ECA and it's not OP Options

[HeDD]

I've play with one guy(i dont know him) vs his ECA as Russia. And i have 2 quetions:

1)What i did wrong? I could not take 2 natural supply's in the middle and oils at start and in middle of the game(mines,tigers, fast AT guns, I chose the wrong direction to attack in the middle of the game). And in late as always, mass mines, mass howitzers and of course mass mortars. How i will counter that even with good 2 ECO?

2)Ok, you tell me where ive made mistake and i agreed with that, then tell me, what will do china with that + nerve gas+pandora?

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[Zion]

2)Ok, you tell me where ive made mistake and i agreed with that, then tell me, what will do china with that + nerve gas+pandora?

I couldn't watch the rep, its broken for me.

China can't win vs a good eca player at all.
on normal maps

only on large maps like dust devil, keep off the grass, where you need full map control and spam t2 eco early

ive played hundreds of games, first off eca rush wins 99% of the time, and if eca doesn't rush, you have a chance before t2 with dragon tanks/migs/battle masters or the nuke strat
thats it.
and if you fail to take out eca at t1.. eca will be rank 3 and bulldog turrets destroy everything made in china.
and t2+ china doesn't stand a chance because howey/claymore spam counters china hard,..... pandora is gg 100%

russia doesn't have issues with eca, if it keeps aggression

This post has been edited by Zion: 28 Jul 2016, 19:14

[HeDD]

There was so many mortar pits, even sentinels died from their hands. And mstas cant counter that effectivle because a lot mortar HP.
Maybe i should try more air, but there was Felins, and tigers.
Maybe i should try to keep up agression in the late game, in the replay ive see that my opponent dont have much money, but in game i've see T2 eco, so i dont know about that fact.

I think the main problem of the ECA is that now it can build defence that can counter any atack without or minimal losses. With Russia. I dont talk about china.
Mortars and mines are death for china.

And that was some kind of new player, he dont build 2 ECO too much, he dont build claymors.

But even then i decided to go in topol spam. As the last argument. And only when i see rank 5 on my opponent. I clearly knew that he will go in pandora.

[Neo]

Basically rush ECA in early as russia...
Prevent enemy from reaching to T2...
ECA is weak in the early game.
Use this as advantage...

[Zion]

i dont think its bad that eca is OP late game, but recently we have had new players show up and play eca aggressively with gt rushes, and field promotion/wf start, and this pretty much wins usa and china every time. because its defenses are super strong and build fast, so a doser to your expansion supply denies 2nd supply, and gg. its worse for usa than china, i think china can last longer in the game, but eventually a good eca player will take the whole map, as you struggle to get rid of the base that eca builds on your 2nd supply

This post has been edited by Zion: 28 Jul 2016, 20:22

[Zion]

Basically rush ECA in early as russia...
Prevent enemy from reaching to T2...
ECA is weak in the early game.
Use this as advantage...

lol neo.. post a replay of you rushing eca, and then ill believe you

[Neo]

i dont think its bad that eca is OP late game, but recently we have had new players show up and play eca aggressively with gt rushes, and field promotion/wf start, and this pretty much wins usa and china every time. because its defenses are super strong and build fast, so a doser to your expansion supply denies 2nd supply, and gg. its worse for usa than china, u think china can last longer in the game, but eventually a good eca player will take the whole map, as you struggle to get rid of the base that eca builds on your 2nd supply

Not really...
You can easily destroy ECA dozer with anti-tank infantry at the start...
After that...
You know what you are doing

[Zion]

Not really...
You can easily destroy ECA dozer with anti-tank infantry at the start...
After that...
You know what you are doing

ok thanks for tip, we should play sometime so u can show me

[Neo]

lol neo.. post a replay of you rushing eca, and then ill believe you

I had one match that i did that but i think that's gone
In that match me and Drebel won because i rushed LUNA's ECA at beggining...

[Neo]

ok thanks for tip, we should play sometime so u can show me

Sure...
But...
Don't do that tip everytime you play against an ECA player...
Unless you know your enemy...
Use that on user mostly
And if you see a player that has u symbol...
That's user...
Use this tactic on him...
And don't forget to scout

This post has been edited by Neo: 28 Jul 2016, 20:29

[Skitt]

the answers simple.
just out eco the eca.
easy to do with usa, russia, china and with gla via buggies/grads and smart use of them.

if you get outeco'd by an eca then you have done something wrong.
if you get rushed by the eca, you have done something wrong and probably not scouted the dozers


also dell the replay is broken.

This post has been edited by Skitt: 28 Jul 2016, 21:17

[HeDD]

the answers simple.
just out eco the eca.
easy to do with usa, russia, china and with gla via buggies/grads and smart use of them.

if you get outeco'd by an eca then you have done something wrong.
if you get rushed by the eca, you have done something wrong and probably not scouted the dozers

Simple Simple Simple

How i will do it on a practice?

He already has bunker on expansions, i cant break them. When i have buratinos, that can survive under guard tower, he has AT guns.

Simple.

Say to me, what build i need vs this. Tell me timings of all stuff out WF. If its so simple.

This post has been edited by Dell: 28 Jul 2016, 21:21

[Zion]

if you get rushed by the eca, you have done something wrong and probably not scouted the dozers

ye not that simple, you can scout dosers all u want, u will still get rushed by eca that knows how to rush

[Neo]

Simple Simple Simple

How i will do it on a practice?

