What happened to the Zero Hour Equipment? |
What happened to the Zero Hour Equipment? |
28 Aug 2014, 13:06
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Wasteland Abysswalker Group: Members Posts: 417 Joined: 21 July 2014 From: Brazil Member No.: 10551 I... Will... KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILL... |
Current Beta of my newest story (or a collection of it):
LINK HERE Need suggestion for the DOCS Page This post has been edited by BlackRangerXIII: 25 Sep 2014, 3:57 -------------------- |
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28 Aug 2014, 16:23
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Group: Project Leader Posts: 5870 Joined: 2 June 2009 Member No.: 10 |
Interesting take on the subject, but I don't think they would designate a laser-variant of an existing vehicle by adding a 1 to the vehicle's original designation. Rather, I would identify the Laser Crusader as the M4L or M4A1L and the Laser Paladin as the M1L or M1A4L instead.
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28 Aug 2014, 16:37
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Wasteland Abysswalker Group: Members Posts: 417 Joined: 21 July 2014 From: Brazil Member No.: 10551 I... Will... KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILL... |
Interesting take on the subject, but I don't think they would designate a laser-variant of an existing vehicle by adding a 1 to the vehicle's original designation. Rather, I would identify the Laser Crusader as the M4L or M4A1L and the Laser Paladin as the M1L or M1A4L instead. Tried but I fail at designation of things Fixed it -------------------- |
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30 Aug 2014, 4:07
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Wasteland Abysswalker Group: Members Posts: 417 Joined: 21 July 2014 From: Brazil Member No.: 10551 I... Will... KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILL... |
To MARS:
If I can get this thing to a good point, will it be considered as Lore Canon, Semi-canon, or non-canon? -------------------- |
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30 Aug 2014, 6:24
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Group: Project Leader Posts: 5870 Joined: 2 June 2009 Member No.: 10 |
I can never guarantee that before I've actually been able to read and possibly revise the full piece.
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30 Aug 2014, 13:59
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I can never guarantee that before I've actually been able to read and possibly revise the full piece. I see Maybe I'll continue the rest when I'm more inspired -------------------- |
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30 Aug 2014, 17:20
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Group: Members Posts: 381 Joined: 24 March 2013 From: Wyoming, Michigan, USA Member No.: 9872 'Ex'-American Tanker figthing for the ECA |
Could you talk about the EMP Patriot, the Alpha Aurora, and the Hellfire drone?
-------------------- The Devil Brigade Commander/Commander of NATO Forces
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30 Aug 2014, 17:30
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Wasteland Abysswalker Group: Members Posts: 417 Joined: 21 July 2014 From: Brazil Member No.: 10551 I... Will... KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILL... |
Could you talk about the EMP Patriot, the Alpha Aurora, and the Hellfire drone? The EMP Patriot will be the next one the Alpha Aurora will be with the Cut Hypersonic Aurora (Aurora Beta) and the VZH Aurora (Aurora Charlie) as for the Hellfire Drone, it will be one of the last of the US equipment to receive a backstory -------------------- |
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30 Aug 2014, 19:21
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Group: Project Leader Posts: 5870 Joined: 2 June 2009 Member No.: 10 |
Personnally, I've always operated under the assumption that the 'Alpha' Aurora is a marginally different model of the Aurora (maybe just a different series of prototypes seeing how the entire plane has already been established as highly experimental) whose main distinction is the use of a different weapon which appears to be a super-compact fuel air explosive.
