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[Svea Rike]

I think he wanted the Uyghur people independence but I am not quite sure...

[Alex1guy]

Hmmm this wiki is interesting. I'd like to help if there are any pages needing lore.

[MARS]

Our personal take was that the rogue Chinese general was one Ismail Khan from the Xinjiang region which is inhabited by the Uyghur people and primarily Islamic. There's a bit of a separatist movement going on there in RL and in ROTR's interpretation of Generals/ZH, this particular general sided with the GLA in order to bring independence to his people. He was also the one who allowed them entry into Chinese territory and supplied them with a few nukes, including the one that was used on Beijing. We're going to dedicate a future update to his fate.

[(USA)Bruce]

^Awww I had such a nice "China wanted to put USA in check and slow it down" somewhat a cold war detterance thing/uneasy alliance.

What about the chineese nuclear convoy that had an alliance with the gla but then it got intercepted by the players gla cell the "loyal ones" Any info on that?

[MARS]

Two possibilities: The nukes were part of another delivery by Khan to the GLA and he wasn't aware that the cell he was delivering them to was planning on going rogue OR (and this is somewhat implied in the timeline) the cell was duped into betraying the GLA proper via some intelligence gambit by General Jin who also arranged the delivery of a few nuclear warheads hoping that the rogue GLA cell would use them against Deathstrike's loyalists.

[Svea Rike]

What about the destroyed Chinese base in the last USA mission? Was that Kwai?

[MARS]

Presumably a forward outpost of his forces that got attacked by the GLA, not literally 'his' personal HQ.

[Nemanja]

I have one question about choice of Russian second names,
it bugs me for some time so I have to ask.
Why all Russian second names in all of lore ends on OV ?
Suvorov,Orlov,Bikov,Zhukov...Like they are Bulgarians not Russians !
Those "Bulgarian" s. names are present in ton of games and it becomes
a cliche to add second name to fictional Russians that ends with OV.
Yeah I know those are common,but what with s. names that ends with
IN,EV,KO,ICH,KIY...?

[MARS]

Whilst I apprectiate your feedback, you do have to keep in mind that there's only that much time we can dedicate to researching basic cultural backgrounds of the many nationalities that appear in the story. I am actually aware that there is more variety to Russian names, but all the ones you mention were actually set in stone many years ago, even before I was working on the story. Much like the issue that 'Aleksandr' isn't actually a surname, this is something that we can't retroactively change anymore since that would be more disruptive than leaving them as they are now.

[Cobretti]

I have one question about choice of Russian second names,
it bugs me for some time so I have to ask.
Why all Russian second names in all of lore ends on OV ?
Suvorov,Orlov,Bikov,Zhukov...Like they are Bulgarians not Russians !
Those "Bulgarian" s. names are present in ton of games and it becomes
a cliche to add second name to fictional Russians that ends with OV.
Yeah I know those are common,but what with s. names that ends with
IN,EV,KO,ICH,KIY...?

Because a great deal of Russian surnames do end in "-ov," and all of the names mentioned thus far are actual Russian surnames.

[Nemanja]

Because a great deal of Russian surnames do end in "-ov," and all of the names mentioned thus far are actual Russian surnames.

You just pissed on what I've said...
Yeah I know that more than half of all Russian surnames ends up on OV,
but not all of them,and I know that most of those I mentioned are actually Russian ones,
that was reason why I have put quotation marks when I've said Bulgarian ones,
but point was that,those that ends up on OV,are overused in naming fictional Russians.

[Dynamo128]

You just pissed on what I've said...
Yeah I know that more than half of all Russian surnames ends up on OV,
but not all of them,and I know that most of those I mentioned are actually Russian ones,
that was reason why I have put quotation marks when I've said Bulgarian ones,
but point was that,those that ends up on OV,are overused in naming fictional Russians.

So, they should rewrite general's pages, rewrite tons of lore and unit descriptions and a ton of more work just because you think it's a clichè that some names end in OV?

Do you realize how unpractical this is? Does it matter if it's overused or not? I don't really think anyone besides you cares.

Just my two cents.

[Talonek]

I'm sure it would only require them to go through every single post on every website and edit the names to ensure there is no confusion.

[SpiralSpectre]

Yeah that's cliche but honestly speaking it's practically impossible to write a good story without resorting to cliches once in a while. This war is a WW3 scenario of (neo) NATO vs. Russia, doesn't that sound a bit familiar?

BTW guys Simeone didn't necessarily say this issue has to be "fixed". He was just pointing it out.

