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Posted by: Generalcamo 3 Oct 2009, 3:38

I was playing the demo general when suddenly, while I was loading my battle buses with grenadiers, some giant swarm got me. I was playing on easy! I fought hard but his SCUDS got my army. ANY HELP OUT THERE?

Posted by: wicked1 3 Oct 2009, 4:05

Dont expand too fast, stay away from the edges of the cliff and dont capture ANYTHING not even the machine gun nest as i have found they tend to attack you shortly after you capture something. Only capture when you can properly defend yourself and whatever your capturing

Posted by: Erik 3 Oct 2009, 15:47

Dont think this belongs to the China section.

Posted by: Chyros 3 Oct 2009, 16:10

This is mostly just very hard for Thrax. Thrax sucks especially in Challenge mode since his units are very underpowered against just about any unit in any of the challenges and he can't use any of his specialties to any effect, while all his disadvantages count even more gravely; buggies cost more, ambush is much more impotent, Pythons can't do anything well, mobs can't get upgraded, etc.

Posted by: KamuiK 3 Oct 2009, 17:26

Yes, but this does not change the fact the map is bugged. The whole map is shrouded as well.

Posted by: Chyros 3 Oct 2009, 18:17

I'm not sure but this may be to shroud the demo traps. I'm not sure but I think they might show up on the map otherwise. Still, it's irritating, that's true.

Posted by: KamuiK 3 Oct 2009, 18:58

AFAIK when the map is first revealed and THEN refogged (alpha fog, not the black one), stealth buildings are not visible.

Posted by: Shock 3 Oct 2009, 20:27

The only thing I don't like is the stupid eternal rebuild- scud storm, forcing you to focus on building at least one or two asap and keep firing his down. A mindless continuity.

Besides that the map design and looks are pretty outdated, but that's not really the point.

Posted by: IonCharge 3 Oct 2009, 22:30

I beat him on hard while playing as Alexander... didn't find it all that difficult...

Posted by: Chyros 3 Oct 2009, 23:48

It's very easy to beat him as Alexander. In fact, just about all challenges are really easy with Alexander.

Posted by: Zhao 4 Oct 2009, 8:31

People should think before they post eh ? yeh i found it diffcult but i eventually beat it but i dont remember how

Posted by: Generalcamo 11 Oct 2009, 5:02

STILL could not destroy juhziz. And zhao, I tried the "Offence is a better defence but combat cycles got me. Any more tips?

Posted by: EddJimyDD 11 Oct 2009, 7:59

It also depends a lot in which general are you playing with. For example, with China generals you can build groups of four gattling cannons in a tight square formation, to counter both cycles and topol Ms missiles. These, backed up with a good air support, is a good defense. When using GLA, use quad cannons in formations with scorpions. In case of Thrax, its a bit more tricky. USA is the trickiest of all, as it has low stationary AA agaist missiles of that type, except Ironside and Townes.
The fact is, that if you can counter topols and marauders at the same time (not to mention rocket buggies), you´ve got a good defense against Juhziz where airforce and fast counters are the key to base supervivence.

Posted by: Generalcamo 21 Oct 2009, 15:35

Keep the tips flowing

Posted by: EddJimyDD 22 Oct 2009, 2:36

OK. Now lets talk about China generals.

First Fai, which FortGatCannons have a good probability of surviving. Build them in the formation mentioned above and you will beat him in no time. Use GatAPCs for fast transport and counter. His helixes are the most useful filled with a good combo of Minigunners and DBtank hunters.

Next is Tao, his is tricky as his defenses are underpowered compared to another ones. so use groups of gattanks and devastators or overlords. As these are expensive, Juhziz forces will target them. Remember to support with nuke migs.

Kwai can easily destroy missiles and cycles with his AP gatcannons. So place them in formations and support with Razors.

Leangs ones are the most expensive of all, but the most useful. Sentinel cannons are a difficult to beat defense. Just place them in a line and youre saved. It is difficult, so back up with gattanks first. Then with migs and bombers.

Ill post more tips later.

Posted by: n5p29 22 Oct 2009, 9:35

I think the problem with this stage is there is almost no difference (maybe really no difference) between easy, normal and hard difficulty.
Even in easy there already terror bikes hunting player dozers at start. I think there should be some time handicaps for easier levels.

Posted by: Жao 22 Oct 2009, 17:20

Wow..... you dont need more then 2 defenses Things could be done way easier making armies and i can prove how , you guys are probably playing on easy mode anyways.....
ill upload a few compstomps vs AIs when i return home from school

Posted by: Pickysaurus 22 Oct 2009, 19:30

As soon as you get your eco sorted this challenge is essentially in the bag.