He already has bunker on expansions, i cant break them. When i have buratinos, that can survive under guard tower, he has AT guns.

Simple.

Say to me, what build i need vs this. Tell me timings of all stuff out WF. If its so simple.

Uh... Dell ?
Just rush ECA at the beggining...
And don't use kodiaks to rush ECA...
Use bmps...
Those are cheaper than kodiaks...
And also bmps rock after assault armaments upgrade.
Prevent ECA from reaching T2 until you build industrial plant...
Then spam T2 stuff of russia along with mtps and bmps filled with conscripts with goggles upgrade...
Then attack ECA before it builds a big defense line.

[Mizo]

You can easily outeco ECA and just win them by pure artillery spam + tanks.
Works well with Russia and China. For USA, it needs to be abit more tactical, as in trying to put ECA at a major disadvantage in mid game since you have both ground and air superiority. GLA does that too with buggy harassment which cant be countered till tier 2.

Thing with ECA is, you have to box them in. If you can't do that properly then you're gonna be in the same problem as having Russia getting their secondary Economy developed and running. It's just too powerful.

Late game ECA though, it's a mixed-bag. It's strong, but is the most one that is limited to map size. Their secondary economy is garbage with only 48% repayment rate ( which is intentional) so you could also take advantage of that, and just purely outeco them.

Apply pressure on them early game, and let your presence be known. You don't even need to finish them off, just let ECA burn their cash in defenses while you develop economy and then bruteforce your way in. For Dozer rush, always watch out for your secondary supplies, as it is the most "favorite" rush places.

[HeDD]

You can easily outeco ECA and just win them by pure artillery spam + tanks.
Works well with Russia and China. For USA, it needs to be abit more tactical, as in trying to put ECA at a major disadvantage in mid game since you have both ground and air superiority. GLA does that too with buggy harassment which cant be countered till tier 2.

Thing with ECA is, you have to box them in. If you can't do that properly then you're gonna be in the same problem as having Russia getting their secondary Economy developed and running. It's just too powerful.

Late game ECA though, it's a mixed-bag. It's strong, but is the most one that is limited to map size. Their secondary economy is garbage with only 48% repayment rate ( which is intentional) so you could also take advantage of that, and just purely outeco them.

Apply pressure on them early game, and let your presence be known. You don't even need to finish them off, just let ECA burn their cash in defenses while you develop economy and then bruteforce your way in. For Dozer rush, always watch out for your secondary supplies, as it is the most "favorite" rush places.

Ok. maybe. And what will do china with that? With pandora? With With nerve gas?

[Skitt]

Ok. maybe. And what will do china with that? With pandora? With With nerve gas?

plenty of eco
suicide migs at the pandora
large unit blobs and dont do noob mistake of keeping all your units as one big blob in late game, have more than one army.

This post has been edited by Skitt: 29 Jul 2016, 7:48

[Mizo]

If you dont have sufficent eco by the time Pandora comes, then its gg.

You're gonna have a fuckton of losses, but hey, atleat their offensive capabilities isn't off the roof like with Manticore and Venoms, so you dont really have to worry about their counter attacks, but rather breaking through.

This post has been edited by Mizo: 29 Jul 2016, 11:00

[Hanfield]

If it reaches Pandora stage, you have to start spamming conscripts and MTP's in order to man the vehicles and the eco that will be gassed and recoup your losses and delaying the arrival of the Pandora itself as often as possible – one shot can cancel your entire assault and force you to manually recrew the vehicles.

[Marakar]

Best way to attack a Pandora Stage ECA is going in with multiple attack groups. Pandora + Neutron Bomb can only hit so much (using Grand Slam completely removes all the momentum you can attempt to shift as you need to wait another however long to send it to kill Russia's warfactories and halt the production), and Golems are your best choice for a main battle tank against Pandora since they are immune to nerve gas and also pack shtora to bypass Gun Turrets and Mortar Pits temporarily. More importantly, you need to reach the stage where your economy is pretty much set for a VLate game, because Pandora ECA can be overwhelmed very easily by Russia once you establish an economy that lets you spam from 6+ Warfactories.

This post has been edited by Marakar: 29 Jul 2016, 14:22

[chemisthypnos]

ECA dozer rush is VERY hard to counter as Russia. ECA can easily build turrets and occupy your supply docks and force you into a GG.

[Neo]

ECA dozer rush is VERY hard to counter as Russia. ECA can easily build turrets and occupy your supply docks and force you into a GG.

Not really just build barracks with the first dozer...
I always do that against a player does defence rush.

[Neo]

I can even tell a match that i won by doing that...
So that match was 3v3...
I was against user-MSI...
So i scouted...
And before seeing that i already had anti-tank infantries...
And destroyed that dozer...
Then user tried to send another dozer from another way...
That dozer was killed by my infantry division (xD)...
After that i build an army strong enough to destroy ECA...
And i rushed and forced user to surrender...
So user surrendered...
And i destroyed the remaining of user' base...
Then my team won on that match.
And also i was as russia in that one...

This post has been edited by Neo: 29 Jul 2016, 18:35

[MajaNachi:3]

or 1 BMP....

[Neo]

or 1 BMP....

Dude i am talking very early defence rush...
Even before you build your war factory...
RPG conscripts costs cheaper than BMPs...