Not that this thread has any importance, but do I spy a wee bit of copying ere?

;3

I think this looks somewhat familiar.

I can remove it if you want, its not a big deal. Thought it isnt exactly specified what this helicopter will do, other than firing on enemies from a moderate distance.

I wonder what kind of power I have, that when I post something serious and asks "help me with this", no one responds... I am like an DDT (insecticide), just on humans.

I even wrote a theme song for your general. You're ungrateful and you hurt my feelings.

I like it, but theme songs are not present in the game for the generals. At least, there is no indication for them atm.

Dont make it a drama again ok?

4th factions should ONLY then deviate so much if their overall design themes are still the same. Like china having still brick and mortar strucutres and automated turrets as defences, while their units are either weird or cold war design based.
The shockwave armour general was a borderline beetween new faction and general, if he would have these traits:

No drones or something that replaced them
Different power usage and more speciliased strucutres, like a sole upgrade center and a tactical center for the three strategic options (which would be then different then the old us-strategy center ones)
Much more different airforce, consiting of VTOLs and heavy helicopters.

To be frank I thought I already said this, Bad Computer Bad.
This is really great, similar to the US from Vanilla Zero hour which fits if a Chinese generals was going to 'play nice'. Though I think this general needs some kind of unique Tier 2 Anti-Air system(like a S-75 Dvina (Russian: С-75; NATO name SA-2 Guideline), maybe a unique fighter bomber like the J-20 (link for what I was thinking of), maybe a viper/Comanche hybrid for china like the Z-10 (again, link for what I was thinking of), and finally I was thinking a couple of A-SAT weapons (Anti-Satellite weapons).
Edit: Maybe a 'clean' powerplant

This post has been edited by Admiral*Alex: 27 Jul 2014, 16:21

Despite being "cleaner" than other generals, Zhang is still a "Chinese general", and thus he is still dirty. In fact, he is probably more brutal, but using it efficiently, not just "throw all guns and men to do a mess", but "aim on the enemy, and than do the mess", with a big of psychological warfare (napalm). The Volunteer Squad (which I read will be available to all Generals, only with individual variations) will be available to Zhang, but they will somehow benefit from his "more professional personnel". Like some grenade launchers, rocket launchers, medic support, I dont know. It depends on the "official" variations.

Unique Tier 2 AA... I dont know, Twin Fang does seem to me to be all fine. It needs only few moments to set up and can immediately fire. And is doing damage immediately, which is quite strong. Seen 4 Fangs taking down Blackjack with one magazine. Giving it a missile system... it will make it a near copy of either Chaparral or Grumble when I will use the strong Chinese AAM system of now, HQ-9 (pretty much Grumble). Twin Fang is a solid weapon which is an accepted weapon system of the People's Liberation Army Ground Forces. If the unique AAA unit would be made for Zhang, I think it should be some flak weapon, which is different in some way to Twin Fang but has no-time-delay damage potential.

A fighter-bomber... again, MiG is an accepted official plane of the PLA Air Force, which operates quite nicely in its role. But Hellfire MiG may be replaced by something, that one seems to be... not "precise" and "modern", just throwing the bombs and hope it hits the target. Maybe based on Nanchang Q-5 with a more precise munition.

I did thought about the new gunship for him, most likely the Z-10, there I agree with you. The other helicopter with mortars can be removed, not a problem.

What role would the A-SAT hold? Anti-air weapons?

Sorry for double post.

Made some changes to General Zhang. I gave him his "role", Shock Tactics General, and changed his name to "Zhang Man Li", it sounds better for the tongue.

Also gave a name to his elite infantry, "PLA Marine" (they are the best troops of IRL PLA), replaced Light Tank for a Mantis Rocket Tank and added some description to all. And, repalced the "mortar helicopter" with Z-10 "Ming" attack helicopter. The upgrade is still pending.

Comments & critique are welcomed and appreciated, good or bad

This post has been edited by V.Metalic: 6 Aug 2014, 23:25

I'm sure this was already mentioned, but I'd love an unmanned or robotic-based advanced weapons General who fields a diverse number of advanced drones with niche and special abilities in support of heavier Metal Gear-type weapons that are within reason (small-medium sized, less vulnerable legs) such as the Gekko.