Posted by: Generalcamo 23 Oct 2009, 2:18

Will someone from the developing team tell me if this map will be remade so that the bugs go away and that there are handicaps for easy?

Posted by: Жao 23 Oct 2009, 3:45

How about you actually do what i taught you to do on hamachi... and get better

Posted by: EddJimyDD 23 Oct 2009, 3:45

Hey! That´s not real! I play on HARD and I consider it difficult to beat him, that´s why I suppose everyone needs help about this! So don´t be saying EVERYONE plays on easy! (Sorry if it offends anyone)

Posted by: KamuiK 23 Oct 2009, 16:33

I agree. Жao, get a win replay hard-mode up, then we will talk further.

Posted by: Shock 23 Oct 2009, 16:46

USA is not really 'tricky' as they have very good aircraft.

Aircraft > anything Juhziz throws at you.

Posted by: Жao 23 Oct 2009, 17:37

Sorry , today is friday for me so ill upload 3 Replays of me vs hard armies and prove that armies are better

WITH 10k on tournament desert

Posted by: KamuiK 23 Oct 2009, 17:59

<.< Useless when the discussion is about Thrax vs Juhziz Hard GC.

Posted by: Жao 23 Oct 2009, 18:05

More useful then you think it is

edit: is there a way to upload a GC replay?

Posted by: KamuiK 23 Oct 2009, 18:08

Use a recorder program and post it on youtube, else not to my knowledge.

Posted by: Жao 23 Oct 2009, 18:09

Fraps any good?

people say it is but i always get poor quality

Posted by: Destiny 23 Oct 2009, 22:52

Quality doesn't matter as long as we see the gameplay.

Posted by: Жao 24 Oct 2009, 2:18

I cant compress it enouf Im getting like 20 GB for the entire game

Posted by: KamuiK 24 Oct 2009, 2:27

That is obviously too much. Sure you wrote the right letter? Anyway, ask Massey or Mike about that matter, they should know what to do.

Posted by: EddJimyDD 24 Oct 2009, 2:29

Yes, but till you can build an airfield he will overwhelm you. So you need something to stop him before that.

Posted by: Жao 24 Oct 2009, 2:34

Not true at all, commanche spam Pwns all.

Because its OP

Your also base everything on your prospective as i am mine /and all the other betatesters

Your probably not good with AFG are you?

Posted by: KamuiK 24 Oct 2009, 2:41

Жao, I say it again, we are talking about the Generals Challenge here, not some AI skirmish. You have to defend, build up AND attack at the same time while your enemy has a full base (1 and a half actually). I have no idea where you get your money from anyway before Juhziz blows you up, really.

Posted by: Жao 24 Oct 2009, 2:44

Yes but im not talking about some Skirmish AI eaither

Commanche spam does really own alot as the commanches have a Extremely decent amount of Armor , just put two afg defenses up on both flanks one ranger in the pillbox Chillax build up a eco and win , infact he has stealth fighters that down his defenses and Sneak attacks rather quickly

COUNTER MEASURES ARE WIN

Posted by: Pickysaurus 24 Oct 2009, 3:35

You know me too well KamuiK

Did you set the recording size to "Full Screen" - it'd be better as "Half Screen"

Failing that, just chuck it into a movie editing program and save. Should cut the size down.

Posted by: Destiny 24 Oct 2009, 4:22

Read the topic name...again. You are the Poison-everyone-you-meet General, not a retired pilot.



...on the other hand, it seems unlikely that a Thrax Stinger Site can blow up a demobike before it kamikazes into it...

Posted by: KamuiK 24 Oct 2009, 4:55

It cannot, considering the fact those come in pairs or triplets, and since they have a decent AoD, terror bikes speak for themselves.

Posted by: Жao 24 Oct 2009, 5:00

Toxin? lots and lots of Tunnels + Rocket buggies + Scoruges + AA (Stinger site clearing) pythons + jarmen kell and rader van and alot of expansion with lots and lots of micro.

besides Units can take care of demo bikes

Posted by: Sharpnessism 24 Oct 2009, 18:52

I played against Demo with Thrax on "Hard" for the first time ever, and won by making 5 SCUD storms and using sneak attacks. My defenses were more than enough for his forces, IMO it is fair to say he's very much beatable on "Hard".

The scud storms were necessary because I figured his stinger sites would just shoot down scourge missiles.

