Proof of nuclears innocence, ok Options

[Frostyarmy]

http://www.mediafire.com/?ixmnnyt3xsn

Since guilty till proven innocent applys here.

This post has been edited by Zhao: 5 Oct 2009, 0:16

[wardog]

wtf?

[beefJeRKy]

You're proving his innocence with a ZH replay?

[Frostyarmy]

Nuclear From the forum was accused as being the same IP as Generalh when hes clearly not.

[The_Hunter]

Nuclear From the forum was accused as being the same IP as Generalh when hes clearly not.

This log seems to dissagree with you:

[beefJeRKy]

Is it possible they live in nearby areas and thus can share the same IP? I know I must share my current IP with at least 10 other households.

[The_Hunter]

It might be but the situation is to convient where both post with only 4 minutes time difference and after banning both a member with the same IP attempted to create a new account named "General-H" using an email that contained "nuclear" in it.

[beefJeRKy]

Ah ok then. Of course the mods have better evidence

[Frostyarmy]

How the hell can i play a 3 player game on hamaachi with them then.
i will get my proof right now
as soon as they both log on.

This post has been edited by Zhao: 5 Oct 2009, 3:08

[Alias]

They're brothers?

Both utterly retarded brothers at that.

[/'J]

They're brothers?

Both utterly retarded brothers at that.

They are indeed brothers, they both tend to use the same computer and email. Admittedly, retarded may be a tad on the strong side, but they are not the brightest bulbs in the box. However, I can verify Zhao's point, having played with them both independently, and together, and having seen them communicate on a level that is possible only in real time. I think that you've been overtly forceful here, and have tried, found guilty, and executed two members who are in fact innocent....

[Destiny]

They should take a picture of themselves. =/

[Stinger]

Due to extenuating circumstances, Nuclear has been unbanned.

The moderating team will remain vigilant on the matter, however, so the case remains open.

They are indeed brothers, they both tend to use the same computer and email. Admittedly, retarded may be a tad on the strong side, but they are not the brightest bulbs in the box. However, I can verify Zhao's point, having played with them both independently, and together, and having seen them communicate on a level that is possible only in real time. I think that you've been overtly forceful here, and have tried, found guilty, and executed two members who are in fact innocent....

You obviously have no experience of dealing with members who use multiple accounts to create multiple personalities.

http://forums.swr-productions.com/index.ph...ost&p=13154

http://forums.swr-productions.com/index.ph...ost&p=13155

These were the facts:

The members had the same writing and paragraphing style. There was the close proximity of posts and the fact that they had the same internet protocol address. Then Generalh created an account with "nuclear" in the email address. In the presence of these facts, the ban was imposed on Nuclear's account. Given all of that, it was hard not to believe they were the same person.

[/'J]

Due to extenuating circumstances, Nuclear has been unbanned.

The moderating team will remain vigilant on the matter, however, so the case remains open.



You obviously have no experience of dealing with members who use multiple accounts to create multiple personalities.

http://forums.swr-productions.com/index.ph...ost&p=13154

http://forums.swr-productions.com/index.ph...ost&p=13155

These were the facts:

The members had the same writing and paragraphing style. There was the close proximity of posts and the fact that they had the same internet protocol address. Then Generalh created an account with "nuclear" in the email address. In the presence of these facts, the ban was imposed on Nuclear's account. Given all of that, it was hard not to believe they were the same person.

I don't disagree with the fact that the members in question looked like they may have been the one and the same person, BUT, I do disagree with the manner in which action was taken, which I still feel was heavy-handed without much proof to the contrary. Oh, and I have plenty of experience, ta.

[Stinger]

So to address something you said earlier, which was completely false and misleading.

I think that you've been overtly forceful here, and have tried, found guilty, and executed two members who are in fact innocent....

Generalh was being aggressive from the onset.

We do not tolerate this kind of behaviour here. Maybe you do where you come from, but we don't, and that is the difference.

You're trying to make an issue out of the banning when there was sufficient evidence in the first place to administer the ban.

There is a parallel to be drawn here, and that is if someone came into your home and started to shit talk you to your face, then you would remove/have that person removed from your dwelling, with no possible return. I see no reason why we should put up with people who make demands and are aggressive towards us on our forums.

There is another issue at hand, and that is that you have broken a four month long posting hiatus to come back for this. You wouldn't be trying to stir up trouble between Fallout Studios and SWR Productions, would you? You're obviously not here for the mods as you show no history of activity in those areas. In fact, what your history does reveal is that you are only here to argue with the SWR Leadership about how we run our forums. You thrive of conflict.

So here's my advice to you: stop trolling our forums and go back to Fallout Studios as it caters to your taste. Second of all, get a life.

[Overdose]

You must really like us AJ if you followed us all the way out here. So I have a message for you:

[Frostyarmy]

guess freedom of speech isnt exactly what i think it is

[Stinger]

You might want to expand on that statement because if you're going to knock out a vague reply expressive of less than a second's thought then I won't answer you.

Behave like a kid and you will be treated like one. You show us respect, we'll show you respect. Quid pro quo.

[Sharpnessism]

well one thing id like to say is that sometimes ZH players from the middle east have the same/very similar IPs

[Frostyarmy]

I think im rather nice if i help someone i don't know less then a user name to get back on a forum he really wanted
i dont have a problem with you people at all.

[Alias]

If he 'really' wanted to be a member, he wouldn't be a massive pain in the arse in his first post.

This post has been edited by Alias: 7 Oct 2009, 7:59

[ultimentra]

The US constitution doesn't apply on the internet, because the internet is not a country. I have learned this the hard way before, when I was much younger.

