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Angel
post 17 Mar 2016, 1:15
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Ok, I don't have time now to write everything, but I will give you a first potion of problems, which hadn't been fixed, more will be later today.

1. Marauders of demo generals, rocket ammunition, it must be hardly nerfed
2. Alpha auroras must be hardly nerfed
3. Quad's damage must be backup to 1.1 version
4. Combat bikes must be nerfed
5. Acolyte drones
6. Laser stealth firters

Now is brief and partial, it is time to work, in the evening there will be more and more
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post 17 Mar 2016, 1:31
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Hi, I think I not sure what happen with my SHW but lots of bug happen here, some invisible units, missing buildings and missing pictures from new updated units. Hope Someone may help?
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post 17 Mar 2016, 1:39
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QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 0:26) *
I didn't think that simple post of DustyRhodes, where he just said his own opinion will be perceived as aggression. Hunter, if you don't wanna listen anybody except your testers and somebody who will say how good you are and how great mod you've done - it's your right, but we also have right to say our opinion, and if it not like for somebody it not means we are agressive, learn to hear alternative point of view.

Now about mod. I will test it, but as I see in the changelog, mod changed in worse way, because allmost all the problems hadn't been fixed, also there was create a new problems, for example weak quads for all GLA, and many others. I don't know what's happened with hunter, but I feel it's allready not that man who has created the most balanced mod for zero hour a long time ago. 1.2 is unlucky realise, I see it allready. I said that I can help, but nobody listened me. I still can help, but I doubt I can change something.
When the only thing you do since the moment you the change log was posted is tell us how we are wrong and indirectly say that we don't know what we are doing what kind of reaction would you expect?

You say you wonder why nobody is taking you seriously is probably because you (at very least appear to) have that exact same passive aggressive attitude.
If that is not how you intend toe come across to others then you should consider chosing to your words more carefully.

And don't mistake my what i'm saying for only wanting to be praised as to use your words "somebody who will say how good you are and how great mod you've done" because that's absolutely not what i'm aiming for.
Unlike what people (and apparently you) might think of me i actually do care about the general opinion of everyone present in this community.

Finally you're discussing game balance in an announcement topic post, its much easier to post your own topics on whatever you feel is an issue in the actual ShockWave forum.
That way they can actually be properly discussed and we can actually use that feedback properly.


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post 17 Mar 2016, 3:02
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post 17 Mar 2016, 7:13
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Do not confuse aggressiveness and disappointment, I didn't say any offensive word to somebody. You say that opinion of all community is important for you, but when somebody criticizes you, you feel it as agression, it's silly, because it seems like you just affraid to listen truth. And the truth is, that shockwave 1.1 is almost flawless, all it was need just fix a few OP units. But you not only failed to correct existing problems, you also created a whole bunch of new due to the fact that began to correct things which not need to be corrected. Therefore, I ask: what happened with you, Hunter? Maybe you started using something intoxicating, because it is legal in the Netherlands?

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post 17 Mar 2016, 7:32
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QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 14:13) *
Do not confuse aggressiveness and disappointment, I didn't say any offensive word to somebody. You say that opinion of all community is important for you, but when somebody criticizes you, you feel it as agression, it's silly, because it seems like you just affraid to listen truth. And the truth is, that shockwave 1.1 is almost flawless, all it was need just fix a few OP units. But you not only failed to correct existing problems, you also created a whole bunch of new due to the fact that began to correct things which not need to be corrected. Therefore, I ask: what happened with you, Hunter? Maybe you started using something intoxicating, because it is legal in the Netherlands?


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post 17 Mar 2016, 7:54
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QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 8:13) *
Do not confuse aggressiveness and disappointment, I didn't say any offensive word to somebody. You say that opinion of all community is important for you, but when somebody criticizes you, you feel it as agression, it's silly, because it seems like you just affraid to listen truth. And the truth is, that shockwave 1.1 is almost flawless, all it was need just fix a few OP units. But you not only failed to correct existing problems, you also created a whole bunch of new due to the fact that began to correct things which not need to be corrected. Therefore, I ask: what happened with you, Hunter? Maybe you started using something intoxicating, because it is legal in the Netherlands?


