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Posted by: Dominici 12 Jun 2013, 13:17

Name: Subcarrier

Fraction: USA

Role: light submarine/aircraft carrier

Weapons and abilities: Surfaced: Bulid/land/send/store aircraft, Point defense turrents/lasers. Sumerged: Speed.

Lore: The USAN got tired of the GLA blowing up thier aircraft carriers so looking back to some old designs of WWII they built the USAN Suncarrier.

Description: The Subcarrier when above water can do everything a carrier can do. When it is sumergered it can out run most larger ships.

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(Not about above idea) This is a small idea I had.

What about a blank hull that the player can put several different turrents on after it leaves the factory? It will come in different classes ( Destroyer, Cruiser, etc.).
It would work something like this: I (the player) would buy/produce a blank hull. I could use it as canon fodder, I could scout with it, use it as a dicration, or I could build on it. So lets say the hull that I built was a destroyer it would have a spot for one main gun slot, two point defense slots, and sixteen or so missle slots, or even build a helicopter pad on the back the possiblities are endless. Now these slots I could put anything I want in them that fits the catagory (five inch gun, ten inch gun, laser point defense, Ciwis, cruise missle, tomahawk missle,etc.). This process could be used for all fractions.

Posted by: V.Metalic 12 Jun 2013, 14:32

For the Subcarrier, it wont work. Overall the concept of "carrier in ZH" was alway problematic, because a unit cant work as an airfield to store visibly units. And building cant be mobile. The best way how to implement functional Carrier is by method of RotR WASP Hive (Stryker) by using drones for combat. And Aircraft Carrier (or for n5p29, Drone Carrier, he si really picky at this) is planned, if we will decide to make it with WASP Hive logic. A subcarrier would be redundant than.

The second idea, it is great, if it will not be for ZH. The engine would allow this, but it will require a considerable microing, and that would in part ruin the game both in its speed (the way how is played, not an actual game speed) and in part balancing (three types of weapons on single ship => counter most opposition). Also it will be pain in the ass to code, and even worse (if even possible) the AI behavior. The AI would probably not be able to adapt with the ships and will have to produce only the configurations made by coders (and coding so many combinations...)

Like I said, its a great idea and I agree with you it would be nice, but not for this game

Posted by: n5p29 12 Jun 2013, 14:42

much what V.Metalic said.
aircraft carrier like units are still debatable if they should be implemented because of their complexity of the coding, so it's least likely to be added (even the drone carrier).
also yeah, your second idea is just not fitting in our general design. it's more like for supreme commander rather than for C&C. although, we still have some modular units that can be upgraded to fill certain additional roles like the Overlord, but not potential to be anti-everything unit.

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and this for the people who will making future suggestions: Please use proper topic title instead "X-th Suggestion" or "An Idea". refers to http://forums.swr-productions.com/index.php?showtopic=4401.

Posted by: InsurgentCell 12 Jun 2013, 21:06

I think reborn 5.05 made some kind of helicoptor carrier, where the helicoptors circle around the carrier and attacked anything that got near it.

Posted by: V.Metalic 12 Jun 2013, 23:49

How differnet it is with drones if you switch "drone model" with "helicotper model"?

Posted by: Kalga 13 Jun 2013, 1:43

Drones won't gain experience nor will pilots bail out of them when they die...

... so in a sense there's a lot of coding hurdles to deal with.

Posted by: V.Metalic 13 Jun 2013, 9:28

Precisely. It is a big question among the team.

Posted by: Dominici 17 Jun 2013, 20:39

So in theory you could have carriers but only helicopters and drones? What about Vtols or SVTOLs, would they work?

Posted by: V.Metalic 18 Jun 2013, 8:02

Yes, if they will work as drones, so actually constantly flying above and around the carrier. They wont land or anything.