Just kill his SCUD Storm with 2 of your own, then sneak attack and destroy him from the inside out. Don't bother trying to make your way through the front (though it's possible to win like that, it'll take x2 as long). Survive early on by garrisoning 2 RPGs at the top left bunker, put a toxrebel in the MG bunker, and get a 3chev fully scrapped technical to deal with enemies. At the bottom, just make 2 tunnels and forget about it. Then get a few scorps, at the same time tech and make black markets and a few more defenses. I didn't start building my first SCUDSTORM until he already hit me with his, which actually didn't do much because there were no toxins to delay me from rebuilding lol. He hit me twice or 3 times (forgot) before I killed his SW. Spam black markets for money, then win.

Take 1 level of rebel ambush and use it when necessary against his artillery units, often he'll try to go under the cliff with TOPOLs, which is a perfect place for the rebel ambush, since there are buildings to garrison too

I spent my points on 3Cash Bounty, Anthrax Bomb, Sneak Attack, 1Rebel Ambush, Scrap Drop.

The demo traps helped me at some points lol, 1 tech was able to kill 2-3 tanks just by setting off a demo trap which set off 2 others IDK about the lower difficulties, but "Hard" is perfect IMO, perhaps the lower difficulties could have their difficulties lowered.

Posted by: Erik 24 Oct 2009, 19:00

use rebel ambush to capture his cc and scud storm, sell, wait for scuds. him to rebuild, do again. Gives nice cash. Hes very much beatable without building scuds. Fun fact you can even beat Alexander without making a SW (its a shitload of work and requires you to capture her particle cannon and a powerplant from her back base. took me 3 hours lmoa.

Posted by: Destiny 24 Oct 2009, 21:08

Sharp, what about those money crates and those two booby trapped derricks at the bottom?

Posted by: Sharpnessism 24 Oct 2009, 21:39

ah, forgot to mention, i actually used 5 rebels trying to capture them lol. first two died to demo traps, second two died to the booby trap, lost a 5th to a unit he sent.

looking back, i could have taken them with 2 rebels if i brought stealth detection. i didnt bother with money crates, and i didnt bother defending the derricks either but i DID capture the derricks for the $1k i get, plus i got some more $$$ before they were destroyed.

actually, i made a lot of mistakes because it was my first time but yea, it's possible to beat it on the first try, though it is pretty hard on the first try. im pretty sure i could beat it a lot more easily if i went through it again.

Posted by: Pickysaurus 25 Oct 2009, 4:24

So that means your game took over 1hr 35mins?

Posted by: Generalcamo 25 Oct 2009, 4:59

This thread is very big now. You guys have a lot of tips. Thank you. Hopefully this thread won't be left to rot. Thank you for the tips and keep the tips flowing. Perhaps I should make this a all around forum for all generals vs Juhziz. Please move this out of here and put it in the main battle bunker forum.

Posted by: Жao 25 Oct 2009, 5:51

NO General camo *Uses a movie like dramatic voice* dont make another STUPID THREAD!

Naw JK your fine.

Posted by: Sharpnessism 25 Oct 2009, 8:33

no? his SW came out fairly fast and hitting me 2-3 times is around 10-15 minutes

after i took out his SW, he lost pretty fast since i killed his base from the inside out, his other base i just SW'd to death

Posted by: Generalcamo 25 Oct 2009, 8:48

They really have to fix that bug.

Posted by: Sharpnessism 25 Oct 2009, 10:16

how is that a bug...

Posted by: KamuiK 25 Oct 2009, 13:47

It is a bug since the first time the SCUDy is build, it starts with 5 minutes. Btw, I played vs Kassad yesterday and wil go on today, after I reached Juhziz and beat him, I will post a strategy of mine.

Posted by: n5p29 26 Oct 2009, 6:39

@Жao:
I didn't say it's too hard, just I see no difference between all difficulties. because whatever difficulties I choose, the time/amount of attacks are all same.

Posted by: Generalcamo 24 Dec 2009, 7:57

At least NProject mod has differences. And that is a crazy new unit N5P29.

Posted by: LoneEagle 31 May 2010, 18:59

Only manged to beat him twice while playing as Alexander and Townes.

Posted by: Generalcamo 2 Jun 2010, 2:26

Uhhh, do you know how old this topic is? And welcome to the forums lone eagle.

Posted by: Skoony 2 Nov 2010, 3:01

Still waiting for Zhao's replay.

Juhziz is damned hard, I always play on easy, but I am able to beat him. (On easy.) The bad thing is the other generals are so easy it's not fun, like the tank general. But the moment I change to Medium and play against Granger, he carpet bombs my whole fucking base.