Military talks, 2010 + Options

[3rdShockArmy]

Pepo's right, guys. Besides, there's a big fuckin' sign "Snipe me with a precision weapon" written all over it. Multiple trucks are more mobile, independent, can scatter, camouflage way easier etc.

[Serialkillerwhal...]

not to mention the fact that the thing would be absolutely worthless in any realistic off-road situations

[Svea Rike]

I thought putting all the launchers on a single truck saves money? The less trucks, the more money saved, right?

[3rdShockArmy]

That would be in a perfect world where your army would be a ceremonial show-off festival. In the real world, the money you'd save in this manner would be negligible compared to all the things you'd lose (mentioned above).

[__CrUsHeR]

Impressive New Year's Eve Celebrations In Syria 2016

[3rdShockArmy]

I truly hope this new year will go much better for those unfortunate people. They've been going through a living Hell for 5 consecutive years now and for their sake I hope they'll finally get their lives back.

[(USA)Bruce]

Hopefully 2016 will be the end of war,

East,west,north,south (Yes Im onto you penguins....)
I dont care who wins....Just stop the bloodshed, It got boring three years ago...Its too late for the refugees to return but that doesnt mean they cant rebuild

[Serialkillerwhal...]

Those penguins are up to something.

[__CrUsHeR]

This year Russia promises to incorporate the first robots for ground combat (UGCV) of the country in the RA.

Uran-9 Unmanned Ground Combat Vehicle: Russia's Skynet first robot

The Uran-9 is designed to provide remote reconnaissance and fire support to combined arms, recon and counter-terror units. It consists of two recon and fire support robots, a tractor for their transportation and a mobile control post. The robots are fitted with a laser warning system and target detection, identification and tracking equipment.

The armament of the recon and fire support robots includes the 30mm 2A72 automatic cannon, a coaxial 7.62mm machine gun and Ataka ATGMs and may vary depending on customer requirements.

The Uran-9 will be particularly useful during local military and counter-terror operations, including those in cities. Its use will significantly reduce personnel casualties.


P.S: This initiative of Russia confirms the expectations of an advanced terrestrial automation program underway in the country. Apparently the Armata program should be following the same steps of the Uran towards a vehicle 100% autonomous.

This post has been edited by __CrUsHeR: 7 Jan 2016, 19:01

[Svea Rike]

^Cool. That means we're only a few years away from Call of Duty Black Ops II becoming a reality.

/joke

However, as "unethical" as robotic warfare sounds, if it can minimize casualties then I'm all for it. We just need super-tight security so no hackers/the NSA can take control of the robots and turn them against their masters. People have hacked autonomous cars, which Google claimed wer more secure than Fort Knox.

[__CrUsHeR]

We just need super-tight security so no hackers/the NSA can take control of the robots and turn them against their masters. People have hacked autonomous cars, which Google claimed wer more secure than Fort Knox.

It does not work this way. Civilian vehicles work in frequencies easy to access because of the necessity of "domestic integration", for this reason are easily "hacked". Military vehicles operate on military frequencies/bands; you are not able to access these channels of communication with your mobile phone for example or something improvised due to advanced physical structure necessary for this (antennas, radars, etc.).

There are still other "tricks" related to advanced data encryption (though I am not an expert on the subject to talk about this).

Always existed means and available equipments for systems intrusions, but will not be of easy access to the civil public.

[3rdShockArmy]

That's why all big modern militaries have EW departments. That won't stop the implementation of drones, but it may slow down the process. The real problem will emerge if some radical/terrorist groups get their hands on advanced military-grade EW devices. I'm not saying that they'll be able to produce it (very likely some foreign power with an interest could provide them, which was the case during the Cold War and it will happen again). It'd be really fucked up if we ever get to see a turncoat drone/robot during an anti-terrorist operation. Human factor isn't going anywhere any time soon. Singularity is still far away. Further than most future-crazy people think.

[Pepo]

In the past military drones had been hacked ( the most interesting case was when a US predator drone was hacked with a 25$ Russian program and forced to land in Iran). However , is not something you would do during combat, especially if there are a lot of ground drones

[3rdShockArmy]

Yeah. There was also one hacked in the Crimea. The Russians just landed it on their base. This proves just how hard will it be for those countries with an over-reliance for drones in their reconnaissance and espionage missions.

[__CrUsHeR]

Russian Nuclear Torpedo Test (1955)

The Russia was currently working on new nuclear torpedoes (in 1955 already mastered nuclear torpedoes).

