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Spejjarn's thoughts on warships
Spejjarn
post 17 Feb 2016, 9:13
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Tidal Wars is a great project! :-D
There are a number of roles that need to be fulfilled by a navy:
Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW)
Anti-air (AA)
Long-range fire support
Transport

I have listed TW units and added new or modified TW units.

USA
*SCV
*Destroyer: I would arm it with Anti-Ship Missile (ASM) Launcher and ASW Drone.
*Phalanx Cruiser
*Fixer: renamed to e.g. Maintenance Vessel.
*Battleship
*LCAC: vGen amphibious transport.
*Drone Carrier: Floating WASP Hive

China
*SCV
*I feel Gattling Gunboat is too light for PLAN. Removed.
*Spy Trawler: Essentially a floating Listening Outpost that can disguise as vGen fishing trawler/Asian junk. Have some special surveillance/intelligence ability.
*Amphibious Transport: Armed with Gatling Cannon against surface and air targets.
*Seafox: Torpedos against surface warships and subs.
*Ballistic Submarine: Good'ol nuclear missile submarine. No torpedos.

GLA
*SCV or equivalent
*Speedboat: Floating bomb truck. Fast.
Barge: GLA-ized LCAC. Amphibious despite its name.
*PT Boat: Armed with light gun. Can be upgraded with Stinger against air OR an ASW rocket system against subs.
*Rocket Jetski
*I hope the Oil Tanker you're planning to add got SCUDs.


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post 17 Feb 2016, 10:11
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Is it still in development?


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post 18 Feb 2016, 2:59
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QUOTE (TimeBurner @ 17 Feb 2016, 17:11) *
Is it still in development?


The forums are still here aren't they?


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V.Metalic
post 20 Feb 2016, 10:06
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We are still in business, but we are working in our pace, which is slow smile.gif We have our own personal lives, but we are still interested in Tidal Wars.

For your opinions/suggestions, Spejjarn.

- Destroyers are nowadays armed with a main gun, missiles and torpedoes. We decided to take out missiles for the engine limits, but also for we wanted a generic ship, gun-totting ships going into battle smile.gif
- Phalanx may receive in a future some changes. We were discussing it, and with iít being one of the oldest models it may not fit as well. The change ,ay be just visual, the weapons and functions will stay the same if and when we will get to it.
- LCAC is something thats already in the game files, but for the game is redundant. USA already has Chinooks which are beside armor better in everything.
- Aircraft/Drone Carrier is something of a uncertain project. WASP Hive system is probably the only one viable, and if we will make it, it will go to Granger as his replacement for Battleship.

- Gatling Gunboat is fine for couple of reasons. In the first place China isnt "heavy", not jsut because they have Overlords. Battlemaster is second in weight of the MBTs, Gatlign Tank and Dragon Tank, light armored vehicles. ECM Tank, too. Troop Crawler is large but has no armor. Inferno and Nuke Cannons, no armor. Also sea isnt China's true virtue, so they are not as adept in here as USA, thus their ships are generally smaller than USA counterpart.
- Spy Trawler isnt a bad idea. In fact, I got some ideas for similar unit, too. Something like an ECM and surveillance ship to keep your waters clear from the submarines and other stealthed units. It may show up in the Chinese list some day.
- Seafox is in fact Leang's unique ship, replacing a generic naval unit of other generals. I dont precisely remember what this unit will be, but it may be a gunboat or cruiser of sorts. Probably not another submarine.
- Nuke Sub has torpedoes for self-defense, for we thought it can be afforded because it is a large unit unlike Nuke Cannon. Still the torpedoes are nothing strong, so it ma take out one or two small ships, but any anti-ship dedicated unit will sink it in no time smile.gif

- A Demo Boat, Bomb Boat, however you want to call it. We dont have it in the list, thought I cant tell you why not.
- Again, GLA has no need for amphibious transport when they already has the best transport; Tunnel Networks. Thought I cant tell you how can you get a Worker on the other side of the ocean ATM.
- PT Boat doesnt have a need for AA weapons because we have one ship for them already planned that would fill in this task, and maybe that of a cruiser, but that is just my opinion wink.gif
- Rocket Jetski is not exactly a Rocket Buggy version on water, more of a harassment unit. It is not as OP, or I hope for it.
- I would love that biggrin.gif Oil tanker with Scud missiles. But I would rather put it on a cargo ship with containers than oil tanker, that one can be smaller, and GLA has to keep their "relatively high mobility" trait smile.gif

And for some other things, there exists a very old concept for a Chinese battleship equivalent, called "Dragonship", which was spewing fire. I think that in this way it isnt that great, you would have to close in to use the flamethrower, and even if so practically all ships in the game are made from metal. It wont be as that much devastating. but, it may show up somewhere as slightly different. smile.gif You know, maybe a missile cruiser like Dreadnougth from RA2, or different kind of artillery ship. Because we may need more unique ships for the generals. I want to stress, the Dragonship is not a confirmed unit, but a possibility that we have and my opinion on the mod. The future plans may include it, but also may not smile.gif

I hope I gave you some insight into our decisions for the units that we have added in so far smile.gif


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Spejjarn
post 29 Feb 2016, 20:19
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First of all thank you for your long response! Secondly sorry for the tone being a bit too much "you should do that, you should do this" in my first post.

