh, as an addendum the F-117B's engines would be upgraded to non-afterburning General Electric F414 turbofans, forgot to add that in there.

The world map showed Kazakhstan, but the close-up showed the Pakistani coast I recall. Generals had a bunch of geography errors, placing cities and geographical features in the wrong country on the world map. Since Kazakhstan is landlocked save for the inland Caspian Sea, I was thinking that Operation Stormbringer would be the code name for the invasion of GLA-occupied Pakistan, if not the opening phases. I was thinking that the GLA led to some sort of coup/revolt in Pakistan in an attempt to grab the country's sizeable military assets and the US and Chinese were brought in to put it down. The US invaded via the coast and moved north into Afghanistan, Aldastan, and Kazakhstan, meeting up with the Chinese in the latter two, where they defeated the GLA in the region at Akmola. I'll likely write more about this late-war offensive later.

Nice addendum on the Nighthawk, makes much more sense when viewed from that angle. Their use in later years, though, is somewhat inexplicable...

Well in the story it only talks about the nighthawk that was armed with missiles and not the one in ROTR armed with a single bomb, maybe there will be a part to where the nighthawk gets reactivated after the Aurora scandal as a replacement bomber..

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The F-117B retained the ability to deploy Paveway bombs and JDAMs, I thought it was obvious so more detail on abilities the real life F-117A had wasn't included.

A question: Will you cover small-arms weapons, such as the HKFN-22 or a fictional M16 variant?

A very good question! I do take requests for firearms, man-portable missile systems, and the like. Right now I've been busy with other stuff but I have been working on the Jagdmammut and will do more on other ECA tanks.

Okay nice, 'cause I've always wondered the M16 is a pretty dated platform in the ROTR-timeline at least and it would be strange for Green Berets (or was it Deltas?) to use them A4 variant in the 2040s, right? Plus it would be interesting to hear your take on the fictional HKFN-22 and G22A1 rifles mentioned by MARS.

EDIT: And the Conscripts have an AK variant with no pistol grip?

This post has been edited by Svea Rike Soldier: 12 Apr 2014, 23:38

I've been thinking about it. I believe the US troops are still using the M16/M4 by the outbreak of WWIII but I was also kicking around an idea of production variants of the LSAT program. Maybe it'll be for Colonel Burton, at least.

I don't recall hearing about the G22A1, is it a fictional version of the G22 sniper rifle? (German designation of the AWM sniper rifle)

I'm pretty sure the Conscripts carry AK-12 assault rifles.

Nope, they still use the reliable AK-74.

^ Seeing how they're literally Conscripts, these guys would be given AK74Ms by sheer virtue of availability whereas the regulars or more seasoned soldiers could use any of the newer AK models.

Could use the 6.8mm Grendel CAR variant, the M-416, the M27 IAR, etc.

Yes, that seems interesting.


I used the designation G22A1 in one of my fics because I thought I had heard about it sometime before. I might be deluding myself, but I'm pretty sure the HKFN-22 has been established as the primary armament for FELIN infantry.


The in-game model doesn't have a grip, so I was wondering. But that might yet be another case of gameplay and story segregration (or in this case, technical limits and story segregration).

I was thinking that the H&K 416 could have been formally adopted, by SOCOM at least if not the US military as a whole. That said, the gas piston for the AR-15 is a solution looking for a problem, so I was also considering that the DI M4/M16 are still used. Same with the 6.8mm SPC cartridge. However, a 6.8mm cartridge could be a possibility for the telescoped polymer cased/caseless ammunition using LSAT weapons.



As far as I recall few of the other weapons in game have grips, mainly due to performance concerns and that the grips aren't visible.

I always thought it would be interesting to see the Germans employ an updated version of the G11. Technically, they still have a few in service (probably far less than 100) now, so I don't see it as completely unlikely. It would be an awesome weapon for some German special forces unit - or, an upscaled version for a German Venom? That could be freaking awesome - a super machine gunner Venom, that could also shoot aircraft...now I want to go write that fan-fic...

MARS has said the HKFN-22 is a H&K and Fabrique Nationale collaboration to modernize, update and mass produce the G11 rifle.

Here's an update on the Jagdmammut!

Rheinmetall/Krauss-Maffei Wegmann Jagdmammut: By the outbreak of the Global War on Terror, weapons manufacturers in the United States and China had developed means to deal with the missile-heavy arsenal of the Global Liberation Army. The United States had introduced the Raytheon Quick Kill active defense system on their armored vehicles, which was improved upon by Raytheon's advanced Perimeter And Local Area Defense Integrated Network (PALADIN) active laser defense system; originally designed for warships to replace the Phalanx radar targeted Vulcan cannon, miniaturized versions of the PALADIN and its AI suite were later installed on aircraft and the latest generation of the Abrams tank and Avenger AA vehicle. Meanwhile, the Chinese created advanced and effective ECM emitters that could be mounted on tank chassis as well as aircraft and warships.

Such advancements did not go unnoticed by the German military, which had heretofore relied on defense-in-depth by means of a wide array of anti-tank missiles and rockets. Not long after the establishment of the European Continental Army, funding was procured for the development of a heavy tank destroyer that would provide reliable anti-armor support in the case of heavy anti-missile weaponry. A design based on the prototype VT tank destroyer was proposed by Rheinmetall and KMW and was soon approved for production. The Jagdmammut was a controversial choice due to its lack of mobility and turreted guns, but its defenders cited its heavy armor and powerful dual Rheinmetall 140mm cannons as proof of its suitability for defensive actions in Central and Eastern Europe. The 140mm twin cannons are an ingenious gas operated auto-loading design that is capable of using specialized Jormund jet-assisted laser-guided graphene penetrator rounds. Originally developed for an upgrade program for the Leopard 2, the 140mm cannon was briefly resurrected for the Leopard 3 program before being rejected again due to logistical concerns and the large size and mass of the cannon and its projectiles. The extreme specialization of the 140mm cannon turned out to be perfect for a tank destroyer, however. Even without the combustion light gas shells later created for the Jagdmammut's cannons, the 140mm anti-tank gun was theoretically capable of knocking out even the Overlord tank at range. As with most ECA vehicles, the Jagdmammut is powered by a highly efficient multi-fuel engine fitted to an electrical transmission.