[3rdShockArmy]

They have self-captivating torpedos for half a century now. When it comes to subs and their weapons, Russians are way ahead of their potential adversaries. Only Americans and maybe Germans can come close to what Russia has now, but Russians were decades ahead of them in some areas (I've mentioned self-captivating torpedos). It's basically a rocket under water. It's not even a torpedo in it's strict sense, because it basically doesn't touch the water. It's speed is unrivaled by anything else moving both on and in the water. A true nightmare for any enemy vessel.

[Serialkillerwhal...]

Nuclear torpedoes?

Why woul

Oh, 1955.

Yeah those years they were pretty stupid about nukes

"LETS NUKE THE SKY"

"LETS SET OFF A NUKE UNDERGROUND"

"LETS DO MINING WITH NUKES"

"LETS MAKE A NUKE-PROPELLED NUCLEAR BOMBER"

"LETS MAKE A NUKE TOO BIG TO EVER USE"

"LETS NUKE THE OCEAN"

[3rdShockArmy]

Everyone were crazy about nukes back then. You don't have to constantly puke around your Russophobic OCD. This tread is about an objective view on military tech. Do you really expect that anyone will take your "opinion" seriously, if you're being our designated forum dickhead all the time?
Take a break and involve in an intelligent conversation for once.

This post has been edited by 3rdShockArmy: 16 Jan 2016, 20:16

[Pepo]

Nuclear torpedoes?

Why woul

Oh, 1955.

Yeah those years they were pretty stupid about nukes

"LETS NUKE THE SKY"

"LETS SET OFF A NUKE UNDERGROUND"

"LETS DO MINING WITH NUKES"

"LETS MAKE A NUKE-PROPELLED NUCLEAR BOMBER"

"LETS MAKE A NUKE TOO BIG TO EVER USE"

"LETS NUKE THE OCEAN"

actually the nuclear bomber made sense before the appearance of ICBMs' and ballistic submarines. The ability to have planes with the possibility of staying on air for longer than 1 day gave excellent retaliation capacities.

But the most stupid ones were the nuclear depth charges , that if launched destroys the destroyer that launched it, and the nuclear recoilless rifle which kills the launching crew if used. . honestly the whole idea of short range nuclear weapons is self defeating

[Serialkillerwhal...]

True, but the kind of stupid shit they did with said nukes such as Project Pluto, Tsar Bomba, etc etc, were all clearly more made for the sake of "YAY NUKES" than any logical thought process.

[__CrUsHeR]

PAK TA – A transport aircraft, PAK TA, will fly at supersonic speeds (up to 2,000 km/h) and will boast a remarkably high payload of up to 200 tons. It will also have a range of at least 7,000 kilometers.

The PAK TA program envisions 80 new cargo aircraft to be built by 2024. This means in a decade Russia’s Central Command will be able to place a battle-ready armored army anywhere, Expert Online reports, citing a source in the military who attended the closed meeting.

In April 2016, work will begin on aircraft “Ermakov”. The production of a series of aircraft will be developed in Ulyanovsk (factory “Aviastar-SP”) after 2024.

Future Russian Special Pourpose Aircraft PAK TA

[Die Hindenburg]

Why the russians even need that? It seems too toyish to be even considered.
Also russia just gone the same direction as any country goes, founding a cybernetic slavery with drones. Or it will hopefully turn out too expensive and no one can afford it.

[__CrUsHeR]

Why the russians even need that? It seems too toyish to be even considered.
Also russia just gone the same direction as any country goes, founding a cybernetic slavery with drones. Or it will hopefully turn out too expensive and no one can afford it.

The design of an aircraft like this reflects a new more offensive and "internationalized" doctrine, where Russia quickly sends whole battalions of armored force toward or away from NATO's borders, no time for countermeasures or preparations.

Think of the Syrian War today if Russia had an aircraft like this operational; would suffice a displacement at full load to change the course of the war in a few weeks; the existence of a single airfield in a remote region would be the suffice to prevent the invasion of a territory (as at any time could land a battalion of armored vehicles).

The PAK TA must have a high cost to Russia and should not be intended for foreign markets; is a response "asymmetric" to NATO advances basically.

[3rdShockArmy]

Crusher's right. It reflects the new doctrine of the Russian Armed Forces. That's just a trend that will continue to expand. The closer we move towards multipolar world, more countries will adopt such strategies.
It's a pretty ambitious project and Russia is more than capable to achieve such a feat technologically. The financial aspects are the real problem. How many of those you need? More than 20 of such aircraft are a complete waste of money. Russia already proved it's air-lift and logistical capabilities when they established Khmeimim airbase in matter of days. This thing is supposed to get a large armoured group to a place 7000 klicks away. It's a fricken flying military base.

[Pepo]

Honestly Russia should stop spending so much money on not so useful projects. I can't see why Russia need this plane; their global military influence is vastly inferior to the one of the US. This money should be invested on the economy, not on very-limited projects