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30 Aug 2014, 23:48
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Wasteland Abysswalker Group: Members Posts: 417 Joined: 21 July 2014 From: Brazil Member No.: 10551 I... Will... KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILL... |
Personnally, I've always operated under the assumption that the 'Alpha' Aurora is a marginally different model of the Aurora (maybe just a different series of prototypes seeing how the entire plane has already been established as highly experimental) whose main distinction is the use of a different weapon which appears to be a super-compact fuel air explosive. The Aurora Alpha is actually the first of the aurora prototypes and it was designed as a battlefield replacement for the B-52 Fuel Air Bomb tactic by giving it a Supersonic speed with the powerful firepower of the Fuel air bomb. Also Personally is with one N. I'm also visibly tired so until tomorrow This post has been edited by BlackRangerXIII: 31 Aug 2014, 0:13 -------------------- |
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31 Aug 2014, 0:19
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The Aurora Alpha is actually the first of the aurora prototypes and it was designed as a battlefield replacement for the B-52 Fuel Air Bomb tactic by giving it a Supersonic speed with the powerful firepower of the Fuel air bomb. Also Personally is with one N. I'm also visibly tired so until tomorrow Geez it's just an Aurora with a different bomb it doesn't need another designation. USA stopped producing Daisy Cutters in real life, and they simply ran out of the smaller fuel air bombs because they stopped producing them like they did the bigger ones after the post-war budget cuts. And prototypes don't go to war. This post has been edited by DarkyPwnz: 31 Aug 2014, 0:20 |
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31 Aug 2014, 5:19
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Geez it's just an Aurora with a different bomb it doesn't need another designation. USA stopped producing Daisy Cutters in real life, and they simply ran out of the smaller fuel air bombs because they stopped producing them like they did the bigger ones after the post-war budget cuts. And prototypes don't go to war. Read Griffon's Profile: "Despite his indisputable expertise, they believed that Griffon's promotion was largely the result of the "Aurora scandal", which ruined the careers of several aspiring Air Force officers who had essentially blown the lid off a black R&D project that had been rumored to exist since the early 1980s. As a result, the hyper-sonic FB-40 Aurora aircraft was pushed into service against the GLA, only to suffer humiliating losses due to its overly intricate design. Heads rolled and Griffon was expected to be less of a bone-headed maverick than his predecessors; a task that he fulfilled to the best of his abilities by salvaging the remains of the now defunct Aurora programme into something worthwhile and protecting the Air Force from the sharp budget cuts of the post-war recession." I plan to use this as a base for the Aurora Backstory And sometimes, Prototypes go to war and please don't mention real life to a game -------------------- |
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31 Aug 2014, 11:28
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Wasteland Abysswalker Group: Members Posts: 417 Joined: 21 July 2014 From: Brazil Member No.: 10551 I... Will... KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILL... |
Updated with two Aurora Stories, some additional info and the List of what I'm planning to write
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31 Aug 2014, 11:52
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Read Griffon's Profile: "Despite his indisputable expertise, they believed that Griffon's promotion was largely the result of the "Aurora scandal", which ruined the careers of several aspiring Air Force officers who had essentially blown the lid off a black R&D project that had been rumored to exist since the early 1980s. As a result, the hyper-sonic FB-40 Aurora aircraft was pushed into service against the GLA, only to suffer humiliating losses due to its overly intricate design. Heads rolled and Griffon was expected to be less of a bone-headed maverick than his predecessors; a task that he fulfilled to the best of his abilities by salvaging the remains of the now defunct Aurora programme into something worthwhile and protecting the Air Force from the sharp budget cuts of the post-war recession." I plan to use this as a base for the Aurora Backstory And sometimes, Prototypes go to war and please don't mention real life to a game The FB-40 designation clearly states that it's ready for service, and not a prototype. It was also mass produced. It was simply mass produced earlier without the additional features or testing they intended for it. As for real life, that was just saying how they could have simply ran out of the bombs like they did in real life after they stopped producing. Your explanation is too complicated, they simply ran out of fuel air bombs as they stopped producing them. RotR's USA doesn't get Fuel Air Bombs and leveling city blocks doesn't fit USA's doctrine of precision removal. Your Hypersonic Aurora explanation is also garbage because you don't spend billions of dollars on a project not knowing whether or not hypersonic flight would tear the craft apart, there are hundreds of simulations and other tests done for that. Call it a mechanical failure or something, or an imperfection in the surface which generated extreme drag and heat, deforming the surface, eventually leading to catastrophic structure failure. This post has been edited by DarkyPwnz: 31 Aug 2014, 11:56 |
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31 Aug 2014, 12:23
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Wasteland Abysswalker Group: Members Posts: 417 Joined: 21 July 2014 From: Brazil Member No.: 10551 I... Will... KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILL... |
The FB-40 designation clearly states that it's ready for service, and not a prototype. It was also mass produced. It was simply mass produced earlier without the additional features or testing they intended for it. As for real life, that was just saying how they could have simply ran out of the bombs like they did in real life after they stopped producing. Your explanation is too complicated, they simply ran out of fuel air bombs as they stopped producing them. RotR's USA doesn't get Fuel Air Bombs and leveling city blocks doesn't fit USA's doctrine of precision removal. Your Hypersonic Aurora explanation is also garbage because you don't spend billions of dollars on a project not knowing whether or not hypersonic flight would tear the craft apart, there are hundreds of simulations and other tests done for that. Call it a mechanical failure or something, or an imperfection in the surface which generated extreme drag and heat, deforming the surface, eventually leading to catastrophic structure failure. Let's wait for MARS Before any comments Also Why won't you help me instead of complaining? This post has been edited by BlackRangerXIII: 31 Aug 2014, 12:32 -------------------- |
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31 Aug 2014, 12:37
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Let's wait for MARS Before any comments Also Why won't you help me instead of complaining? I am helping you, it's you who sees it as complaining. I told you why your ideas didn't make much sense and I also explained how they could be improved. What more do you want? |
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31 Aug 2014, 12:41
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Wasteland Abysswalker Group: Members Posts: 417 Joined: 21 July 2014 From: Brazil Member No.: 10551 I... Will... KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILL... |
I am helping you, it's you who sees it as complaining. I told you why your ideas didn't make much sense and I also explained how they could be improved. What more do you want? HOW! SHOW ME HOW THEN! Improving is HELPING THE OTHER not MAKE SUGESTION Teamwork is Important but don't worry I'm verifying everything This post has been edited by BlackRangerXIII: 31 Aug 2014, 12:53 -------------------- |
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31 Aug 2014, 12:48
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Darky does raise some valid points in that some of these explanations seem overly complicated and detailed. I'm actually not too fond of dealing with the Aurora in fictions until we actually re-implement and re-introduce it officially, since I would prefer to present an official take on the whole development process and failure of the original aircraft myself. As for the lasers, just ditch the M16A4L - mounting an experimental laser turret on an existing tank chassis is one thing, but you would not use the template of an existing bullet-based firearm to make a laser rifle. Make it a whole new weapon, maybe with some tacticool 'merica style project name like the Compact Laser Assault Weapon, or CLAW, something like that. Finally, it has been more or less established that the US only have two MOBs, the Atlantic-based Spirit of Freedom and the Spirit of Independence stationed in the Pacific. They wouldn't build an entire fleet around several such gargantuan warships.