QUOTE (V.Metalic @ 20 Feb 2016, 10:06) *
- LCAC is something thats already in the game files, but for the game is redundant. USA already has Chinooks which are beside armor better in everything.
- Aircraft/Drone Carrier /.../ if we will make it, it will go to Granger as his replacement for Battleship.
1) I still like the LCAC. 2) Sound to give aircraft carrier to air force general... wink.gif

QUOTE (V.Metalic @ 20 Feb 2016, 10:06) *
- Gatling Gunboat is fine for couple of reasons. In the first place China isnt "heavy", /.../ Also sea isnt China's true virtue, so they are not as adept in here as USA, thus their ships are generally smaller than USA counterpart.
- Spy Trawler isnt a bad idea. In fact, I got some ideas for similar unit, too.
1) Good explanation! 2) I hope for the Spy Trawler.

QUOTE (V.Metalic @ 20 Feb 2016, 10:06) *
- A Demo Boat, Bomb Boat, however you want to call it. We dont have it in the list, thought I cant tell you why not.
- Again, GLA has no need for amphibious transport when they already has the best transport; Tunnel Networks. Thought I cant tell you how can you get a Worker on the other side of the ocean ATM.
1) Meh! No suicide boats?! av-7.gif tongue.gif
2) In "Update #7, Trigger Pull" you write that PT Boats can transport infantry. Problem solved. cool.gif

QUOTE (V.Metalic @ 20 Feb 2016, 10:06) *
- I would love that biggrin.gif Oil tanker with Scud missiles. But I would rather put it on a cargo ship with containers than oil tanker, that one can be smaller, and GLA has to keep their "relatively high mobility" trait smile.gif
Well I was thinking container ship originally but then I read something about an oil tanker in the forum. But container ship would indeed be better.

QUOTE (V.Metalic @ 20 Feb 2016, 10:06) *
We are still in business, but we are working in our pace, which is slow smile.gif We have our own personal lives, but we are still interested in Tidal Wars.
I am very well aware of the fact that this is a hobby project. No rush. Keep up the great job!


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post 2 Mar 2016, 9:43
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QUOTE (Spejjarn @ 1 Mar 2016, 2:19) *
1) I still like the LCAC.

USA will unlikely to get an amphibious transport because they will have more hover/amphibious units compared to the other two factions, so they don't really need to transport their ground vehicles that much (Chinooks already can do the job). On the other hand the Chinese is the one that need amphibious transport more, that's why we designed the amphibious transport to be exclusive for China.
PS: The USA SCV also already look much like the vGen amphibious transport, this is also to avoid confusion.

QUOTE (Spejjarn @ 1 Mar 2016, 2:19) *
2) I hope for the Spy Trawler.

Well actually the Seafox Sub is designed to be more a stealthily detector/scout unit and less a combat unit. But since it will be Leang exclusive, the other China generals will need to use their unannounced basic ship to detect enemy subs. For other kind of unseen threats they might need to use the Troop Crawlers (that will become amphibious). If you think this is bad, well, China ingame do have bad intel powers. tongue.gif

QUOTE (Spejjarn @ 1 Mar 2016, 2:19) *
1) Meh! No suicide boats?! av-7.gif tongue.gif

Too soon. av-7.gif tongue.gif


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V.Metalic
post 9 Mar 2016, 21:57
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QUOTE (Spejjarn @ 29 Feb 2016, 20:19) *
1) I still like the LCAC. 2) Sound to give aircraft carrier to air force general... wink.gif

If we will really decide to add Aircraft carrier, it will defintiely go to Air Force General, no doubt about that biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Spejjarn @ 29 Feb 2016, 20:19) *
2) In "Update #7, Trigger Pull" you write that PT Boats can transport infantry. Problem solved. cool.gif

I think thats just a lore thing. smile.gif

QUOTE (Spejjarn @ 29 Feb 2016, 20:19) *
Well I was thinking container ship originally but then I read something about an oil tanker in the forum. But container ship would indeed be better.

Container ship, oil tanker, basically any huge civilian ship can do for GLA as a carrier of Scud launcher or any other heavy weapons.


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