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The experimental model of the tank will be presented in 2015, its serial production will start a year or two later. This development will be the first step towards the creation of weapons "unmanned", called "combat robots" that spoke the authors of science fiction works of the last century.

The military expert Igor Korotchenko explains what it is:

"It will be a tank equipped with a reinforced capsule that will ensure the preservation of the lives of the crew in conditions of combat operations real. Ammunition will be screened out of the capsule. At no tower and no one can be loaded cannon and fire automatically without man's participation. pointing the - operator will take care only to indicate the target and choose the type of projectile, designed to achieve the target. Therefore, it is a platform shielded completely unified and automated which will play a wide circle of missions in combat operations and is an industry first national armored. "

The expert Aleksandr Gurov believes that the wars of the future man's role is reduced to the mission of the organization. Therefore, similar developments are indispensable.

"In the case of an intervention from outer space or on the part of some foreign country, the defense should include both soldiers and robots, unmanned planes and tanks and other kinds of weapons.'s An imposition of the XXI century. Russia is a power that other states can not ignore and that has a wonderful community of scientists. The country should develop similar weapons. "

The existence of heavy Armata platform was unveiled last summer. It is being developed since 2009 and should become the basis of a whole range of modern heavy tanks, the tanks and infantry special vehicles designed to tank brigades and mechanized infantry. The development project is undertaken by Uralvagonzavod's largest industrial complex - Russia's military. Incidentally, today this same company also is developing two more combat platforms - and the Kurganets Bumerang. The Army will receive next year war material built on this basis.

The General Staff Gen. approved the program of creating a series of tanks, which could change the whole structure of armored forces. Developing tank designs - robots got to be done even in Soviet times, but after the collapse of the country all these projects have been frozen. Now scientists and engineers try to revive this promising idea, just as many other projects for the reform of the Armed Forces.

Russian President Dmitri Medvedev recently stated in college Defence Ministry that the reform of the Armed Forces had already yielded serious results - the combat capability of the troops, as well as the degree of equipment with modern war materials increased.

"In general, thanks to the reforms we have made new military, much better able to withstand the threats of our time and respond to potential threats that may arise."

The state has earmarked 20 trillion rubles, ie about 660 billion dollars for the rearmament of the Armed Forces until the year 2020, which will lead to qualitative changes in the equipment of the Armed Forces with new types of armaments.


Armata platform
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The efficiency of the vehicle will compensate the mega investment? Will be this the tank of the future? We'll know in 2015...

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QUOTE (__CrUsHeR @ 16 Mar 2013, 2:07) *
"Armata" combat platform will use many features of the T-95 tank, only a few of Which Have Been prototypes built. Battle tank In the main variant, the ammunition compartment will be separate from the crew, Increasing operational safety while the engine will be more powerful and the armor, main gun and autoloader will be improved. prototype is scheduled to The enter field trials in 2013, about 10 months ahead of schedule. First Deputy Defense Minister Alexander Sukhorukov said. The new tank is under development at Uralvagonzavod in Omsk. The first deliveries of the tank to the Russian Armed Forces are scheduled for 2015. A total of 2.300 MBTS are expected to be supplied by 2020. [2] The tank will have an unmanned, remotely controlled turret. It will be digitally controlled by a crewmember located in a separate compartment. Believed It is this would lead to the development Eventually of a fully robotic tank". (Understood, a FULLY robotic tank )


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Armata combat platform will use many features of the T-95 tank, only a few of Which Have Been prototypes built


Object.195 is not T-95. And yes, Armata is based off 195th.


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Battle tank In the main variant, the ammunition compartment will be separate from the crew, Increasing operational safety while the engine will be more powerful and the armor, main gun and autoloader will be improved.


Correct.

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prototype is scheduled to The enter field trials in 2013, about 10 months ahead of schedule.


Yep, he said that. Proves the point of it being a "scaled down" 195th. Nobody would be able to create Armata-like tank in 4 years.

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The new tank is under development at Uralvagonzavod in Omsk. The first deliveries of the tank to the Russian Armed Forces are scheduled for 2015. A total of 2.300 MBTS are expected to be supplied by 2020.


Yes, it's developed by UVZ, and, if I'm not mistaken, scheduled for 2015, but about 460 Armatas per year from 2015 to 2020 - it doesn't make any sense, unless they're planning to also substitute tanks in reserves with brand new ones and completely phase T-90 out of active duty.

Basically, from experience of previous years, his words could be translated as:
1) 2300 Armatas till 2020.
2) 2300 Armatas and new T-90's till 2020.
3) 2300 Armatas, new and repaired/modernized T-90's till 2020.