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31 Aug 2014, 13:00
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Wasteland Abysswalker Group: Members Posts: 417 Joined: 21 July 2014 From: Brazil Member No.: 10551 I... Will... KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILL... |
Darky does raise some valid points in that some of these explanations seem overly complicated and detailed. I'm actually not too fond of dealing with the Aurora in fictions until we actually re-implement and re-introduce it officially, since I would prefer to present an official take on the whole development process and failure of the original aircraft myself. As for the lasers, just ditch the M16A4L - mounting an experimental laser turret on an existing tank chassis is one thing, but you would not use the template of an existing bullet-based firearm to make a laser rifle. Make it a whole new weapon, maybe with some tacticool 'merica style project name like the Compact Laser Assault Weapon, or CLAW, something like that. Finally, it has been more or less established that the US only have two MOBs, the Atlantic-based Spirit of Freedom and the Spirit of Independence stationed in the Pacific. They wouldn't build an entire fleet around several such gargantuan warships. ok then Removed the Auroras and placed them in my Post 2.0 release Edited the rifle to be called as CLAW Laser Assault Rifle and Made the USS Franklin Delano Roosevelt as a Aircraft Carrier -------------------- |
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31 Aug 2014, 15:28
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Group: Dev. Team Posts: 838 Joined: 7 June 2009 From: Southeastern USA Member No.: 47 |
Darky does raise some valid points in that some of these explanations seem overly complicated and detailed. I'm actually not too fond of dealing with the Aurora in fictions until we actually re-implement and re-introduce it officially, since I would prefer to present an official take on the whole development process and failure of the original aircraft myself. As for the lasers, just ditch the M16A4L - mounting an experimental laser turret on an existing tank chassis is one thing, but you would not use the template of an existing bullet-based firearm to make a laser rifle. Make it a whole new weapon, maybe with some tacticool 'merica style project name like the Compact Laser Assault Weapon, or CLAW, something like that. Finally, it has been more or less established that the US only have two MOBs, the Atlantic-based Spirit of Freedom and the Spirit of Independence stationed in the Pacific. They wouldn't build an entire fleet around several such gargantuan warships. I have been thinking of the laser weapons from Zero Hour as of late, as I'm including stuff on the laser tanks in my writeup of US tanks in ROTR. I earlier covered laser weapons mounted on aircraft (the Laser Comanche and Laser Stealth Fighter) in the aircraft part, but I may revisit laser weapons entirely for a more detailed view. I had the idea the laser rifle used by the Laser Ranger and Laser Burton was a laser rifle upper receiver mounted on a M4/M16 lower receiver for parts commonality (as indicated in the Laser Ranger cameo). So,you'd have the stock and trigger assembly of an M16 but otherwise the gun itself would be completely different. On a related note, US law considers the lower receiver of an AR-15 type firearm to be the actual firearm, so you could technically say that this laser rifle is an M16 Of course, in reality it's an entirely different weapon, and the US military would consider it such. I also included a detailed write up on the Aurora in the "Aviation Monthly" thread too if folks want to check it out. I thought it was some of my better work. -------------------- "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."-- George S. Patton
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1 Sep 2014, 4:43
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Group: Members Posts: 381 Joined: 24 March 2013 From: Wyoming, Michigan, USA Member No.: 9872 'Ex'-American Tanker figthing for the ECA |
Just some stuff to point out right now their may be more to point out in the morning.