Brutal Assault General Koslov

Rank: General
Branch: Russian Regular Forces
Stationed: Volgograd, Russia
Tactics: Field Invasion & Scorched Earth

-- Infantry --
Rioting conscript
Tier 1/2 (need war factory)
Cost: $250
Replaces Shmel Trooper
Armed with Moltov Cocktails
Can clear garnison
Can use a war cry to inspire nearby infantry
War cry gives same effect than "camaraderie"

-- Vehicles --
Grizzly Transport
Tier 0
Cost: $650
Replaces BMP
Unarmed
Amphibious
Can transport 10 units
Infantry inside and around healed
If destroyed, all infantry around gain "camaraderie" bonus

Mobile Outpost
Tier 1
Cost: $1200
Replaces MTP Vehicle
Unarmed, but has fireports for 2 units
Repairs vehicles around it
Can be deployed by destroying its wheels (impossible to un-deploy)
On deployement, creates an incendiary burst in a small radius.
Once deployed, repair radius increased, armor restored, and can have 2 more units inside.

Rampage Tank
Tier 2
Cost: $3000
Replaces Sentinel
Armed with dual 125mm cannon
Can fire incendiary rockets to infantry
Can be upgraded with ERA

-- Aircraft --
Demo Hunchback
Tier 1
Cost: $1000
Armed with a fuel dispenser
Units and buildings covered with fuel ignite and get massive damage if they are hit by

incendiary weapon.
Can transport 6 units

-- Upgrades --
Light the fuse!
Tier 1
Cost: $1500
Increases damage done by Rioting Conscripts
Increases damage and burn time of Hunchback fuel

War Treasures
Tier 1
Cost: $2500
Increases the capacity of supply trucks by 50%

Unleash the beast
Tier 2
Cost: $2500
Rampage tank can now use Overcharge
Overcharge increases speed, turret rotation speed and rate of fire for 7 seconds, but

Rampage tank takes damage.

-- General Powers --
Rank 1: Beluga Strike
Calls a Su-27 to strike ground units with a powerful BLG-66 "Beluga" cluster bomb
Beluga bomb is effective against defenses and ground units
Su-27 is fragile and can be easily be shot down, but quite fast.
Requires Helipad or Airfield

Rank 3: Prepare for Invasion
Increases production speed of target building
Level 1: +25% for 60 seconds
Level 2: +35% for 90 seconds
Level 3: +50% for 150 seconds

You know the Prepare for invasion power seems like a really neat feature- But maybe have it for all buildings and have it operate like oil sabotage. A sort of mass mobilization power... could have some interesting gameplay things.

Lumpen mobs of the world, unite!
This is both extremely entertaining and good to try out in the game.

Just a technicality, Russia has "Russian Armed Forces", or as the ground-based army, "Russian Ground Forces", not "Regular".

In a way he fits to the Russian tactics of "scorched earth", thought with the lore this tactic isnt that widely applied by Russian commanders, but why not. If the situation demands it

I am not sure why Rioting Conscript is replacing Shmel Trooper, when in terms of "burning the enemy" he is inferior. The Molotov cocktails are slower and less accurate than thermobaric rocket, which is also stronger. The only factor which makes him more useful is the War Cry ability. A version of Shmel Trooper that has the War Cry, or simply not with the Molotovs, can be a better option.

The Grizzly transport having the Camaraderie "trait" is a great idea, thought the number of transported infantry, when compared to other transport vehicles, would make it a large vehicle. Just saying. The mobile Outpost, it can have infantry inside, or vehicles? Its not clear from that description. But as the support vehicle that can help the Russia keep the ground they took sounds good. How does it creates the incendiary burst around itself when it deploys? It ahs the grenade dispensers loaded with incendiary/thermobaric grenades/charges that are fired in the radius around itself?

The Rampage Tank does sound like a modern Mammoth Tank, which I greatly appreciate! A large tank that can deliver tons of damage and withstand the incoming attacks rather easily. Thought my question would be, why this tank isnt used by all Russians instead of Sentinel, or that it isnt used by Aleksandr, the advanced weapons researcher.