[Nemanja]

Whilst I apprectiate your feedback, you do have to keep in mind that there's only that much time we can dedicate to researching basic cultural backgrounds of the many nationalities that appear in the story. I am actually aware that there is more variety to Russian names, but all the ones you mention were actually set in stone many years ago, even before I was working on the story. Much like the issue that 'Aleksandr' isn't actually a surname, this is something that we can't retroactively change anymore since that would be more disruptive than leaving them as they are now.

I've just asked why,nothing more.
I noticed that Aleksandr's surname is Ivanovich,is that due to fact that he got his complete name recently,
so it is out of old "OV pattern".

I'm sure it would only require them to go through every single post on every website and edit the names to ensure there is no confusion.

And you joker are,like,making fun of me ?
I asked why it is way it is,not to redone it because I don't like it,
and on top of that I've never said I don't like it.

[Svea Rike]

And you joker are,like,making fun of me ?
I asked why it is way it is,not to redone it because I don't like it,
and on top of that I've never said I don't like it.

I think you just contradicted yourself there.

[MARS]

I've just asked why,nothing more.
I noticed that Aleksandr's surname is Ivanovich,is that due to fact that he got his complete name recently,
so it is out of old "OV pattern".

All three Russian Generals received an additional patronymic middle name by the time we started updating all the MTG profiles. Now that I mention that, this was also the point where they even received given names in the first place. Prior to that change, all Generals only had their surnames which was extra odd for the ECA Generals since their supposed surnames were actually given names for some random reason. As I started developing the story further, I came up with proper full names for all of them. For the Russians, that would be Yevgeny Romanovich Orlov, Leonid Vasilyevich Zhukov and Nikita Ivanovich Aleksandr.

Also, I kindly ask all parties of this discussion to drop the semi-abrasive tone now. There is no need to get annoyed.

[Nemanja]

All three Russian Generals received an additional patronymic middle name by the time we started updating all the MTG profiles. Now that I mention that, this was also the point where they even received given names in the first place. Prior to that change, all Generals only had their surnames which was extra odd for the ECA Generals since their supposed surnames were actually given names for some random reason. As I started developing the story further, I came up with proper full names for all of them. For the Russians, that would be Yevgeny Romanovich Orlov, Leonid Vasilyevich Zhukov and Nikita Ivanovich Aleksandr.

Also, I kindly ask all parties of this discussion to drop the semi-abrasive tone now. There is no need to get annoyed.

Wait,so Aleksandr's surname remained way it is,I thought that Ivanovich represented his surname,
but I've just googled little bit and I now realize how their middle names work,meaning that his pops is named Ivan.
Is Aleksandr some codename or what ?

[MARS]

It's supposed to be his actual name. We are fully aware that it's not linguistically correct, but at this point, it is too late to change it to something more sensible like Aleksandrov or Aleksandrenko cos like I said: Correcting it now would feel more disruptive than leaving it as it is. For what it's worth, it adds to the weirdness and eccentricity of his character.

[SpiralSpectre]

Maybe his real surname is indeed Aleksandrov or Aleksandrenko. But he prefers Aleksandr for some weird/psycho reason. Perhaps he really admired Alexander the Great and always wanted to be conqueror or something so he started calling himself Aleksandr... weirdo.

[Nemanja]

I think you've given pretty good explanation,that can easily be part of official story.

[Die Hindenburg]

I will notice one something...

The wiki lacks one thing: CORPORATIONS!!!
Please allow them on the wiki!!! They are the spice in the soup of an military game, if just for their products or small lore.
Can we do add them for the wiki???

[MARS]

Only reference corporations that were explicitely mentioned in canon material. We generally try to avoid name dropping corporate entities because we would have to make up fictional ones to avoid legal issues and a pile-up of obviously fake company names would make things convoluted at best and silly at worst. That said, we do add covert references whenever they fit. For example, the ECA's HKFN-22 service rifle is clearly implied to be a collaboration of Heckler & Koch and Fabrique Nationale and the 'KMW' mentioned in the Manticore's introduction would be the German arms manufacturer Krauss-Maffei Wegmann.

[(USA)Bruce]

I have one question about choice of Russian second names,
it bugs me for some time so I have to ask.
Why all Russian second names in all of lore ends on OV ?
Suvorov,Orlov,Bikov,Zhukov...Like they are Bulgarians not Russians !
Those "Bulgarian" s. names are present in ton of games and it becomes
a cliche to add second name to fictional Russians that ends with OV.
Yeah I know those are common,but what with s. names that ends with
IN,EV,KO,ICH,KIY...?

It could have been worse...much much worse...

[Planardweller]

It could have been worse...much much worse...

Eh, should have been Ivanov for a Russian. This looks polish to me.