Garena - tunngle questionaire. Options

[Shock]

Little poll to see how bad we all want garena. I for one haven't been too happy with the official networks as a lot of people constanty join but they clog really fast. As said in the hamachi channel topic, having to kick people all the time requires active participation from new players to rejoin all the time even when they can't get any games most of the time. This is really blocking off more community building.

So, here's a garena poll

Garena is an independent VPN network, in which you have to create an account and join preset networks (there is currently no network for Zero Hour, but contra play in the Red Alert 3 network, vietnam room for 225 players). So there really is no network control of your own, its more complicated and it requires an account. However it does solve the number problem and is said to be faster.

edit: and tunngle poll

More like hamachi, 32 players in a free network and free users can also join a 256 user premium network. It is currently in beta status so it is unclear how the features will evolve, making this a little risky. You also have to register an account.

I am especially interested in negative experiences with the other VPN clients.

[NergiZed]

What's garena?

[The_Hunter]

^ i's a VPN for gaming just like Tunngle.

I'v heard many good things of it but never had expeirnce with it myself but i suppose it wuold actualy be good to setup some guides on how to use these VPN's (both Garena and Tunngle)

[GDIZOCOM]

Worth trying .

[Alias]

Definitely worth a try.

[Shock]

Quote from nergized.

Ugh. We have tried many programs, but in the end hamachi is always best. The issue with clients with huge member limits is the the more members present, the slower it gets overall. These issues should be looked into before a community wrecking migration occurs, like the leaf disaster.

Nergized is right, and It will require quite some support from the community before I'd support an official step, to prevent the wrecking as described above.

Also the best way to do such a thing would probably be a tournament requiring the new VPN software. I also prefer to keep it to one 'officially supported' VPN, so if we're going to do garena or tunngle in the future then there will be no more official hamachi networks as that will just clutter the community.

Added a tunngle poll.

[Angel]

Thanks for help, Zhao and Shock, for tryings to popularise garena. Day of creation of this topic will be in the great day of a new epoch: merges of Russian and European community of shockwave.

[Shock]

To all of those who voted no, it doesn't help us at all if you didn't say why.

It also matters to me who said yes or no, and on what arguments.

[eric_hein]

I voted yes for both. I don't have experience trying these pieces of software, but I believe on principle that one large room is better than multiple rooms for the purpose of matchmaking and finding online players. Plus, the issue of idle players clogging up the room in Hamachi goes away. What remains to be seen is whether having many players on the same network causes more lag than usual, or if there are other bugs or shortcomings that would make either of these impractical for community use. If anyone has anything negative to say, please say it, but otherwise I think the best way to make a decision is to try them out!

[Frostyarmy]

Tunngle is really really doggy , but I've played with over 50 players on that Contra Garena network and i have to say it was GREAT , no kicking players , no clogging up space , a entire chat room , almost no internet issues. and still a chatroom to chill at.

[Shock]

Have you played games at that channel? I found the large room is probably pretty good but it was annoying that you had to launch your game through garena itself. That way all the different modes shockwave can launch in, cannot be applied unless you edit the respective files yourself before launching.

I also tried tunngle and it looked allright but definitely a beta it didn't feel stable and the virtual network adapter it created messed up my Hamachi, so I had to uninstall it quite quickly again.

Also the free version adopts 32 players per network, and while that is better than hamachi its not worth the whole hassle of switching VPN clients and not really enough either.

It is game in Contramod 007 in Garena!!!!
The positive: it is convenient, excellent ping with all.
Tunngle beta:
The negative: creation of the network adapter.
I offer room Red Alert - China Net - CNC3 room because a limit of 255 persons.


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[Erik]

So far Hamachi is superior to Garena simply by actually working.

[Shock]

With the above screenshot that statement doesn't really make sense unless you elaborate.

[Stubbjax]

With the above screenshot that statement doesn't really make sense unless you elaborate.

I can get a screenshot like that just by joining RED-WAR1 and a few other Zero Hour networks through Hamachi.

[Shock]

Yeah but you would be in a lot more different networks instead of just one.

And the one vs many networks is the main reason to go to garena.

[Sharpnessism]

imo it would be awesome if all shw players could congregate in one big room instead of many small rooms like hamachi, this would allow the community to grow or at least stabilize, id use either but there would have to be enough support for garena for garena to put cnczh into one of its gaming categories

We made an application the administrator on allocation to us of a room under Contramod 007. Have refused. Probably monetary intention. And we remained in RedAlert3 -> Asean -> Vietnam Room.
For shockwavemod it will be ideal a room in RedAlert3 -> China Net -> CNC3 room because a limit of 255 persons.

[Wi-Ta]

If we are this far i like to ad this

http://www.wippien.com/

Why use Wippien instead of hamachi?
Hamachi is good. But there's not a lot of players online grouped in one Room. I read that free hamachi room supports up to 16 players and premium supports 50 players. Well wippien can support up to 200 players in one room. In addition to that, it auto kicks offline people. I'm sure a lot of people faced the problem of Hamachi Networks being full when there's like 5 players online in it and the rest are offline. In wippien you won't get this problem the room will support 200 ONLINE players. I don't think it's that easy to do this cap of 200 players online at the same time in one room. Sometimes i join hamachi network and it's like ghost network. The network got a lot of offline players only.

Freeware
Open source
200 Player in one Room

[The_Hunter]

Wippien cannot be used in conjuction with Hamachi however.
Tunggle on the other hand can and they even have an official shockwave room allready.

[Casojin]

Garena is a little bit more tricky to play Shockwave (in my opinion) due to game activation process. The game has to be activated inside Garena for the VPN to work. Unlike Shockwave, Contra can leave the mod activated once ZH is off, making it easier to access via Garena. If there is an activate button for Shockwave (which would simply activate the mod and enter the game via Garena), then it would be easier to play via Garena.

From my experience, Garena is faster for people in SE Asia region (Garena originated in Singapore). If the players are properly connected via Garena (some players might have problem connecting to one another), the game would be faster. However, Hamachi seems to provide more stable connection than Garena in overall term and Hamachi is also better at reconnection (sometimes internet in my country cut for a fraction of second but I can reconnect via Hamachi unlike Garena, which such discon would mean I have to drop from the game).

Overall, I think Garena is not a bad tool as it can connect large number of players together.

This post has been edited by Casojin: 9 Dec 2010, 9:35

[Shock]

I also went through a hoop to test Shockwave on Garena, that is, copying the Zero Hour folder when Shockwave was activated so I had one extra activated directory for Garena.

It is my opinion that players should not have to mess with the game folders and activations processes in order to play online. The procedure is vulnerable enough as it is, so I would rather see a VPN client that does not require this.

[Wi-Ta]

I did install tunngle yesterday and it does look good to me.
You can also have both tunngle and hamachi installed they are compatible.
It is much easier to switch to a tunngle or hamachi network.

Br
Wi-Ta

[Casojin]

It is my opinion that players should not have to mess with the game folders and activations processes in order to play online. The procedure is vulnerable enough as it is, so I would rather see a VPN client that does not require this.

Agreed.

If Shockwave has Activate button, then Garena can be used for Shockwave network.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UsxkNutkDk