Demo Hunchback (thought it isnt using demolitions at all)... hmm... to make his attack option working you will have to work in tandem with other units that can set the fuel ablaze. The thermobarics, which the Russians in RotR use extensively, works in similar way. The fuel is dispersed, and than detonated, whcih creates a strong concussive force as well as a vacuum. That Hunchback requires another unit to make it work is a great idea, maybe a Havoc with a incendiary payload, as that is the only thing which can have it and can keep up with Hunchback's mobility.

All 3 upgrades sounds great, nothing to comment on them.

The Beluga Strike sounds like a great idea, thought not sure if being 1-star GP is a good idea, since from the few that are known, none of them are directly offensive. Either unlock of some great weapons, or some other form of support power. And while I would love to see Su-27/37 in the game, maybe a Frogfoot can be delivering the Beluga bomb?

Prepare for Invasion is, like others before me said, an interesting feature which will give a great advantage to the Russian player when he gets to rank 5, just little worried if the numbers are not too much. That the percentage of efficiency is increased is fine, but also the duration? The difference between level 1 and 3 is like 400%, which is a giant jump. ComradeCrimson's note sounds good, just to play with the numbers so it isnt "certain win" GP.

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On another note, what specialty will you give the fourth GLA general? They are the most difficult, as pretty much all aspects have been taken by the official three, and there isnt much more angels to follow. The only one I can imagine is something about salvaging, but there goes the problem, what sort of aspect of... "criminal actions" he can embody. Sulaymaan embodies the warlords of the Africa and Middle East, who use the force to keep their power, and also the arms dealing. Yusuuf is the terrorism of the modern time, using bombs to cause all sorts of terror, or using the fundamentalism and anger of people to cause as much pain and destruction to the enemy as possible. And Ibrahiim is the drug dealing, making all sorts of drugs to gain money for the GLA, and the use of biological and chemical weapons, thing which is common in this area of the world. The question is, what other thing can the fourth general embody?

Slave trafficking, prostitution, rare animal trafficking

So some sort of general with high mobility and a more nomadic, more disposable base with faster, cheaper, less durable buildings.

This post has been edited by DarkyPwnz: 16 Aug 2014, 13:34

To answer your questions:

Rioting Conscript are designed to be cheaper than Shmel, to be more spammable
Mobile Outpost can only carry infantry.
The incendiary burst works as you said, a burst of grenades (here incendiary ones) are launched all around the vehicle. I took inspiration with French Galix System (used by Leclerc Tank)
About the Hunchback, it acts more like a support weapon, in order to give a damage bonus, which can be useful against large groups.

Talking about Beluga Bomb, I wanted to do something effective to open breaches in ennemies defenses. It is effective against defenses, but not big buildings. It also has limited AoE.
About the "Prepare for Invasion" power, maybe it needs adjustment to be less OP, I agree.

And for 4th General of GLA and China, I haven't found their specialty. I'm working on it. But first, I think I will correct General Koslov.

Thanks for your remarks ^^

How about, for a fourth GLA general -

Not based in Africa, more undercover in various grey areas, with exact whereabouts unknown.

Focuses more on insurgency, and manipulating other nations to fight for the GLA.

Main income (in lore) would be from voluntary (though secretive) support and donations, perhaps a few ponzi schemes.

Weaponry would be mostly inherited from disenfranchised states - his main tanks would be a hodge-podge of various Cold War designs, like Centurions mixed with T-55s and M60 Pattons. Less of a focus on cobbled-together vehicles, more focus on modified normal production vehicles - sort of like Salvage General from Shockwave, but more normalized - think ZSU-57-2 (or similar) for Igla replacer, which would not need to deploy and be immune to anti-missile countermeasures. Something like an oversize Flak 88 as a Stinger Site replacer, with an explosive shell useful for AA and AT. His Rebels would be more organized and use machine guns, giving them a small anti-aircraft ability and higher damage, but less speed. His Tunnel Defenders would use LAWs, which would do more damage than RPGs, but be unable to attack aircraft. As a special infantry, he could have a deployable recoilless rifle (two-man, like the M67), which would be stealthed until it fired or moved.

