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Commanderkaleb
post 23 Mar 2017, 18:50
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Anyone intrested in receiving donations via giftcard or your choice of method for helping me out...please let me ready when ever you guys...i appreciate all the feedback n hope im not being too annoying with this, which i already know i am thanks.
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post 23 Mar 2017, 20:14
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Since the base game belongs to EA, all rights are still reserved to them. It is internationnally illegal to get paid to exploit its content for money.

One of the conditions to be able to mod it is to do it for free. We don't want ANY annoyment with EA's lawyers, so nobody with 2 working braincells will accept a single cent to do a mod.


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post 23 Mar 2017, 20:27
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Donations for time! Not modd! Does that work?
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post 23 Mar 2017, 20:31
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Listen, I will quote the law:

A work contract is defined by 3 elements:
- A task to do
- Money
- Boss-employee link

Deadlines and other details are secondary. Now, in your case:
- A task to do: YES, you have a precise task in mind, a particular set of changes you detailed in another topic
- Money: YES, even if it is via chickens that you send via mail, it's a payment
- Boss-employee link: YES, since YOU decide ALL the elements your "employee" has to implement

So YES, this is ILLEGAL. Get over it

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post 23 Mar 2017, 20:57
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So i basically have to get legal permission from ea sport. On it.
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post 23 Mar 2017, 20:58
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Not from EA sports. From EA games, EA sports is a completely different branch.


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post 23 Mar 2017, 21:11
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Thanks a lot, ill see what i can work up i appreciate your time.
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post 23 Mar 2017, 22:55
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Actually, Donation payments for someones work through indirect means and/or gift cards is completely legal.
Donations for time are legal and SWR operates a system like that already.


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post 23 Mar 2017, 23:24
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Only if there is no employer-employee relationship, which there would be in this case. Declaring freelance work payments as donations is tax fraud in many countries, and by extension, means it's a breach of the Terms and Conditions.


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If it just a general donation to the person/studio then it will be fine.


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post 24 Mar 2017, 0:28
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I want what rikerzzz said, i dont want an employee employer relationship, ill just hit what should be there 😉, and the modderbgoes from there, donation only for time not modd and pretty sure ea is not gone send gustapo do anyones house over giftcards,donations for freelance.
Also called ea left a message told them i wanted to pay them to be able to pay someone will see it that works..
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post 24 Mar 2017, 4:11
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This again...

Paying someone to mod ZH imo is not illegal, because your paying for the modders time and skills, and not the assets of the game itself. Furthermore, the mod itself is only for private use, and is not being sold for profit.

I wanted to say this in the previous thread, but it got locked so I'm posting it here.

Paying someone to mod is no different from art commissions, or simply paying your buddy for a little work. It will only ever become a problem if someone decides to modify and then sell any of the EA assets which is not the case.

There shouldn't be any annoyance from EA, and I think all of the concerns raised so far is that of paranoia. Just chill out guys, you're making things bigger than it needs to be.

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post 24 Mar 2017, 4:15
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No offense, but you don't really need to pay for this do you? It's just a few lines of code after all.

Not saying what you devs do is cheap, I respect you. It does require a lot of patience to design something like ROTR. Keep up the good work btw.

The last time i checked, your requests were mostly about giving extra weapons to stuff. I do that quite often. Maybe i can help with that

+as of now, you can only allocate a maximum of 3 types of weapons to a unit. So the apache idea isn't really gonna work out.

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QUOTE (Jet02 @ 24 Mar 2017, 11:15) *
No offense, but you don't really need to pay for this do you? It's just a few lines of code after all.


People are free to waste their money anyway they want. Also, modding is a lot more than "editing a few lines of code".


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QUOTE (Zeke @ 24 Mar 2017, 11:19) *
People are free to waste their money anyway they want. Also, modding is a lot more than "editing a few lines of code".


But don't you think 500 bucks for a mod extension is a bit too much? I could buy an ak-47 for 500 bucks.

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post 24 Mar 2017, 4:44
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QUOTE (Jet02 @ 24 Mar 2017, 11:28) *
But don't you think 500 bucks for a mod extension is a bit too much? I could buy an ak-47 for 500 bucks.


Better question, why would someone complain about getting too much money? Isn't your goal to earn as much as possible?


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post 24 Mar 2017, 4:47
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THANK YOU ZEKE!!!and jet, i only figured out how to change simple things like amount of payload, thats easy just change the number lol. As coding new weapons i tried giving the the sokul ant air missles and failed at that pretty sure if i sat there all day long and just messed with it i might figure something out but i rather donate to someone with more skills than me at this and anyhow i dont have all day to do that (work,wife,kid)so a donation is the way to go for me.....again thank you eveyone for your feedback. Also inwould like to publicly apoligize to rikerzzz , it was my biddys bday n i had just a lil bit too much to drink i know its not an excuse for my actions but an explanations, soni am sorry hope my apoligie is accepted.
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post 24 Mar 2017, 7:47
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Better question, why would someone complain about getting too much money? Isn't your goal to earn as much as possible?


No, my goal is SCIENCE

As for the sokol aa missiles, there are 2 ways you can do this.

1. create a new entry in weapon.ini.

