1.5 Impression, - discuss, post opinions - Options

[Anubis]

Since there is no topic like this opened yet, i'll be the first to post. Discuss opinions about 1.5, what you like, what you don't like etc. I'll go first as i'm the topic starter .
After playing a few days of rotr 1.5 here is my view of it.

1. Tier system - while the whole tier system is really interesting i find some of the ingame aspects a bit odd, and some really odd.
- the current defense tier system feels really strange imo - the usa protector requires tier 2 while the firebase tier one. what is the point of the howitzer upgrade with this system. Imo the protector should be the T1 defense, while the firebase the T2 one, as it can garrison 4 infantry and upgrade with the howitzer and all of this without any power req. The Tower Component system also feels really odd - imo the RPG tower should be T1 and tesla/air raid sirene ones T2.
- the MBT system also feels out of place and way to RA3-ish.

2. USA Detention Camp - i dunno exactly what plan's are for this structure, but it's current design is the oddest one ingame. A jail that can research high tech upgrades... ? I know realism is not something rotr aim's for, but then again what is the difference between a jail that researches advanced technologies and a tomahawk launcher that launches tomahawk axes ? . The design looks good enough to get renamed at least - maybe rename the Detention Camp to - Tech Center or something ( even research centers have defense fences and guard towers ).

3. USA Firebase howitzer - the thing looks big and bad enough to make even the mighty inferno cannon cry. But currebtly it has a really low range/damage and radius damage. Imo the howitzer should gain as much range as the infenro cannon, but at a lower ROF. Currently it's just to big, and does to little. It's like an overlord that fires scorpion shells.

4. Some designs - while some units ingame looks really awsome, and some redesigns are really cool, other suffer from old looking/EA shity job designs imo.
- while the new paladin feels better than the old one, compaired to the crusader it looks like a box on treads. It's suppose to be a heavy armored tank, yet it's the same size as the crusader, and looks alot lighter. If it wasn't for the treads side covers, the paladin could just as well be the crusader mk2 and the new crusader would be the paladin. It has 4 treads, it looks alot heavyer, and the design is alot more high tech than the paladin box on treads design.
- the Chaparral looks like a black dot on a white sheed. With newer designs aimed at AA combat like the THAAD launcher or the ADATS system, the chaparral really looks absolite, ugly and out of place with the modern and even a bit futuristic design of the current usa faction.
- with the new design/texture detail on the russian barracks and airfield, i couldn't help realising that some of the russian buildings really need some loving - russian CC, Radar and Warfactory. There skin simply looks bland, and the models look highly simplistic.
- Chinese Battlemater - the mg on the turret looks really ugly. While the model got a improved design, that mg looks like crap ( because it's EA's crap ).
- Chinese Propaganda Tower - with the new redesign of the chinese defenses, the prop tower is starting to look really old and bland. Needs some loving to, and probably some visual addons once the subliminal messaging is done - like additional patriotic flags on it or stuff like that.

5. I miss the Helix - i personaly was really dissapointed to see the helix out again. While the han is probably one of the coolest gunships in any ZH mod ( and the flamer addon is really great ), the helix had it's coolnes factor as well .

6. Cobra Gunship - while the cobra was one of my fav gunship designs, i really think it's a bit to old for RotR. Again, i'm not a big fan of realism and it's not why i don't like it in rotr, but with such talented team members i really can't understand why not create a new cool/modern/bit futuritic design for it, and use a 40+ years old design.

7. Nighthawk bomber - again, with so many new design possibilites, i simply cannot understand why keep this crapy old plane. It just looks bad, and feels out of place with so omany other design possibiltes, that would be more modern and more in touch with the RotR timeline.

8. Cool new stuff :

- the Crusader mk 2 is really cool, although the locomotor type upg system feels a bit buggy as it starts with bouth upgrades 'not researched' and only once you chose one status the upgrades become - one active and one unactive.
- The Osprey - really great model and skin job on this one.
- The black hawk - again great job on it ( ignoring the small copy/paste errors we all know of ).
- The new Raptor model and skin.
- The new chinese defenses and nuke cannon, as well as the flame upg for khan.
- The new Russian sentinel and airfield.
- nuke cannon and tomahawk new working systems.
- new AI .
- new maps - especialy the waterfall one from the video feed. Awsome detail job on it.

Final words : RotR imo has a great potential, but at it's current state feels and looks way to much like vanila generals - in terms of the old faction that is. I know it's to early to talk about it, but the thing is, the stuff in 1.5 might just as well make it in 2.0 , so my point is - add alot of new designs and mechanics - scrap almost everything EA used/did, and get as far away from the generals style as possible ( like using really old crapy techs with newer weapon warheads - like the cobra and chaparral ). At least this is how i see it. Imo the current rotr might just as well pass as a different view of shockwave, but instead of new generals it adds new factions. Feels to much like a addon made by EA, and to litle like a true stand alone ( gameplay wise not game wise ) mod. Again this is my personal opinion. Feel free to comment on it, or post your own. It's after all the point of this topic.