During the Russo-European War the Jagdmammut proved itself in combat. Its heavy armor and powerful, long-ranged guns were more than adequate against Russian armor, and there were many reports of the tungsten alloy penetrators destroying multiple tanks with one shot.

Fascinating story, Krieger.

Just as an aside, you don't want to use laser guided shells. Any decent MBT today, much less 60 years in the future has lazing detection equipment that will alert the crew when they are being painted. To which they pop filament laced smoke, deploy electro-optical jammers or simply find cover.

Really? Can you shoot me a link? I would like to read about that.

It's down in the Felin render description in this update.

Basically, I thought of the Felin rifle as a joint development of Heckler & Koch and Fabrique Nationale (hence the HKFN) which is pretty much a serial production G11 with modern features (hence the 22) that fires a stronger assault rifle version of the 5.7mm round used in the P90 and FiveseveN. This was partly done to emphasise the fact that the ECA is not merely a stand-in for NATO and more detached from the United States in that they're using new standardised equipment of their own. The ECA was established as a self-contained entity that exists alongside the national militaries. Within itself, the ECA would be standardised whereas the national armies would still use non-standard /ex-NATO gear, produce their own equipment or simply find themselves in the transition to ECA standard. For example, 5.7mm seems to be their new intermediate cartridge while the smaller, original RL version is also used for SMGs and PDWs like the MP57 used by Combat Pioneers, the new Leopard tanks use Rheinmetall-made 125mm cannon, etc. One of the fics also mentioned a G22A1 rifle which, as I would assume, would be the German designation of the HKFN-22 (we simply stick a G in front of it which stands for 'Gewehr' which means rifle). This does create confusion with the RL G22 sniper rifle which is our designation for the AWM, but we could simply operate under the assumption that it has been replaced or re-designated as the SG22 (=Scharfschützengewehr) which would have been a more reasonable thing to begin with, seeing how the pure G-designation generally denotes assault/battle rifles.

Just posting the link to my plane story here for Krieger...
http://forums.swr-productions.com/index.php?showtopic=6229

From what I know, FN would prefer an acronym for their gun, it's a tradition that started with the HP and continued through the FNAC and EGLM. Germany, it seems, would be continuing their G- serial numbers over 28 (HK417/MR762) and they tend to start a new gun classification with an 1 (Beretta 49 as MP1, FN FAL as G1, etc).

Pretty cool, I was thinking about stating that the Hellfire was a J-7 converted into a UCAV.

And here's something about the HKFN-22:

The HKFN-22 assault rifle has its genesis in two late 20th century designs, Heckler & Koch's G11 assault rifle and Fabrique Nationale's P90 personal defense weapon. The creation of the ECA allowed Heckler and Koch to resurrect its stillborn G11 concept, as finally military budgets would cover the start-up costs and logistical hurdle of fielding the rifle. While the ECA adopted Beretta's ARX-160 and amounts of the G36A2 and L85A2 as medium-term rifles, HK considered their next move.

However, Heckler and Koch knew that the aging design needed improvement. The overly complicated loading and firing mechanism of the G11 was a troublesome issue in manufacturing and in combat, and the ECA was unimpressed with the range of the 4.7x33mm caseless cartridge. To that end, an unlikely alliance was forged between the two European firearms giants H&K and Fabrique Nationale. FN modified the G11's mechanism with one taking design cues from the P90; the magazine and gas-operated rotary breech were rotated to lie along the rifle's longitudinal axis, allowing for a larger 5.7x50mm caseless cartridge to be used. Ammunition was fed by a 45 round magazine (based on the P90 magazine) at the cost of a slightly longer rifle body and correspondingly higher weight. The integrated optical sight was replaced with a Picatinny rail mount, and a second rail mount was put on the lower for-end of the rifle allowing users to install foregrips, grenade launchers, and other attachments. Like the G11, the HKFN-22 had three fire modes; semi-auto, three-round burst, and a full auto mode at 460 RPM. A light machine gun variant was also produced.

The new rifle, dubbed the HKFN-22, entered service with ECA infantry shortly before the outbreak of war with Russia. Though the rifle itself was fairly heavy (around 4.75 kg when loaded), its light weight caseless ammunition allowed soldiers to carry large amounts of it, nearly twice as much as they would with the 5.56mm NATO chambered rifles heretofore used by the ECA and various European militaries. This would pay off in many instances where ECA troops had to hold territory in the face of intense Russian numbers.

This post has been edited by DerKrieger: 6 Jun 2014, 0:57

I see. Very interesting stuff, and makes a lot of sense. I'm pretty curious as to what the USA uses in their assault rifles then - 6.8 mm SPC? Also, anything on standard pistols for the various factions (not that it would matter in-game)? I feel like the USA would be using something like the FN45 Tactical, the ECA a burst pistol using FN5.7 rounds (the VP70 seems like a fit, maybe updated with a better trigger and sights), Russia some full-blown machine pistol using 7N31, China some sort of other armor-piercing pistol, and GLA whatever the hell they can find - maybe Lugers? Good for a chuckle.

Can we have some info on the main US recon plane?(SR-72?)