What happened to the Zero Hour Equipment? Options

[BlackRangerXIII]

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This post has been edited by BlackRangerXIII: 25 Sep 2014, 3:57

[MARS]

Interesting take on the subject, but I don't think they would designate a laser-variant of an existing vehicle by adding a 1 to the vehicle's original designation. Rather, I would identify the Laser Crusader as the M4L or M4A1L and the Laser Paladin as the M1L or M1A4L instead.

[BlackRangerXIII]

Interesting take on the subject, but I don't think they would designate a laser-variant of an existing vehicle by adding a 1 to the vehicle's original designation. Rather, I would identify the Laser Crusader as the M4L or M4A1L and the Laser Paladin as the M1L or M1A4L instead.

Tried but I fail at designation of things
Fixed it

[BlackRangerXIII]

To MARS:
If I can get this thing to a good point, will it be considered as Lore Canon, Semi-canon, or non-canon?

[MARS]

I can never guarantee that before I've actually been able to read and possibly revise the full piece.

[BlackRangerXIII]

I can never guarantee that before I've actually been able to read and possibly revise the full piece.

I see
Maybe I'll continue the rest when I'm more inspired

[Admiral*Alex]

Could you talk about the EMP Patriot, the Alpha Aurora, and the Hellfire drone?

[BlackRangerXIII]

Could you talk about the EMP Patriot, the Alpha Aurora, and the Hellfire drone?

The EMP Patriot will be the next one
the Alpha Aurora will be with the Cut Hypersonic Aurora (Aurora Beta) and the VZH Aurora (Aurora Charlie)
as for the Hellfire Drone, it will be one of the last of the US equipment to receive a backstory

[MARS]

Personnally, I've always operated under the assumption that the 'Alpha' Aurora is a marginally different model of the Aurora (maybe just a different series of prototypes seeing how the entire plane has already been established as highly experimental) whose main distinction is the use of a different weapon which appears to be a super-compact fuel air explosive.

[BlackRangerXIII]

Personnally, I've always operated under the assumption that the 'Alpha' Aurora is a marginally different model of the Aurora (maybe just a different series of prototypes seeing how the entire plane has already been established as highly experimental) whose main distinction is the use of a different weapon which appears to be a super-compact fuel air explosive.

The Aurora Alpha is actually the first of the aurora prototypes and it was designed as a battlefield replacement for the B-52 Fuel Air Bomb tactic by giving it a Supersonic speed with the powerful firepower of the Fuel air bomb. Also Personally is with one N.

I'm also visibly tired so until tomorrow

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[Darky]

The Aurora Alpha is actually the first of the aurora prototypes and it was designed as a battlefield replacement for the B-52 Fuel Air Bomb tactic by giving it a Supersonic speed with the powerful firepower of the Fuel air bomb. Also Personally is with one N.

I'm also visibly tired so until tomorrow

Geez it's just an Aurora with a different bomb it doesn't need another designation. USA stopped producing Daisy Cutters in real life, and they simply ran out of the smaller fuel air bombs because they stopped producing them like they did the bigger ones after the post-war budget cuts.

And prototypes don't go to war.

This post has been edited by DarkyPwnz: 31 Aug 2014, 0:20

[BlackRangerXIII]

Geez it's just an Aurora with a different bomb it doesn't need another designation. USA stopped producing Daisy Cutters in real life, and they simply ran out of the smaller fuel air bombs because they stopped producing them like they did the bigger ones after the post-war budget cuts.

And prototypes don't go to war.

Read Griffon's Profile:
"Despite his indisputable expertise, they believed that Griffon's promotion was largely the result of the "Aurora scandal", which ruined the careers of several aspiring Air Force officers who had essentially blown the lid off a black R&D project that had been rumored to exist since the early 1980s. As a result, the hyper-sonic FB-40 Aurora aircraft was pushed into service against the GLA, only to suffer humiliating losses due to its overly intricate design. Heads rolled and Griffon was expected to be less of a bone-headed maverick than his predecessors; a task that he fulfilled to the best of his abilities by salvaging the remains of the now defunct Aurora programme into something worthwhile and protecting the Air Force from the sharp budget cuts of the post-war recession."