And judging by the experience, it's 3rd, 2nd at best. Because if it's 1st, they will need to keep production going, and they will be putting new Armata's into reserve storage bases. That would definitely take it's toll on the budget, since the total amount of tanks in RuArmy arsenal, by 2020, is believed to be at 6000-9000. (over 2k in active combat-ready units, everything else in reserves). Ofcourse, they won't be filling all of them, but I'm fairly certain that T-90 will stay in active service in 2020.

I'd be pretty happy if they'll manage to pull 1st, though biggrin.gif

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The tank will have an unmanned, remotely controlled turret. It will be digitally controlled by a crewmember located in a separate compartment.


Correct, same stuff as on Obj.195

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Believed It is this would lead to the development Eventually of a fully robotic tank". (Understood, a FULLY robotic tank )


As in, next generation? The one that will come after Armata? Well, some people can have such wishes. Like Rogozin had a wish of picking Hypersonic variant for PAK-DA development. (although, you can never be sure, maybe they will indeed end up with such thing biggrin.gif )
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QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 16 Mar 2013, 13:41) *
Yep, he said that. Proves the point of it being a "scaled down" 195th. Nobody would be able to create Armata-like tank in 4 years.


It seems to me an error saying that it is being produced just 4 years, this type of vehicle has already been designed by Russian engineers since 1990 under the molds of "Black Eagle" which had a prototype in 2001 but ended up having the same fate as American Commanche by a matter of spending cuts, ie Russia holds the technology and "desing" the vehicle practically ready in a few years, the T-95 also not prospered for the same reason - lack of investment - only now with a consortium in progress the project is finally taking shape.

QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 16 Mar 2013, 13:41) *
Yes, it's developed by UVZ, and, if I'm not mistaken, scheduled for 2015, but about 460 Armatas per year from 2015 to 2020 - it doesn't make any sense, unless they're planning to also substitute tanks in reserves with brand new ones and completely phase T-90 out of active duty.

Basically, from experience of previous years, his words could be translated as:
1) 2300 Armatas till 2020.
2) 2300 Armatas and new T-90's till 2020.
3) 2300 Armatas, new and repaired/modernized T-90's till 2020.

And judging by the experience, it's 3rd, 2nd at best. Because if it's 1st, they will need to keep production going, and they will be putting new Armata's into reserve storage bases. That would definitely take it's toll on the budget, since the total amount of tanks in RuArmy arsenal, by 2020, is believed to be at 6000-9000. (over 2k in active combat-ready units, everything else in reserves). Ofcourse, they won't be filling all of them, but I'm fairly certain that T-90 will stay in active service in 2020.

I'd be pretty happy if they'll manage to pull 1st, though biggrin.gif


Remember that the Armata is a universal platform for several different vehicles, I do not think there will be 2300 tanks, the source says 2300 will be "Armatas", ie 2300 "platforms", not necessarily tanks.

QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 16 Mar 2013, 13:41) *
As in, next generation? The one that will come after Armata? Well, some people can have such wishes. Like Rogozin had a wish of picking Hypersonic variant for PAK-DA development. (although, you can never be sure, maybe they will indeed end up with such thing biggrin.gif )


Maybe, maybe not ... Only time will tell, however I do not doubt the capabilities of Russian engineering. wink.gif


