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Kodiak becomes redundant in mid-late game
Kazan
post 8 May 2014, 11:31
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Since Golem is almost twice as powerful as Kodiak so Kodiak becomes somewhat redundant in the mid-late game. So as to keep the Kodiak still viable in later part of the game, wouldn't it be pertinent to confer it with missiles that could be launched from the main gun after an upgrade, just like the T-64?
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Nemanja
post 8 May 2014, 12:33
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Isn't Kodiak best MBT in the game overall ?
Kodiak maybe gets redundant if you are playing against easy AI,
since against it you can spawn dozens of Sentinels and Golems...
So from that perspective it is redundant,from a perspective of common sense this whole topic is redundant.
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post 8 May 2014, 17:20
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QUOTE (Re_Simeone @ 8 May 2014, 14:33) *
Isn't Kodiak best MBT in the game overall ?


One of the worst. In 1802, that is.
Yes, I mean that quite literally, balance/stat/cost-efficiency wise, for a slow ground-bruteforce oriented faction.

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post 9 May 2014, 9:15
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QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 8 May 2014, 18:20) *
One of the worst. In 1802, that is.
Yes, I mean that quite literally, balance/stat/cost-efficiency wise, for a slow ground-bruteforce oriented faction.

Can you give me details,as far as I have saw it is pretty much one of toughest tanks and it posses firepower that
can be matched only be Leopard.
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QUOTE (Re_Simeone @ 9 May 2014, 11:15) *
Can you give me details,as far as I have saw it is pretty much one of toughest tanks and it posses firepower that
can be matched only be Leopard.


Faction supply gather rate is generally similar, if you do proper supply positioning.
Simpliest way - get a friend, get same amount of $$$ in Kodiaks for you and Battlemasters for him.
Use focus fire, i.e. manually make all your units engage same target at once, killing enemy one by one. Same for him. Like you'd do in actual PvP game.

Do tests through various tiers, without upgrades, with tier 1 upgrades, with tier 2 full upgrades. Preferably with no less than ~5000$ worth of tanks for each side.

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post 9 May 2014, 11:54
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QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 9 May 2014, 10:20) *
Faction supply gather rate is generally similar, if you do proper supply positioning.
Simpliest way - get a friend, get same amount of $$$ in Kodiaks for you and Battlemasters for him.
Use focus fire, i.e. manually make all your units engage same target at once, killing enemy one by one. Same for him. Like you'd do in actual PvP game.

Do tests through various tiers, without upgrades, with tier 1 upgrades, with tier 2 full upgrades. Preferably with no less than ~5000$ worth of tanks for each side.

I thought one on one...According to your logic Kodiak is then worthless piece of shit.
One on one only Leopard can be even with Kodiak,an that is because it will shoot first due to range of its gun.
But I cannot see any other tank winning,I don't know how fully upgraded Bombardment Crusader would do tho,
but I am pretty sure how Kodiak would win against most of them.Oh yeah there is also a very useful smoke launcher,
which can give Kodiak one more priceless second if properly managed to shot first while enemy tanks is occupied with shooting at decoy.
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post 9 May 2014, 12:49
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QUOTE (Re_Simeone @ 9 May 2014, 13:54) *
I thought one on one...According to your logic Kodiak is then worthless piece of shit.
One on one only Leopard can be even with Kodiak,an that is because it will shoot first due to range of its gun.
But I cannot see any other tank winning,I don't know how fully upgraded Bombardment Crusader would do tho,
but I am pretty sure how Kodiak would win against most of them.Oh yeah there is also a very useful smoke launcher,
which can give Kodiak one more priceless second if properly managed to shot first while enemy tanks is occupied with shooting at decoy.

And then what is the cost of the single Kodiak and single Battlemaster? If we're comparing these tanks from 1.802 version, so 5 BMs will beat the crap out of 3 Kodiaks. And the situation is getting worse with tier progression, Mass Production and ERA don't change overall situation.

And by the way, Crusaders and much more cost effective than Paladins in 1.802.


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- Kazan   Kodiak becomes redundant in mid-late game   8 May 2014, 11:31
- - MARS   The Golem is still much more expensive than the Ko...   8 May 2014, 12:24
- - __CrUsHeR   It would be extremely unbalanced.   8 May 2014, 12:28
- - Knossos   QUOTE (Kazan @ 8 May 2014, 18:31) Since G...   8 May 2014, 12:31
|- - Kazan   QUOTE (Knossos @ 8 May 2014, 17:01) First...   9 May 2014, 10:27
|- - NeverLose   QUOTE (Kazan @ 9 May 2014, 16:27) Crusade...   9 May 2014, 12:24
|- - Re_Simeone   QUOTE (Kazan @ 9 May 2014, 11:27) Crusade...   9 May 2014, 12:45
- - Re_Simeone   Isn't Kodiak best MBT in the game overall ? Ko...   8 May 2014, 12:33
|- - Knjaz.   QUOTE (Re_Simeone @ 8 May 2014, 14:33) Is...   8 May 2014, 17:20
|- - Re_Simeone   QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 8 May 2014, 18:20) One of...   9 May 2014, 9:15
|- - Knjaz.   QUOTE (Re_Simeone @ 9 May 2014, 11:15) Ca...   9 May 2014, 9:20
|- - Re_Simeone   QUOTE (Knjaz. @ 9 May 2014, 10:20) Factio...   9 May 2014, 11:54
|- - BliTTzZ   QUOTE (Re_Simeone @ 9 May 2014, 13:54) I ...   9 May 2014, 12:49
||- - Re_Simeone   QUOTE (BliTTzZ @ 9 May 2014, 13:49) And t...   9 May 2014, 12:56
|||- - BliTTzZ   1300 credits tank against 700 credits tanks? Oh, ...   9 May 2014, 13:15
|||- - Re_Simeone   QUOTE (BliTTzZ @ 9 May 2014, 14:15) 1300 ...   9 May 2014, 14:25
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||- - Knjaz.   QUOTE (Kazan @ 9 May 2014, 16:30) It seem...   9 May 2014, 14:47
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- - Comr4de   This problem won't be relevant once we move ev...   8 May 2014, 16:56
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