O'right, we're just gonna listen to an opnion from someone who didn't even bother spending time playing the game for more than a week, and ignore the group of dedicated players who were trying their best to balance out the issues and stuck with the entire development phase.
It's one thing to critisize, but it should be constructive , not ' Well your mod suck because you did this and this....' . It just makes you seem like an asshole, atleast that's the impression you're giving off to everyone.
So here is what's gonna happen :

- Nobody is gonna listen to you.
- You're gonna either play the damn game, and if you really want to contribute with balance then give proper feedback/ detailed opinion about what's the balance problems with replays to proove, otherwise everything you say will stay in the Bullshit zone, nobody would take them seriously.
- OR if you are dissapointed from the game, then don't play it. Simple as that. Go back to your 'Pro-ZH' game and complain about balance issues there, it's not like it would matter or anything. Bet nobody would care.

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post 17 Mar 2016, 8:06
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QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 10:13) *
Do not confuse aggressiveness and disappointment, I didn't say any offensive word to somebody. You say that opinion of all community is important for you, but when somebody criticizes you, you feel it as agression, it's silly, because it seems like you just affraid to listen truth. And the truth is, that shockwave 1.1 is almost flawless, all it was need just fix a few OP units. But you not only failed to correct existing problems, you also created a whole bunch of new due to the fact that began to correct things which not need to be corrected. Therefore, I ask: what happened with you, Hunter? Maybe you started using something intoxicating, because it is legal in the Netherlands?


To avoid further misunderstandings caused by language barrier:

Дело тут не в том, что "никто не хочет слушать критику, слушают только похвалу". Дело в том, КАК и где эту критику подавать. Здесь НЕ любят манеру подачи, когда с порога заявляют "вы облажались тут, там и здесь, но я не скажу в чем именно, сами выясняйте". Generalcamo тебе уже сказал: если есть проблемы с какими-то юнитами, изложи КОНКРЕТНО, в чем эти проблемы заключаются, вместо того чтобы высказывать свое "авторитетнейшее мнение" (именно так это и выглядит со стороны, вне зависимости от того, насколько ты на самом деле прав) и говорить "юнит X имба, я это лучше вас знаю, пофиксите его". А аргументы где? Ты просто приводишь список юнитов и говоришь, что их надо нерфить, но ты даже не указываешь в чем именно они имба, и в каких ситуациях это проявляется, как будто твоего авторитета умелого игрока (о чем тут далеко не все знают) УЖЕ достаточно, чтобы что-то поменяли. Твои посты и некоторые посты Dusty похожи больше на заказы, чем на советы и желание сотрудничать. А заказы тут НЕ любят, поэтому советую сменить тон и манеру общения на более вежливые, в противном случае можешь просто улететь в бан и тогда донести свое мнение будет еще сложнее. Тем более народ вокруг уже начал раздражаться. А подъебывать хантера - вообще не лучшая идея, если ты еще рассчитываешь на сотрудничество.

В любом случае, это не последний патч, и балансные изменения еще будут. Есть что сказать - добро пожаловать на форум SHW, только на этот раз говори конкретнее: что, где, и в каком виде не так. И критику, как я уже сказал, нужно правильно подавать. И давайте не будет устраивать срач в посте про обновление, ему здесь не место.