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- __CrUsHeR   Russia and the project of future tank (5th Generation)   5 Mar 2013, 12:26
- - dangerman1337   I've heard the production Armata may actually ...   5 Mar 2013, 12:51
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (dangerman1337 @ 5 Mar 2013, 8:51) ...   5 Mar 2013, 13:04
|- - Knjaz.   Hah, I just discovered this forum. Never really di...   15 Mar 2013, 7:32
|- - dangerman1337   QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 15 Mar 2013, 7:32) That...   15 Mar 2013, 8:33
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 15 Mar 2013, 3:32) Also, ...   15 Mar 2013, 12:27
|- - Knjaz.   QUOTE (__CrUsHeR @ 15 Mar 2013, 13:27) Ru...   15 Mar 2013, 13:26
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 15 Mar 2013, 9:26) Well, ...   15 Mar 2013, 14:07
|- - Knjaz.   QUOTE (__CrUsHeR @ 15 Mar 2013, 15:07) I ...   15 Mar 2013, 14:54
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 15 Mar 2013, 10:54) ...   15 Mar 2013, 16:08
|- - Knjaz.   QUOTE (__CrUsHeR @ 15 Mar 2013, 17:08) In...   15 Mar 2013, 17:54
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 15 Mar 2013, 13:54) Wut? ...   16 Mar 2013, 1:07
- - MARS   Military future predictions of the United States a...   5 Mar 2013, 18:31
- - Serialkillerwhale   It's not real, we'd need to see more UAV a...   8 Mar 2013, 9:34
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (Serialkillerwhale @ 8 Mar 2013, 5...   8 Mar 2013, 11:19
- - Serialkillerwhale   Mostly because those robots generally have simpler...   8 Mar 2013, 13:17
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (Serialkillerwhale @ 8 Mar 2013, 9...   8 Mar 2013, 16:35
- - Col._Sandfurz   QUOTE (MARS @ 5 Mar 2013, 18:31) Military...   13 Mar 2013, 11:36
- - __CrUsHeR   I agree that it is hard to believe that in 2015 th...   13 Mar 2013, 12:23
- - MARS   If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if the Ar...   13 Mar 2013, 13:12
|- - dangerman1337   QUOTE (MARS @ 13 Mar 2013, 13:12) If anyt...   13 Mar 2013, 20:14
- - MARS   Yeah, I wouldn't get my hopes up for the T-90 ...   13 Mar 2013, 20:42
- - __CrUsHeR   The tanks of the series 'T' will probably ...   13 Mar 2013, 21:04
- - MARS   Wouldn't the Armata still be part of the T-ser...   13 Mar 2013, 22:08
- - __CrUsHeR   Technically it will not be part of the series ...   13 Mar 2013, 22:35
- - MARS   Still, why would they stray from their naming patt...   14 Mar 2013, 6:18
- - DerKrieger   QUOTE (MARS @ 13 Mar 2013, 15:42) Yeah, I...   14 Mar 2013, 6:38
- - MARS   That new T-90 looks pretty cool. Still very distin...   15 Mar 2013, 9:21
|- - Knjaz.   QUOTE (MARS @ 15 Mar 2013, 10:21) That ne...   15 Mar 2013, 10:30
- - Knjaz.   Armata's production should begin in nearest ye...   15 Mar 2013, 9:44
- - __CrUsHeR   This news released today by the Vice-Premier Dmitr...   15 Mar 2013, 13:12
- - Knjaz.   Don't have much time, so I'll answer brief...   16 Mar 2013, 11:45
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 16 Mar 2013, 7:45) Don...   16 Mar 2013, 12:23
|- - Knjaz.   QUOTE (__CrUsHeR @ 16 Mar 2013, 13:23) Th...   16 Mar 2013, 16:54
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 16 Mar 2013, 12:54) Infor...   16 Mar 2013, 17:26
- - __CrUsHeR   I read a bit more about the project Bumerang and K...   16 Mar 2013, 13:32
- - MARS   Looking at many of these designs makes me miss the...   16 Mar 2013, 16:54
|- - Mcbob   QUOTE (MARS @ 16 Mar 2013, 16:54) Looking...   17 Mar 2013, 20:42
|- - dangerman1337   QUOTE (Mcbob @ 17 Mar 2013, 20:42) Can yo...   18 Mar 2013, 9:53
- - Knjaz.   QUOTE (__CrUsHeR @ 16 Mar 2013, 2:07) ...   16 Mar 2013, 17:41
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 16 Mar 2013, 13:41) Yep, ...   16 Mar 2013, 18:08
|- - Knjaz.   QUOTE (__CrUsHeR @ 16 Mar 2013, 19:08) Re...   16 Mar 2013, 19:53
- - __CrUsHeR   In fact it refers to MBTs, I believe that until 20...   16 Mar 2013, 20:03
- - Knjaz.   Erm, it's not about if it's possible to me...   16 Mar 2013, 20:11
- - __CrUsHeR   Surely UVZ not want to stop producing the reliable...   16 Mar 2013, 20:17
- - Col._Sandfurz   Very interesting discussion. I did not know that ...   17 Mar 2013, 15:21