[/'J]

So to address something you said earlier, which was completely false and misleading.

I think that you've been overtly forceful here, and have tried, found guilty, and executed two members who are in fact innocent....

Generalh was being aggressive from the onset.

We do not tolerate this kind of behaviour here. Maybe you do where you come from, but we don't, and that is the difference.

You're trying to make an issue out of the banning when there was sufficient evidence in the first place to administer the ban.

There is a parallel to be drawn here, and that is if someone came into your home and started to shit talk you to your face, then you would remove/have that person removed from your dwelling, with no possible return. I see no reason why we should put up with people who make demands and are aggressive towards us on our forums.

There is another issue at hand, and that is that you have broken a four month long posting hiatus to come back for this. You wouldn't be trying to stir up trouble between Fallout Studios and SWR Productions, would you? You're obviously not here for the mods as you show no history of activity in those areas. In fact, what your history does reveal is that you are only here to argue with the SWR Leadership about how we run our forums. You thrive of conflict.

So here's my advice to you: stop trolling our forums and go back to Fallout Studios as it caters to your taste. Second of all, get a life.

Excuse me while I know take time out of my life to reply to something which is based on unfounded accusations, and contradictory in terms.

Firstly, to generalh, and to his brother, nuclear. Unbelievably, they are different people, something we seem to have already ascertained. Now, to quote you from the topic you so handily linked me to (not to mention that I was following anyways)

Generalh has just been given a two week suspension. There was no attempt on his part at an introduction so we are unable to look past his attitude. During the next two weeks he should work on his social interaction skills.

Now you see, this I would have understood, and not felt that it was necessary for me to break my 'hiatus' as you so call it. However, you then proceed to say:

Generalh and Nuclear are the same person. If the IP didn't confirm it, the writing/paragraphing style and proximity of the two posts did.

So, the reason for generalh's ban WAS NOT in fact because he has a crap manner of speaking, but because you felt that he was indeed the same member as nuclear. Now that has been discussed to the contrary multiple times by multiple people, wouldn't it be fair to unban the person you banned for the wrong reasons?

Secondly. Irony, thy name is Stinger. You tell me (unfounded btw)

You wouldn't be trying to stir up trouble between Fallout Studios and SWR Productions, would you?

And then, multiple times in your own post do exactly that:

go back to Fallout Studios as it caters to your taste.

We do not tolerate this kind of behaviour here. Maybe you do where you come from, but we don't, and that is the difference.

Sorry, but I'm not here trying to stir anything up at all. I had intended to post only the once, to point out that having known both of these people for over a year, it would perhaps be unwise that you ban them for being the same person. And yet, on my posting, you latch onto me like a limpet, and try and get one-over on me. I would suggest that you stop being so overly defensive.

Thirdly. Trolling. Me? You must be having a bloody laugh son. Trolling is being offensive, derogatory, and downright disrespectful. I have posted within the rules, used my own freedom of speech, and simply said that two people are in fact two people, not one person. Hardly what I'd define as trolling. I pride myself on being constructive, legible and friendly, and for you to suggest trolling suggests that you have a personal grudge against me, as you seem to have responded rather emotionally to a scenario that didn't require it in the first place. And discussions regards the way you run the forums? Since when was it a sin to do such a thing, and since when are you so insecure as to see it as trolling?

Fourth. You tell me to 'Get a life', I tell you to look at the board rules:

We endeavour to make the forums a fun place for all, thus we absolutely do not abide by any form of personal attack on our Members.

And yes I'd consider that a personal attack. You know very little about me or anything that I do/do not do in my life. I happen to enjoy spending it at University, which is the ultimate way in which to get a life. I'm sorry, but as a 'Leader', while you have certain rights that go above us normal members, that does not qualify you to make personal attacks, and walk away without fear of rebuke. If that is the case, I'm glad I've not posted much here.

Fifth. 'Hiatus'
Sorry, but some of us have the real world to attend to, and perhaps don't have time enough to spread across multiple forums. Your board software may tell you where I've posted and when I've logged in, but tbqh, most of the time I haven't bothered to log in as there has been nothing in particular to log in for. I can just as easily view the forums as a guest, and just because I have not logged in, does not mean that I am not viewing.

Sixth. 'Shit in my house'. I'd kick them out, but I'd let them back in again given a couple of weeks to cool off. If they continued to be idiots, then I'd get them out for good.

So, in summary, here's my advice to you. Don't be condescending towards other members; it makes you look bad. Don't abuse your position, especially with your emotions; it also makes you look bad. And don't assume that because I don't post much here that I'll roll over and play dead like a good little dog.

You must really like us AJ if you followed us all the way out here. So I have a message for you:

And cheers OD *grabs* *puts in pocket* *takes on the road*

Now, apologies for offtopicness, and good night.

Oh, and should you feel you have things to discuss, I'd suggest for the sake of this topic + forum that it take place over IM rather than posting.

This post has been edited by /'J: 12 Oct 2009, 5:42

[Frostyarmy]

You know what made that TL;TR post worth reading..... Its like watching HOUSE.

[Stinger]

I haven't bothered to log in as there has been nothing in particular to log in for. I can just as easily view the forums as a guest, and just because I have not logged in, does not mean that I am not viewing.

http://forum.falloutstudios.net/index.php?...st&p=668677

Let this not be seen as a 'I dislike SWR' post though - I still respect them for the mods that they produce, and wish them well in the future, but I am not sorry that they are gone.

Which makes me wonder why you bothered to register at all, and yet you followed us over here and have used sophistry in an attempt to undermine us. That, by definition, is trolling, Mister Eloquent Troll.

Now you will discover first hand how we deal with your kind. You're finished here.