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post 17 Mar 2016, 8:30
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QUOTE (Damfoos @ 17 Mar 2016, 9:06) *
Дело тут не в том, что "никто не хочет слушать критику, слушают только похвалу". Дело в том, КАК и где эту критику подавать. Здесь НЕ любят манеру подачи, когда с порога заявляют "вы облажались тут, там и здесь, но я не скажу в чем именно, сами выясняйте". Generalcamo тебе уже сказал: если есть проблемы с какими-то юнитами, изложи КОНКРЕТНО, в чем эти проблемы заключаются, вместо того чтобы высказывать свое "авторитетнейшее мнение" (именно так это и выглядит со стороны, вне зависимости от того, насколько ты на самом деле прав) и говорить "юнит X имба, я это лучше вас знаю, пофиксите его". А аргументы где? Ты просто приводишь список юнитов и говоришь, что их надо нерфить, но ты даже не указываешь в чем именно они имба, и в каких ситуациях это проявляется, как будто твоего авторитета умелого игрока (о чем тут далеко не все знают) УЖЕ достаточно, чтобы что-то поменяли. Твои посты и некоторые посты Dusty похожи больше на заказы, чем на советы и желание сотрудничать. А заказы тут НЕ любят, поэтому советую сменить тон и манеру общения на более вежливые, в противном случае можешь просто улететь в бан и тогда донести свое мнение будет еще сложнее. Тем более народ вокруг уже начал раздражаться. А подъебывать хантера - вообще не лучшая идея, если ты еще рассчитываешь на сотрудничество.

Дамфус. Где играющие игроки (масло масляное)? Почему молчат? Где аргументы? Разве очевидная имба нуждается в аргументах? Я конечно не знаю, но подозреваю, что Ангел ранее уже пытался объяснять и излагать суть косяков баланса в соответствующих темах. Если нет, то лично у меня вопросов тогда нет, потому что у него была такая возможность. Если да, тем более что Ангел по английски вроде как говорит нормально, он всё мог доходчиво изложить в своё время. Но то, что мы уже не один турнир с ограничениями по использованию перекачанных юнитов играем, это да. Тут конечно всем плевать на это, потому что турниры катают тут левые пацаны от залётных организаторов с орга раз в тысячу лет. Никто движения не делает. В отличие от того же Ангела, который в популяризацию Шоквейва за последний год вложил среди русскоязычных игроков в тысячу раз больше сил чем все остальные на этом сайте, включая создателя мода. Хотя бы по этой причине к нему можно прислушаться wink.gif


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post 17 Mar 2016, 10:10
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Просто представьте себя на месте противоположной стороны. Вы делаете мод, вкладываете душу, время, потом выпускаете его, и тут появляются незнакомые вам личности и начинают говорить в духе "все не эдак и не так, и вообще че ты тут наворотил, херня получилась" (могу даже цитату привести того же Ангела, которая примерно так и звучит). Понравится? Отсюда и некоторое предубеждение, и вам об этом уже несколько раз прямо сказали. Я вам еще раз повторяю: не на вашу правду обиделись (ибо очевидно, что в моде совершенный баланс достичь очень трудно), а на то, КАК вы ее излагаете. Это вы ТАМ известные опытные игроки, сделавшие много для популяризации мода, и поэтому ваше мнение ценится там высоко и учитывается с ходу. ЗДЕСЬ вы гости форума, и если хотите быть услышаны, то будьте добры следовать некоторым правилам поведения. Хотя бы потому, что пока именно на ваше поведение обращают больше внимания, чем на дельность ваших рекомендаций (которые поданы в очень ультимативной форме, еще раз говорю), будьте вы хоть тысячу раз правы! "Имба не нуждается в пояснениях" - вы кому адресуете свои замечания по поводу имба/не имба? Тому, кто делает мод и не играет в него 24\7 на про-уровне, и поэтому очевидные для вас вещи может и не замечать или не считать настолько же важными. Поэтому и нужно излагать грамотно и последовательно, опираясь на аргументы, а не лишь на собственный авторитет (о котором, как я уже сказал, тут знают немногие), чтобы у заведующего патчем человека была четкая и обоснованная причина вносить какие-то изменения, а не только мнение "авторитетного игрока".

И давайте закончим общение на великом и могучем, пока модератор не взялся за банхаммер. Я все уже сказал.

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post 17 Mar 2016, 10:29
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TL;DR: As long as you order people to "fix" the game "according to you", you're rude and aggressive. No matter who you are and how you deny. It is simply that. Your English is good enough to drop that tone, no need for a Damfoos-alike overreaction. And if you cannot accept your place with keeping up this "I know better than you, change this because I said it so" attitude, you'll get booted instead of your concerns getting addressed.