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (Col._Sandfurz @ 17 Mar 2013, 11:21...   18 Mar 2013, 11:29
|- - Knjaz.   QUOTE (__CrUsHeR @ 18 Mar 2013, 12:29) Ab...   19 Mar 2013, 20:48
- - MARS   QUOTE I read somwhere that the US had considered g...   17 Mar 2013, 19:27
- - MARS   This entire notion of rapid deployability in regar...   18 Mar 2013, 10:07
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (MARS @ 18 Mar 2013, 6:07) This ent...   18 Mar 2013, 11:45
- - Col._Sandfurz   QUOTE (MARS @ 17 Mar 2013, 19:27) The US/...   18 Mar 2013, 15:04
- - __CrUsHeR   May 9... Looking forward to this date to see for ...   27 Feb 2015, 12:22
- - Karpet   I would say both the T-14 and T-90 are quite big t...   28 Feb 2015, 20:54
- - Serialkillerwhale   There's advantages on either side. This is pu...   5 Mar 2015, 9:40
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (Serialkillerwhale @ 5 Mar 2015, 5...   5 Mar 2015, 12:07
|- - Karpet   QUOTE (Serialkillerwhale @ 5 Mar 2015, 3...   6 Mar 2015, 22:17
|- - MARS   QUOTE (Karpet @ 6 Mar 2015, 22:17) But wh...   7 Mar 2015, 21:03
|- - Serialkillerwhale   QUOTE (Karpet @ 6 Mar 2015, 13:17) A plai...   7 Mar 2015, 23:50
|- - Karpet   QUOTE (Serialkillerwhale @ 7 Mar 2015, 18...   8 Mar 2015, 19:52
- - Serialkillerwhale   Not that. Any serious military confrontation betw...   5 Mar 2015, 12:21
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (Serialkillerwhale @ 5 Mar 2015, 8...   5 Mar 2015, 12:39
- - Serialkillerwhale   Point.   5 Mar 2015, 22:38
- - MARS   I have to agree with Karpet on this one too. We li...   9 Mar 2015, 7:04
- - DerKrieger   QUOTE (Serialkillerwhale @ 7 Mar 2015, 18...   9 Mar 2015, 13:34
- - Knjaz.   There, it's finally unveiled. Here's the w...   4 May 2015, 19:39
- - __CrUsHeR   It seems incredibly armored, while it is not as la...   4 May 2015, 20:32
- - Svea Rike   Those tanks look sexy as hell. Kinda remind me of ...   4 May 2015, 20:47
- - __CrUsHeR   See the video at the link below of an Armata in te...   4 May 2015, 20:53
- - stukaju87d3   The Polish one will be sexier FFS QQ Darn.   5 May 2015, 5:49
- - Knjaz.   2 more photos, view from above. T-14 https://img-...   5 May 2015, 6:51
- - The_Hunter   I can't say i like the way the tank looks all ...   5 May 2015, 9:53
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (The_Hunter @ 5 May 2015, 5:53) I c...   5 May 2015, 11:17
- - TimeBurner   The chasis is very sleek to me.But, the turret is ...   5 May 2015, 12:07
- - Svea Rike   Even though I said it was sexy are we really criti...   5 May 2015, 12:23
- - re_simeone   Tbh that tank looks to me like one of Iranian tank...   5 May 2015, 12:50
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (re_simeone @ 5 May 2015, 8:50) Tbh...   5 May 2015, 14:48
- - The_Hunter   QUOTE (Svea Rike @ 5 May 2015, 13:23) Eve...   5 May 2015, 19:06
- - Svea Rike   And this looked pretty? Preferences, preference...   5 May 2015, 20:01
- - Knjaz.   Well, people are coming to general consensus that ...   6 May 2015, 17:41
- - __CrUsHeR   ^ I would say that the version with the extended t...   6 May 2015, 18:00
- - Serialkillerwhale   It has to be angular because angular works better ...   7 May 2015, 1:51
- - __CrUsHeR   Other interesting facts disclosed about the T-15: ...   7 May 2015, 18:32
- - Serialkillerwhale   If it were manned remotely, design it for that. Th...   9 May 2015, 11:19
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (Serialkillerwhale @ 9 May 2015, 7...   9 May 2015, 12:42
- - __CrUsHeR   Another novelty about the Armata: Russian Next-Gen...   14 May 2015, 12:57
|- - Pepo   QUOTE (__CrUsHeR @ 14 May 2015, 13:57) An...   14 May 2015, 21:57
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (Pepo @ 14 May 2015, 17:57) The Ame...   14 May 2015, 22:13
|- - Pepo   QUOTE (__CrUsHeR @ 14 May 2015, 23:13) Th...   15 May 2015, 15:21
|- - __CrUsHeR   QUOTE (Pepo @ 15 May 2015, 11:21) I didn...   15 May 2015, 15:59
- - Serialkillerwhale   Picture related.   14 May 2015, 13:55
- - __CrUsHeR   To get an idea of what should be coming to the Arm...   14 May 2015, 17:17


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