He would have a more respectable air force than the other GLA states, using Mirages armed with three multi-purpose missiles, and Mi-4 Hounds as a buffed-up Gazelle with no AA capability, but would be more armored and use several wire-guided missiles (like, firing 4 at a time instead of 2). Perhaps also a specialized ground attack aircraft with slow speed and high damage attack (something like a Frogfoot, but only using bombs, and a bit slower).

For General Powers, he might have something where a few Mig-29s are called in and provide air support for a while over an area - firing missiles and flying in a sort of guard formation. Maybe a paradrop of vehicle reinforcements?

Also for the lulz, a special heavy vehicle that would basically be a WWI Mark IV tank, which would move slowly, but be able to cross all terrain and carry infantry inside that fire their weapons - maybe this could be a battle bus replacer?

On the downside, his units would be a bit more expensive as they are a more regular fighting force, and he might be lacking some toxins or other unusual equipment.

Prostitution is not that interesting for GLA, just for entertainment, and some small money. But the slave trading and trafficking, that sounds more promising. Maybe some poor infantry whore are slaves and unwilling to fight. General that is damn fast, but damn vulnerable that even others have more durability. That could work, thanks DarkyPwnz

Maelstrom: Not a problem.

8igDaddy8lake: In a way you have a point with the more sneaky guy that can gain support from other sources. But as I always say here, in RotR the generals dont differ from one another to the point of having completely different play style. The Tunnel Defenders can stay as they are, and more units. GLA, from what was revealed so far, has the minimum of exclusive units from all other factions. That goes to what was revealed of them so far, I may be wrong. The put-together normal production vehicles sounds interesting, yes. Its something that you can think of.

This post has been edited by V.Metalic: 16 Aug 2014, 15:34

The way I was trying to make it is not like making it another faction, but enough differences for people to want to play it. Basically, it would be a GLA for people who can diversify their forces well, and it would offer less frail units for use, making them better for holding ground instead of just playing hide and seek.

Than its not a GLA at all. GLA is frail for use that does hide and seek and hit-&-run tactics

I was thinking, for the fun, how would a Japan look like as another faction in Generals ZH, either 4th for regular or 6th for RotR (fan all, of course), maybe even mixed with Korean as their closest ally. But the problem is I never came up with the gameplay strategy for them, so I never got past that The aethetics would be they have either orange or pink color (after sakura cherry trees) as faction color, and their units are colored a mix of beige, green and on pieces white. Buildigns are mostly whtie walls and the green/beige roofs and all. Just wanted to put that up here, because, why not

I said less frail, as they would still be outdated designs. They would still have the other tactics, but more options for simply holding their ground.

There were some threads on that a while back, with some interesting ideas thrown out there. I think they would be more reserved in their technology use than the USA and ECA's protocols, but would still have some interesting (and unique) weapons available. They would have some low quality, cheap cost units, mainly to initially swamp an enemy, and then a second level of more powerful "elite" units. Like, Reservists as a base infantry, armed with a simple rifle and rocket launcher (dual-purpose AT and main infantry, but weaker at both than similar units) and then a better (but much more expensive) sort of Heavy Infantry, which would have a better rifle, under-barrel grenade launcher, and would be able to capture buildings. Basically, a sort of double-faction, with two widely varying types of units. Faction colors might be a white-blue or white-red mix, judging from past and present color schemes of their military.

Not sure how would that go with the Japan to accommodate two levels of army, one made up from "weaker reservists" and other "highly-trained elite", when there is China right over the sea with endless hordes of infantries and innumerable number of tanks. The thing is other 5 factions kinda occupies all major gameplay styles.

Well there were several threads about Japan as a new faction before, and to be honest it is highly difficult to make it different from either USA, ECA or Russia.

A navy heavy faction would be a cool thing to have, but not in Generals.

You could combine styles of gameplay like High-Tech and Hit-and-Run or your choice of the Five.
Or you could pick on of the five styles of gameplay then have a favorite tactic/tool.