Generalcamo got ShW to make sure there is a balance support on that mod even if the mainstream SWR is being busy with ROTR. If you lighten your tone and back it up with actual evidence and not "I'll explain it later"s then you'll get a much better response. Don't expect anything until then though.

No project leader would treat such a smartass tone serious, nowhere.

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QUOTE (RavenWings @ 17 Mar 2016, 8:31) *
Hi, I think I not sure what happen with my SHW but lots of bug happen here, some invisible units, missing buildings and missing pictures from new updated units. Hope Someone may help?

Sorry I had solve my problems, I use the wrong launcher which is 1.1v lols. Sorry>.<
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QUOTE (Damfoos @ 17 Mar 2016, 11:10) *
и вам
Я вам еще раз повторяю
Это вы ТАМ
ЗДЕСЬ вы гости форума
на ваше поведение обращают больше внимания
будьте вы
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да что я. я такой же рядовой пользователь, как и все остальные. просто за Ангела обидно. не знал, что такой сильный человек - для здешних ноль полный huh.gif я вообще изначально думал, что к нам от отсюда пришёл...
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QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 7:13) *
Do not confuse aggressiveness and disappointment, I didn't say any offensive word to somebody.
Well honestly i'm not sure what you were expected but from what i'v heard you were expecting way more than what we'v actually announced which is largely your own fault for setting your expectations to high.
And if thats realy what you want then i would suggest again to chose your words more carefully.


QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 7:13) *
You say that opinion of all community is important for you, but when somebody criticizes you, you feel it as agression.
You probably get that idea because i will only respond to criticism directly if i think it was said in an inappropriate manner.
If it's done in a decent way i usually don't reply at all and simply read it, document it and bring it up internally at best.


QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 7:13) *
because it seems like you just affraid to listen truth.
Using the word "truth" in an argument that is clearly based upon opinions make it seem that we would need embrace everything you say as a fact.
That's not how things work.

QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 7:13) *
what happened with you, Hunter? Maybe you started using something intoxicating, because it is legal in the Netherlands

Whatever your intentions were this sort of remarks are not going to be allowed under any condition so you will get your account suspended for the next 2 weeks.


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post 17 Mar 2016, 11:49
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QUOTE ((WbG)~SpeC~ @ 17 Mar 2016, 14:30) *
да что я. я такой же рядовой пользователь, как и все остальные. просто за Ангела обидно. не знал, что такой сильный человек - для здешних ноль полный huh.gif я вообще изначально думал, что к нам от отсюда пришёл...
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Not exactly YOU and Angel, but "you" as "Dusty, Angel and other experienced players from outside of this forum". I haven't seen YOU complaining, so don't take it for yourself wink.gif

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There's a mistake in the changelog :-

-Gattling Tank now explodes violently if the fusion reactor upgrade is purchased

It should be :-

-Gattling Tank now explodes violently if the fusion reactor upgrade is not purchased


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QUOTE (Rohan @ 17 Mar 2016, 15:10) *
There's a mistake in the changelog :-

-Gattling Tank now explodes violently if the fusion reactor upgrade is purchased

It should be :-

-Gattling Tank now explodes violently if the fusion reactor upgrade is not purchased

There's nothing wrong. They explode IF the fusion reactors are purchased, without that upgrade they're just normal gattling tanks with no explosion.

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QUOTE (Rohan @ 17 Mar 2016, 19:40) *
There's a mistake in the changelog :-

-Gattling Tank now explodes violently if the fusion reactor upgrade is purchased

It should be :-

-Gattling Tank now explodes violently if the fusion reactor upgrade is not purchased


You're thinking of the Isotope Stability upgrade


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QUOTE (Comrade M.P @ 17 Mar 2016, 17:14) *
There's nothing wrong. They explode IF the fusion reactors are purchased, without that upgrade they're just normal gattling tanks with no explosion.


Oh, I confused it with Isotope Stability. tongue.gif


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