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Dr. Thrax VS. General "Demo" Juhziz
Is the demo general too hard?
Is it just hard?
Yes, even on easy [ 14 ] ** [48.28%]
Yes [ 4 ] ** [13.79%]
No [ 4 ] ** [13.79%]
I can beat him on HARD [ 7 ] ** [24.14%]
What don't you like about this map?
Many demo traps [ 5 ] ** [8.33%]
Bugged SCUD storm [ 17 ] ** [28.33%]
Topol-2 SCUD launchers [ 10 ] ** [16.67%]
Too much terrorists and bike terrorists [ 12 ] ** [20.00%]
2 bases [ 2 ] ** [3.33%]
Angry mob rush [ 1 ] ** [1.67%]
Tank rush [ 2 ] ** [3.33%]
Rocket buggys [ 5 ] ** [8.33%]
Too much defenses [ 2 ] ** [3.33%]
His cheap sayings [ 4 ] ** [6.67%]
Jarman Kell and his saboteurs [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
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GeneralCamo
post 3 Oct 2009, 3:38
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I was playing the demo general when suddenly, while I was loading my battle buses with grenadiers, some giant swarm got me. I was playing on easy! I fought hard but his SCUDS got my army. ANY HELP OUT THERE?
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post 3 Oct 2009, 4:05
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Dont expand too fast, stay away from the edges of the cliff and dont capture ANYTHING not even the machine gun nest as i have found they tend to attack you shortly after you capture something. Only capture when you can properly defend yourself and whatever your capturing
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post 3 Oct 2009, 15:47
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Dont think this belongs to the China section.


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post 3 Oct 2009, 16:10
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This is mostly just very hard for Thrax. Thrax sucks especially in Challenge mode since his units are very underpowered against just about any unit in any of the challenges and he can't use any of his specialties to any effect, while all his disadvantages count even more gravely; buggies cost more, ambush is much more impotent, Pythons can't do anything well, mobs can't get upgraded, etc.

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post 3 Oct 2009, 17:26
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Yes, but this does not change the fact the map is bugged. The whole map is shrouded as well.
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post 3 Oct 2009, 18:17
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QUOTE (KamuiK @ 3 Oct 2009, 15:26) *
Yes, but this does not change the fact the map is bugged. The whole map is shrouded as well.
I'm not sure but this may be to shroud the demo traps. I'm not sure but I think they might show up on the map otherwise. Still, it's irritating, that's true.


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post 3 Oct 2009, 18:58
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AFAIK when the map is first revealed and THEN refogged (alpha fog, not the black one), stealth buildings are not visible.
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post 3 Oct 2009, 20:27
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The only thing I don't like is the stupid eternal rebuild- scud storm, forcing you to focus on building at least one or two asap and keep firing his down. A mindless continuity.

Besides that the map design and looks are pretty outdated, but that's not really the point.


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post 3 Oct 2009, 22:30
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I beat him on hard while playing as Alexander... didn't find it all that difficult...


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You make it sound like SWR's hidden some nude patch in it..

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I've reported it.
And have tried 5 more times anyways.
I'm pro-trolling that mod.

Your base has been targeted for demolition
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post 3 Oct 2009, 23:48
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QUOTE (IonCharge @ 3 Oct 2009, 20:30) *
I beat him on hard while playing as Alexander... didn't find it all that difficult...
It's very easy to beat him as Alexander. In fact, just about all challenges are really easy with Alexander.


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post 4 Oct 2009, 8:31
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People should think before they post eh ? yeh i found it diffcult but i eventually beat it but i dont remember how XD.gif
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post 11 Oct 2009, 5:02
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STILL could not destroy juhziz. And zhao, I tried the "Offence is a better defence but combat cycles got me. Any more tips?
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post 11 Oct 2009, 7:59
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QUOTE (Generalcamo @ 10 Oct 2009, 21:02) *
STILL could not destroy juhziz. And zhao, I tried the "Offence is a better defence but combat cycles got me. Any more tips?


It also depends a lot in which general are you playing with. For example, with China generals you can build groups of four gattling cannons in a tight square formation, to counter both cycles and topol Ms missiles. These, backed up with a good air support, is a good defense. When using GLA, use quad cannons in formations with scorpions. In case of Thrax, its a bit more tricky. USA is the trickiest of all, as it has low stationary AA agaist missiles of that type, except Ironside and Townes.
The fact is, that if you can counter topols and marauders at the same time (not to mention rocket buggies), you´ve got a good defense against Juhziz where airforce and fast counters are the key to base supervivence. 8llaniflip.giflaserlockani.gifdemo8.gif


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post 21 Oct 2009, 15:35
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Keep the tips flowing
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post 22 Oct 2009, 2:36
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OK. Now lets talk about China generals. 8chi.png

First Fai, which FortGatCannons have a good probability of surviving. Build them in the formation mentioned above and you will beat him in no time. Use GatAPCs for fast transport and counter. His helixes are the most useful filled with a good combo of Minigunners and DBtank hunters.

Next is Tao, his is tricky as his defenses are underpowered compared to another ones. so use groups of gattanks and devastators or overlords. As these are expensive, Juhziz forces will target them. Remember to support with nuke migs.

Kwai can easily destroy missiles and cycles with his AP gatcannons. So place them in formations and support with Razors.

Leangs ones are the most expensive of all, but the most useful. Sentinel cannons are a difficult to beat defense. Just place them in a line and youre saved. It is difficult, so back up with gattanks first. Then with migs and bombers.

Ill post more tips later.


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post 22 Oct 2009, 9:35
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I think the problem with this stage is there is almost no difference (maybe really no difference) between easy, normal and hard difficulty.
Even in easy there already terror bikes hunting player dozers at start. I think there should be some time handicaps for easier levels.

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post 22 Oct 2009, 17:20
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Wow..... you dont need more then 2 defenses Things could be done way easier making armies and i can prove how , you guys are probably playing on easy mode anyways.....
ill upload a few compstomps vs AIs when i return home from school



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As soon as you get your eco sorted this challenge is essentially in the bag.


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post 23 Oct 2009, 2:18
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Will someone from the developing team tell me if this map will be remade so that the bugs go away and that there are handicaps for easy?
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post 23 Oct 2009, 3:45
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How about you actually do what i taught you to do on hamachi... and get better
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QUOTE (Жao @ 22 Oct 2009, 8:20) *
Wow..... you dont need more then 2 defenses Things could be done way easier making armies and i can prove how , you guys are probably playing on easy mode anyways.....
ill upload a few compstomps vs AIs when i return home from school


Hey! That´s not real! I play on HARD and I consider it difficult to beat him, that´s why I suppose everyone needs help about this! So don´t be saying EVERYONE plays on easy! (Sorry if it offends anyone)


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post 23 Oct 2009, 16:33
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I agree. Жao, get a win replay hard-mode up, then we will talk further.
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post 23 Oct 2009, 16:46
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USA is not really 'tricky' as they have very good aircraft.

Aircraft > anything Juhziz throws at you.


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post 23 Oct 2009, 17:37
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Sorry , today is friday for me so ill upload 3 Replays of me vs hard armies and prove that armies are better

WITH 10k on tournament desert



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post 23 Oct 2009, 17:59
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<.< Useless when the discussion is about Thrax vs Juhziz Hard GC.
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