I plan to use this as a base for the Aurora Backstory
And sometimes, Prototypes go to war
and please don't mention real life to a game

[BlackRangerXIII]

Updated with two Aurora Stories, some additional info and the List of what I'm planning to write

This post has been edited by BlackRangerXIII: 31 Aug 2014, 11:36

[Darky]

Read Griffon's Profile:
"Despite his indisputable expertise, they believed that Griffon's promotion was largely the result of the "Aurora scandal", which ruined the careers of several aspiring Air Force officers who had essentially blown the lid off a black R&D project that had been rumored to exist since the early 1980s. As a result, the hyper-sonic FB-40 Aurora aircraft was pushed into service against the GLA, only to suffer humiliating losses due to its overly intricate design. Heads rolled and Griffon was expected to be less of a bone-headed maverick than his predecessors; a task that he fulfilled to the best of his abilities by salvaging the remains of the now defunct Aurora programme into something worthwhile and protecting the Air Force from the sharp budget cuts of the post-war recession."

I plan to use this as a base for the Aurora Backstory
And sometimes, Prototypes go to war
and please don't mention real life to a game

The FB-40 designation clearly states that it's ready for service, and not a prototype. It was also mass produced. It was simply mass produced earlier without the additional features or testing they intended for it.

As for real life, that was just saying how they could have simply ran out of the bombs like they did in real life after they stopped producing. Your explanation is too complicated, they simply ran out of fuel air bombs as they stopped producing them. RotR's USA doesn't get Fuel Air Bombs and leveling city blocks doesn't fit USA's doctrine of precision removal.

Your Hypersonic Aurora explanation is also garbage because you don't spend billions of dollars on a project not knowing whether or not hypersonic flight would tear the craft apart, there are hundreds of simulations and other tests done for that. Call it a mechanical failure or something, or an imperfection in the surface which generated extreme drag and heat, deforming the surface, eventually leading to catastrophic structure failure.

This post has been edited by DarkyPwnz: 31 Aug 2014, 11:56

[BlackRangerXIII]

The FB-40 designation clearly states that it's ready for service, and not a prototype. It was also mass produced. It was simply mass produced earlier without the additional features or testing they intended for it.

As for real life, that was just saying how they could have simply ran out of the bombs like they did in real life after they stopped producing. Your explanation is too complicated, they simply ran out of fuel air bombs as they stopped producing them. RotR's USA doesn't get Fuel Air Bombs and leveling city blocks doesn't fit USA's doctrine of precision removal.

Your Hypersonic Aurora explanation is also garbage because you don't spend billions of dollars on a project not knowing whether or not hypersonic flight would tear the craft apart, there are hundreds of simulations and other tests done for that. Call it a mechanical failure or something, or an imperfection in the surface which generated extreme drag and heat, deforming the surface, eventually leading to catastrophic structure failure.

Let's wait for MARS Before any comments
Also Why won't you help me instead of complaining?

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[Darky]

Let's wait for MARS Before any comments
Also Why won't you help me instead of complaining?

I am helping you, it's you who sees it as complaining. I told you why your ideas didn't make much sense and I also explained how they could be improved. What more do you want?

[BlackRangerXIII]

I am helping you, it's you who sees it as complaining. I told you why your ideas didn't make much sense and I also explained how they could be improved. What more do you want?

HOW!
SHOW ME HOW THEN!

Improving is HELPING THE OTHER not MAKE SUGESTION
Teamwork is Important

but don't worry
I'm verifying everything

This post has been edited by BlackRangerXIII: 31 Aug 2014, 12:53

[MARS]

Darky does raise some valid points in that some of these explanations seem overly complicated and detailed. I'm actually not too fond of dealing with the Aurora in fictions until we actually re-implement and re-introduce it officially, since I would prefer to present an official take on the whole development process and failure of the original aircraft myself. As for the lasers, just ditch the M16A4L - mounting an experimental laser turret on an existing tank chassis is one thing, but you would not use the template of an existing bullet-based firearm to make a laser rifle. Make it a whole new weapon, maybe with some tacticool 'merica style project name like the Compact Laser Assault Weapon, or CLAW, something like that. Finally, it has been more or less established that the US only have two MOBs, the Atlantic-based Spirit of Freedom and the Spirit of Independence stationed in the Pacific. They wouldn't build an entire fleet around several such gargantuan warships.

