Kodiak becomes redundant in mid-late game Options

[Kazan]

Since Golem is almost twice as powerful as Kodiak so Kodiak becomes somewhat redundant in the mid-late game. So as to keep the Kodiak still viable in later part of the game, wouldn't it be pertinent to confer it with missiles that could be launched from the main gun after an upgrade, just like the T-64?

[Nemanja]

Isn't Kodiak best MBT in the game overall ?
Kodiak maybe gets redundant if you are playing against easy AI,
since against it you can spawn dozens of Sentinels and Golems...
So from that perspective it is redundant,from a perspective of common sense this whole topic is redundant.

[Knjaz.]

Isn't Kodiak best MBT in the game overall ?

One of the worst. In 1802, that is.
Yes, I mean that quite literally, balance/stat/cost-efficiency wise, for a slow ground-bruteforce oriented faction.

This post has been edited by Knjaz.: 8 May 2014, 17:27

[Nemanja]

One of the worst. In 1802, that is.
Yes, I mean that quite literally, balance/stat/cost-efficiency wise, for a slow ground-bruteforce oriented faction.

Can you give me details,as far as I have saw it is pretty much one of toughest tanks and it posses firepower that
can be matched only be Leopard.

[Knjaz.]

Can you give me details,as far as I have saw it is pretty much one of toughest tanks and it posses firepower that
can be matched only be Leopard.

Faction supply gather rate is generally similar, if you do proper supply positioning.
Simpliest way - get a friend, get same amount of $$$ in Kodiaks for you and Battlemasters for him.
Use focus fire, i.e. manually make all your units engage same target at once, killing enemy one by one. Same for him. Like you'd do in actual PvP game.

Do tests through various tiers, without upgrades, with tier 1 upgrades, with tier 2 full upgrades. Preferably with no less than ~5000$ worth of tanks for each side.

This post has been edited by Knjaz.: 9 May 2014, 9:22

[Nemanja]

Faction supply gather rate is generally similar, if you do proper supply positioning.
Simpliest way - get a friend, get same amount of $$$ in Kodiaks for you and Battlemasters for him.
Use focus fire, i.e. manually make all your units engage same target at once, killing enemy one by one. Same for him. Like you'd do in actual PvP game.

Do tests through various tiers, without upgrades, with tier 1 upgrades, with tier 2 full upgrades. Preferably with no less than ~5000$ worth of tanks for each side.

I thought one on one...According to your logic Kodiak is then worthless piece of shit.
One on one only Leopard can be even with Kodiak,an that is because it will shoot first due to range of its gun.
But I cannot see any other tank winning,I don't know how fully upgraded Bombardment Crusader would do tho,
but I am pretty sure how Kodiak would win against most of them.Oh yeah there is also a very useful smoke launcher,
which can give Kodiak one more priceless second if properly managed to shot first while enemy tanks is occupied with shooting at decoy.

[BliTTzZ]

I thought one on one...According to your logic Kodiak is then worthless piece of shit.
One on one only Leopard can be even with Kodiak,an that is because it will shoot first due to range of its gun.
But I cannot see any other tank winning,I don't know how fully upgraded Bombardment Crusader would do tho,
but I am pretty sure how Kodiak would win against most of them.Oh yeah there is also a very useful smoke launcher,
which can give Kodiak one more priceless second if properly managed to shot first while enemy tanks is occupied with shooting at decoy.

And then what is the cost of the single Kodiak and single Battlemaster? If we're comparing these tanks from 1.802 version, so 5 BMs will beat the crap out of 3 Kodiaks. And the situation is getting worse with tier progression, Mass Production and ERA don't change overall situation.

And by the way, Crusaders and much more cost effective than Paladins in 1.802.

[Kazan]

And then what is the cost of the single Kodiak and single Battlemaster? If we're comparing these tanks from 1.802 version, so 5 BMs will beat the crap out of 3 Kodiaks. And the situation is getting worse with tier progression, Mass Production and ERA don't change overall situation.

And by the way, Crusaders and much more cost effective than Paladins in 1.802.

1300 credits tank against 700 credits tanks?
Oh, and by the way, when they both fully upgraded and BM gets propaganda from somewhere, it annihilates Kodiak. Just ONE BM. Cost effective?

It seems the Kodiak is virtually powerful since it defeats 1v1 any other MBT. This might win you a battle or two but you might probably loose the war against other faction, especially China, as the victory depends also on cost of production and that is where Kodiak lacks by far. It is VERY cost inefficient (as flagrantly opposed to reality! Anyways, you guys don't bother about that ). Not to mention the tier upgrades on both sides only further aggravates the situation for Kodiak! And this is another reason why the developers might want to reconsider revamping this thing up a bit.

This post has been edited by Kazan: 9 May 2014, 14:31

[Knjaz.]

It seems the Kodiak is virtually powerful since it defeats 1v1 any other MBT. This might win you a battle or two but you might probably loose the war against other faction, especially China, as the victory depends also on cost of production and that is where Kodiak lacks by far. It is VERY cost inefficient (as flagrantly opposed to reality! Anyways, you guys don't bother about that ). Not to mention the tier upgrades on both sides only further aggravates the situation for Kodiak! And this is another reason why the developers might want to reconsider revamping this thing up a bit.

It was somewhat revamped back in December or November 2013, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, that balance issue was, mostly, addressed.

Price wise,Kodiak price is absurd,no matter fact that RF is supposed to be expensive,1300 for MBT is too much,
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No,since Overlord is not a MBT.

Kodiak is an MBT (main battle tank), but it's not a medium tank. It's in Paladin class actually, design wise - it's a Heavy tank.
So, I wouldn't say 1300 is too much for a Heavy. Just, in this particular case Cost-efficiency got screwed.

This post has been edited by Knjaz.: 9 May 2014, 14:59