I'm too lazy to do that so i'll just simply create a copy of berkut missiles instead.

;------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Weapon RandomCheapCopyOfBerkutMissileWeapon
PrimaryDamage = 150.0
PrimaryDamageRadius = 5.0
ScatterRadiusVsInfantry = 10.0 ;When this weapon is used against infantry, it can randomly miss by as much as this distance.
AttackRange = 350
MinimumAttackRange = 100.0
AcceptableAimDelta = 15
DamageType = JET_MISSILES
DeathType = EXPLODED
WeaponSpeed = 1000
ProjectileObject = BerkutJetMissile
ProjectileExhaust = SheridanMissileExhaust
VeterancyProjectileExhaust = HEROIC HeroicSheridanMissileExhaust
FireFX = FX_BerkutJetMissileWeapon
ProjectileDetonationFX = WeaponFX_JetMissileDetonation
RadiusDamageAffects = ALLIES ENEMIES NEUTRALS NOT_SIMILAR
DelayBetweenShots = 33
ClipSize = 2
ClipReloadTime = 3000
AutoReloadsClip = RETURN_TO_BASE
ProjectileCollidesWith = STRUCTURES
AntiAirborneVehicle = Yes
AntiAirborneInfantry = No
AntiGround = No
ShowsAmmoPips = Yes
End

Feel free to change the stats however you wish.

2. Enter the directory for the sokol itself

IIRC there are 3 things you have to change when edting unit loadouts-

i. conditionstates

DefaultConditionState
Model = RVPakFa
HideSubObject = BurnerFX01 BurnerFX02
WeaponMuzzleFlash = PRIMARY MuzzleFX }
WeaponFireFXBone = PRIMARY Muzzle } for any weapon that involves firing something out a barrel
WeaponLaunchBone = PRIMARY Muzzle }
WeaponLaunchBone = SECONDARY WeaponA ]
WeaponFireFXBone = SECONDARY WeaponA ] for rocket/missile based weapons only methinks
WeaponLaunchBone = TERTIARY WeaponA ]
WeaponFireFXBone = TERTIARY WeaponA ]
End

Most units have more than one of these. You'll need to change all of them



ii. Weaponsets

WeaponSet
Conditions = None
Weapon = PRIMARY PakFaCannonWeapon
Weapon = SECONDARY PakFaAntiTankMissilePrimaryWeapon
Weapon = TERTIARY PakFaAntiTankMissileSecondaryWeapon
End

WeaponSet
Conditions = HERO
Weapon = PRIMARY PakFaCannonHeroicWeapon
Weapon = SECONDARY PakFaAntiTankMissilePrimaryHeroicWeapon
Weapon = TERTIARY PakFaAntiTankMissileSecondaryHeroicWeapon
End

do note that my sokols are equipped with an extra autocannon. i like attaching cannons to everything.

iii. this

Behavior = JetAIUpdate ModuleTag_09
Turret
TurretTurnRate = 0
ControlledWeaponSlots = PRIMARY
End
AltTurret
TurretTurnRate = 0
ControlledWeaponSlots = SECONDARY TERTIARY
End

In this case, what you probably want to do is to

replace this

WeaponMuzzleFlash = PRIMARY MuzzleFX
WeaponFireFXBone = PRIMARY Muzzle
WeaponLaunchBone = PRIMARY Muzzle
WeaponLaunchBone = SECONDARY WeaponA
WeaponFireFXBone = SECONDARY WeaponA
WeaponLaunchBone = TERTIARY WeaponA
WeaponFireFXBone = TERTIARY WeaponA

with this

WeaponLaunchBone = PRIMARY WeaponA
WeaponFireFXBone = PRIMARY WeaponA
WeaponLaunchBone = SECONDARY WeaponA
WeaponFireFXBone = SECONDARY WeaponA
WeaponLaunchBone = TERTIARY WeaponB
WeaponFireFXBone = TERTIARY WeaponB

this

Weapon = PRIMARY PakFaAntiTankMissilePrimaryWeapon
Weapon = SECONDARY PakFaAntiTankMissileSecondaryWeapon

with this

Weapon = PRIMARY PakFaAntiTankMissilePrimaryWeapon
Weapon = SECONDARY PakFaAntiTankMissileSecondaryWeapon
Weapon = TERTIARY RandomCheapCopyOfBerkutMissileWeapon

do so for the heroic weaponset as well

and turn this

Behavior = JetAIUpdate ModuleTag_09
Turret
TurretTurnRate = 0
ControlledWeaponSlots = PRIMARY
End
AltTurret
TurretTurnRate = 0
ControlledWeaponSlots = SECONDARY
End

into this

Behavior = JetAIUpdate ModuleTag_09
Turret
TurretTurnRate = 0
ControlledWeaponSlots = PRIMARY SECONDARY
End
AltTurret
TurretTurnRate = 0
ControlledWeaponSlots = TERTIARY
End

2. simply set the original sokol missiles to AntiAirborneVehicle = Yes

either way, expect horrible balance and don't pvp. you'll get suspended.

correct me if i'm wrong.

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post 24 Mar 2017, 15:56
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Did i confuse you lol?
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