[BlackRangerXIII]

Darky does raise some valid points in that some of these explanations seem overly complicated and detailed. I'm actually not too fond of dealing with the Aurora in fictions until we actually re-implement and re-introduce it officially, since I would prefer to present an official take on the whole development process and failure of the original aircraft myself. As for the lasers, just ditch the M16A4L - mounting an experimental laser turret on an existing tank chassis is one thing, but you would not use the template of an existing bullet-based firearm to make a laser rifle. Make it a whole new weapon, maybe with some tacticool 'merica style project name like the Compact Laser Assault Weapon, or CLAW, something like that. Finally, it has been more or less established that the US only have two MOBs, the Atlantic-based Spirit of Freedom and the Spirit of Independence stationed in the Pacific. They wouldn't build an entire fleet around several such gargantuan warships.

ok then
Removed the Auroras and placed them in my Post 2.0 release
Edited the rifle to be called as CLAW Laser Assault Rifle
and Made the USS Franklin Delano Roosevelt as a Aircraft Carrier

[Cobretti]

Darky does raise some valid points in that some of these explanations seem overly complicated and detailed. I'm actually not too fond of dealing with the Aurora in fictions until we actually re-implement and re-introduce it officially, since I would prefer to present an official take on the whole development process and failure of the original aircraft myself. As for the lasers, just ditch the M16A4L - mounting an experimental laser turret on an existing tank chassis is one thing, but you would not use the template of an existing bullet-based firearm to make a laser rifle. Make it a whole new weapon, maybe with some tacticool 'merica style project name like the Compact Laser Assault Weapon, or CLAW, something like that. Finally, it has been more or less established that the US only have two MOBs, the Atlantic-based Spirit of Freedom and the Spirit of Independence stationed in the Pacific. They wouldn't build an entire fleet around several such gargantuan warships.

I have been thinking of the laser weapons from Zero Hour as of late, as I'm including stuff on the laser tanks in my writeup of US tanks in ROTR. I earlier covered laser weapons mounted on aircraft (the Laser Comanche and Laser Stealth Fighter) in the aircraft part, but I may revisit laser weapons entirely for a more detailed view. I had the idea the laser rifle used by the Laser Ranger and Laser Burton was a laser rifle upper receiver mounted on a M4/M16 lower receiver for parts commonality (as indicated in the Laser Ranger cameo). So,you'd have the stock and trigger assembly of an M16 but otherwise the gun itself would be completely different. On a related note, US law considers the lower receiver of an AR-15 type firearm to be the actual firearm, so you could technically say that this laser rifle is an M16 Of course, in reality it's an entirely different weapon, and the US military would consider it such.

I also included a detailed write up on the Aurora in the "Aviation Monthly" thread too if folks want to check it out. I thought it was some of my better work.

[Admiral*Alex]

Just some stuff to point out right now their may be more to point out in the morning.

• About the Stealth Comanche, last I knew the Comanche in ROTR is going to be the Stealth Comanche in 2.0, so it's not cut.
• Jarmen Kell's IED training could be explained the same way as his de-crew shot. A mis-fired IED training caused him to lose part of his hand thus losing his ablity to de-crew a vehicle.
• Neutron Mines I think removed because the EU said so.
• Anthrax gamma was lossed with Dr.Thrax at the end of the US campaign.
• General Leang was maintained in one of the official updates, something about getting fired I think.
• King raptor was stated that its use was restricted to the defense US mainland and for veteran pilots only on top of teh huge cost to upgrade a F-22B into the F-22X.
• Also can you add to the list the ICBM, Cruise Missie Silo, and teh Tomahawk Storm.
• Scud Launcher is making a come back with one of the GLA generals so like the Aurora, best not to talk about it till 2.0 is out.
• ECM Tank was redesigned to its current 1.802 form ,so unneeded here?

[Admiral*Alex]

I also included a detailed write up on the Aurora in the "Aviation Monthly" thread too if folks want to check it out. I thought it was some of my better work.

I can't find it can you post a link here or pm so I can read it, please?

[BlackRangerXIII]

Just some stuff to point out right now their may be more to point out in the morning.

1. About the Stealth Comanche, last I knew the Comanche in ROTR is going to be the Stealth Comanche in 2.0, so it's not cut.
2. Jarmen Kell's IED training could be explained the same way as his de-crew shot. A mis-fired IED training caused him to lose part of his hand thus losing his ablity to de-crew a vehicle.
3. Neutron Mines I think removed because the EU said so.
4. Anthrax gamma was lossed with Dr.Thrax at the end of the US campaign.
5. General Leang was maintained in one of the official updates, something about getting fired I think.
6. King raptor was stated that its use was restricted to the defense US mainland and for veteran pilots only on top of teh huge cost to upgrade a F-22B into the F-22X.
7. Also can you add to the list the ICBM, Cruise Missie Silo, and teh Tomahawk Storm.
8. Scud Launcher is making a come back with one of the GLA generals so like the Aurora, best not to talk about it till 2.0 is out.
9. ECM Tank was redesigned to its current 1.802 form ,so unneeded here?