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1 Sep 2014, 4:46
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Group: Members Posts: 381 Joined: 24 March 2013 From: Wyoming, Michigan, USA Member No.: 9872 'Ex'-American Tanker figthing for the ECA |
I also included a detailed write up on the Aurora in the "Aviation Monthly" thread too if folks want to check it out. I thought it was some of my better work. I can't find it can you post a link here or pm so I can read it, please? -------------------- The Devil Brigade Commander/Commander of NATO Forces
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1 Sep 2014, 7:52
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Wasteland Abysswalker Group: Members Posts: 417 Joined: 21 July 2014 From: Brazil Member No.: 10551 I... Will... KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILL... |
Just some stuff to point out right now their may be more to point out in the morning.
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1 Sep 2014, 7:57
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Group: Project Leader Posts: 5870 Joined: 2 June 2009 Member No.: 10 |
Let me go over these as well, since some of them might not be necessary or have simple explanations that you could base your story on:
EMP Patriot Missile: Could have been an ill-conceived joint project with the Chinese (EMP experts in this setting) during the time when America and China were teamed up against the GLA, but the project was terminated during the 'China scare' period after the war on the basis that it wouldn't be reasonable to develop, let alone share a weapon system with your projected future enemy. Hellfire Drone: Could still be in limited use outside the official USA tech tree. Or it was further evaluated and turned out to be a bit shit, either way, you could work with this one. King Raptor: Reserved for homeland defence and operations in the American theatre due to massive price tag. Combat Chinook: Chinook fleet being retired due to the introduction of Ospreys and Starlifters. Emperor Overlord: Officially designated as the ZTZ-200G, therefore a modified model of the original Overlord. Its upgrades and improvements have become a default feature of all current generation Overlords which technically makes them the ZTZ-200A1. Assault Crawler: Modified version of the Troop Crawler, will make a return for General Chen. I imagine it's the favourite vehicle of the PLA Marine Corps. Assault Helix: Modified version of the standard Helix. Doesn't seem necessary to explain this one to be honest. The Helix itself will also return for General Chen. Super Lotus/Super Hacker: Requires no explanation. These are simply the most experienced Hackers and Black Lotus operatives which don't require their own distinction. Attack Outpost/Fortified Bunker: Same deal as with the Assault Helix. Advanced Nuclear Reactor: Again, the difference is too marginal, making an explanation for their 'disappearance' superfluous. I would imagine the current reactors -are- more advanced than their Gens/ZH counterparts in-lore by default. Nuclear MiG: MiGs are still nuclear capable, but they're no longer used in that role in-game, which does not mean that the plane somehow lost its ability to carry micro nukes in-lore. Minigunner: The render description of the Minigun Team refers to these guys, you could use that as a starting point for your explanation or more detailed information on the weapon itself. ECM Tank: Old model which evolved into the current ECM Tank we have in game. Toxin Rebel/Toxin Tunnel: After the death of Dr. Thrax, the remnant GLA realised that it's kind of a dumb idea to put toxins on absolutely EVERYTHING and swapped their herbicide sprayers for proper assault rifles again. Anthrax Gamma: Formula lost with the death of Dr. Thrax. Some specimen got recovered by the US for study. Kell's IED: Seeing how it's officially established that he lost his vehicle sniping ability (along with half a hand) due to a faulty fuse, I imagine Kell flat-out refuses to work with IEDs at this point. Advanced Demo Trap: Simply a bigger barrel with more explosives. Needs no explanation. Drone Policies: Too vague, no idea what that was supposed to be to begin with. Scud Launcher: Will be re-added in 2.0 for Ibrahiim. I imagine this is mainly by virtue of the fact that the missiles have become rare. Also, it's been established that the GLA actually uses ANY Scud-family missile they can get their hands on, including North Korean and Iranian derivatives. Aurora Bombers: Wait for official explanation. Tomahawk Storm/US ICBM Silo: They -can- exist in-story, but they're simply not a part of the US tech-tree in-game. The biggest nuclear-capable ICBM in the US arsenal is called the Peacemaker missile and it would only be used in the event of an all-out nuclear apocalypse as imagined during the Cold War. |
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1 Sep 2014, 8:22
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Anthrax Gamma: Formula lost with the death of Dr. Thrax. Some specimen got recovered by the US for study. Tomahawk Storm/US ICBM Silo: They -can- exist in-story, but they're simply not a part of the US tech-tree in-game. The biggest nuclear-capable ICBM in the US arsenal is called the Peacemaker missile and it would only be used in the event of an all-out nuclear apocalypse as imagined during the Cold War. Was that what the rebels were trying to get when they infiltrated the west coast? I've never heard of the Peacemaker. Was it mentioned in the lore or is it a real thing? -------------------- |
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