Anubis out.

This post has been edited by Anubis: 1 Oct 2009, 2:51

[Anubis]

I don't think balance is needed atm, nor is it the time spent for it. It's not like any of the team members have a job in doing this mod. Spending time on balance means no time for further working on the mod. I doubt the team has 25 hours a day of free time so they can spend it all on balance and modding. Every balance change they make not only requires time to play the game, but also change the code and think of new ways to obtain that balance.
This is not a balance topic, since balance atm is kind of out of the question and simply not worth implementing. RotR at this point is just a single player based beta. Like other said before, what is the point in adding balance since most of the current factions units and defenses will be split arround when the generals factions are released, again considering this is not a job but a free time hobby. The point of this pre 2.0 releases is to give us a taste of what the end result will have in it, not a full working mulltiplayer experience.
So pls, end the balance stuff, and just focus on design/features that you enjoyed or not, because this is the purpose of this topic.

This post has been edited by Anubis: 4 Oct 2009, 1:25

[Shiro]

Well said Anubis.

[Wi-Ta]

The point of this pre 2.0 releases is to give us a taste of what the end result will have in it, not a full working mulltiplayer experience.

For me this hits the nail on the head.

[Frostyarmy]

We all have are opinions.

[JJ]

Exactly, also offline people never truly appreciates balance. Problem with ignoring balance completely is that the multiplayer community is almost non-existent, I myself have not played games with more than 2 players yet since 1.5.

[Shiro]

Maybe you should join some Hamachi rooms^^ I did, and it was a good choice.

[Razven]

Exactly, also offline people never truly appreciates balance. Problem with ignoring balance completely is that the multiplayer community is almost non-existent, I myself have not played games with more than 2 players yet since 1.5.

To be honest, I have yet to play a game of the public release version because there doesn't seem to be anyone there.

[Frostyarmy]

You could always as someone to upload it for you

[GrizzAFWX]

For those who are having an issue with the F-117 being in the game because the USAF retired it, just follow this scenario (courtesy of AFBlues.com):

[Shiro]

Nice comic indeed, explains the whole situation well

[wb21]

Agreed, that "retirement" might just be a cover-up...

[Overdose]

Nice.

[Anubis]

Right ... they covered up the F117 wich had a few problems in it's stealth systems when deploying weapons and a few others, as well as ageing technology yet they keep the B2 F22 and F35 as close to public view as possible wich are far more advanced and stealthed ( B2 especialy ) than the F117. We are talking about a ancient plane compaired to this new ones. It's like saying the germans told the public the U-boat are retired and replaced by nukesubs, so they can still use the 'secret U-boat armada of death' . The comic is good. The point it brings is ball:@it . It makes no sense in any logical way.

This post has been edited by Anubis: 5 Oct 2009, 21:06

[Overdose]

Its not supposed to. =/

[GrizzAFWX]

Right ... they covered up the F117 wich had a few problems in it's stealth systems when deploying weapons and a few others, as well as ageing technology yet they keep the B2 F22 and F35 as close to public view as possible wich are far more advanced and stealthed ( B2 especialy ) than the F117. We are talking about a ancient plane compaired to this new ones. It's like saying the germans told the public the U-boat are retired and replaced by nukesubs, so they can still use the 'secret U-boat armada of death' . The comic is good. The point it brings is ball:@it . It makes no sense in any logical way.

That's why it's a comic.

[Anubis]

I was not refering to the comic itself when i said it makes no sense, but to the people who actually belived and sustained that the comic offers a true and belivable answer for the continuos use of the nighthawk. Belive it or not, i know what a comic is and is suppose to do .

[Shiro]

Of course the comic is silly and over the top, buth uhm just think about it: all those planes you mentioned, are very avdanced and VERY expensive (and obviously more difficult to produce) than the old F-117. Apart from that, the F-117 is an iconic unit considered 'American' (or so they say).

This post has been edited by KamuiK: 6 Oct 2009, 22:47

[Cobretti]

Actually the F-35 will be less expensive than the F-117, and the last F-117 was built sometime in the late 1980's.

[GrizzAFWX]

Actually the F-35 will be less expensive than the F-117, and the last F-117 was built sometime in the late 1980's.

Development on it actually started in the late 70s. The plane was operational by the mid 80s, and it saw action in Panama in the late 80s.