1. Where?
2. Oh yeah, Forgot about that
3. ECA has them for instance? oh wait... pandora's Neutron Mine
4. Explaining how would be nice
5. yep removed
6. How then? Explaining it's major deployments, how that the King Raptor got back home would be nice
7. going to, but instead of the ICBM (which conflicts with the Cruise Missile Silo) I'll put the Windmill power plant and how it reappeared as the Scrambler Station. How about it?
8. I've set it to Post 2.0
9. Nope.avi. How in the hell can you explain about the Old ECM Tank that was in service and how it's tech got upgraded?

This post has been edited by BlackRangerXIII: 1 Sep 2014, 7:58

[MARS]

Let me go over these as well, since some of them might not be necessary or have simple explanations that you could base your story on:

EMP Patriot Missile:
Could have been an ill-conceived joint project with the Chinese (EMP experts in this setting) during the time when America and China were teamed up against the GLA, but the project was terminated during the 'China scare' period after the war on the basis that it wouldn't be reasonable to develop, let alone share a weapon system with your projected future enemy.

Hellfire Drone:
Could still be in limited use outside the official USA tech tree. Or it was further evaluated and turned out to be a bit shit, either way, you could work with this one.

King Raptor:
Reserved for homeland defence and operations in the American theatre due to massive price tag.

Combat Chinook:
Chinook fleet being retired due to the introduction of Ospreys and Starlifters.

Emperor Overlord:
Officially designated as the ZTZ-200G, therefore a modified model of the original Overlord. Its upgrades and improvements have become a default feature of all current generation Overlords which technically makes them the ZTZ-200A1.

Assault Crawler:
Modified version of the Troop Crawler, will make a return for General Chen. I imagine it's the favourite vehicle of the PLA Marine Corps.

Assault Helix:
Modified version of the standard Helix. Doesn't seem necessary to explain this one to be honest. The Helix itself will also return for General Chen.

Super Lotus/Super Hacker:
Requires no explanation. These are simply the most experienced Hackers and Black Lotus operatives which don't require their own distinction.

Attack Outpost/Fortified Bunker:
Same deal as with the Assault Helix.

Advanced Nuclear Reactor:
Again, the difference is too marginal, making an explanation for their 'disappearance' superfluous. I would imagine the current reactors -are- more advanced than their Gens/ZH counterparts in-lore by default.

Nuclear MiG:
MiGs are still nuclear capable, but they're no longer used in that role in-game, which does not mean that the plane somehow lost its ability to carry micro nukes in-lore.

Minigunner:
The render description of the Minigun Team refers to these guys, you could use that as a starting point for your explanation or more detailed information on the weapon itself.

ECM Tank:
Old model which evolved into the current ECM Tank we have in game.

Toxin Rebel/Toxin Tunnel:
After the death of Dr. Thrax, the remnant GLA realised that it's kind of a dumb idea to put toxins on absolutely EVERYTHING and swapped their herbicide sprayers for proper assault rifles again.

Anthrax Gamma:
Formula lost with the death of Dr. Thrax. Some specimen got recovered by the US for study.

Kell's IED:
Seeing how it's officially established that he lost his vehicle sniping ability (along with half a hand) due to a faulty fuse, I imagine Kell flat-out refuses to work with IEDs at this point.

Advanced Demo Trap:
Simply a bigger barrel with more explosives. Needs no explanation.

Drone Policies:
Too vague, no idea what that was supposed to be to begin with.

Scud Launcher:
Will be re-added in 2.0 for Ibrahiim. I imagine this is mainly by virtue of the fact that the missiles have become rare. Also, it's been established that the GLA actually uses ANY Scud-family missile they can get their hands on, including North Korean and Iranian derivatives.

Aurora Bombers:
Wait for official explanation.

Tomahawk Storm/US ICBM Silo:
They -can- exist in-story, but they're simply not a part of the US tech-tree in-game. The biggest nuclear-capable ICBM in the US arsenal is called the Peacemaker missile and it would only be used in the event of an all-out nuclear apocalypse as imagined during the Cold War.

[Svea Rike]

Anthrax Gamma:
Formula lost with the death of Dr. Thrax. Some specimen got recovered by the US for study.

Tomahawk Storm/US ICBM Silo:
They -can- exist in-story, but they're simply not a part of the US tech-tree in-game. The biggest nuclear-capable ICBM in the US arsenal is called the Peacemaker missile and it would only be used in the event of an all-out nuclear apocalypse as imagined during the Cold War.

Was that what the rebels were trying to get when they infiltrated the west coast?

I've never heard of the Peacemaker. Was it mentioned in the lore or is it a real thing?