What detects stealth, and what merely scouts? A list for new folks and for me., Would love input and I think I may be missing some things. Options

[piratep2r]

So I get a little confused about how to detect stealth sometimes, and it has bitten me in the butt more than once. Often this is due to my misunderstanding of the basic mechanic, or due to changes from VZH or from SHW. Either way, my plan is to create a list (below) and edit it as people correct my misunderstandings. This is mostly for me (because I think I am missing some things) and partially for new players. Would appreciate help!

Note that I have divided each faction into "stealth detection" and "scouting but NOT stealth detection," since I've made the mistake in the past of thinking that some units that are merely scouts actually detect stealth (Pathfinders and signal intercepts are two examples of this ).

1A. GLA Stealth Detection

Unit: GLA Radar van
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: Detection Gear
Action required: none

Unit Action: Radar Scan from Radar van
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: Detection Gear on Radar Van
Action required: Click on sidebar or unit and deploy anywhere

1B. GLA Scout but NOT stealth Detection

Unit: GLA Radar van
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: none (ie, not upgraded)
Action required: none

Unit: GLA Worker
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: none

Generals Power: Informant
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: Generals Power Level 1
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: Deploy anywhere

2A. USA Stealth Detection

Unit: Sentry Drone
Tier 1
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: none

Generals Power: Spy Satelite
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: Generals Power Level 1
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: Deploy Anywhere

Building: Command Center with Search and Destroy upgrade (thanks Casojin)
Tier 2
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: Search and Destroy Upgrade
Action required: none
(Limit - 1 building, limited range, tech structure)

2B. USA Scout but NOT Stealth Detection

Unit: Flying Scout Drone from HQ
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: none

Unit Ability: Pathfinder Spotting
Tier 1
Prereq upgrade required: Generals Power Level 1
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: Pathfinder stationary and in spotting mode, target point selected
(LIMIT - limited range, small radius, unit can not move)

Generals Power: CIA Informants Map Reveal
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: Generals Power Level 1
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: Deploy

3A. China Stealth Detection

Unit: Troop Crawler
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: Forward Recon Scanning Gear
Action required: None

Unit Ability: Troop Crawler Forward Recon Varient Scan
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: Forward Recon Scanning Gear
Action required: Deploy on target
(LIMIT - limited range, small radius, unit can not move)

Building Ability: Scout Aircraft from Airfield
Tier 1
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: Deploy Anywhere
(LIMIT - Travel time delay, Aircraft can be shot down)

3B. China Scout but NOT Stealth Detection

Unit Ability: Hopper Tank Commander Binoculars
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: Select unit's "scout with binoculars" option
(LIMIT - Tank becomes immobile)

Unit: Listening Outpost
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: none

General Ability: Signal Intercept
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: Deploy
(LIMIT - reveals only units, not buildings)

Building Ability: Satellite Hack
Tier 2
Prereq upgrade requirement: Satellite Hack
Unit upgrade requirement: none
Action required: none
(LIMIT - Large Radius around enemy HQ only)

4A. Russa Stealth Detection

Unit: Conscript
Tier 1
Prereq upgrade required: IR goggles
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: none
(NOTE: makes any carrying transport a detector as well)

Building: Air Defense Component Tower
Tier 1
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: build air defense component on tower
Action required: none

General's Power: Targeting satellite
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: Generals Power level 1
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: Deploy Anywhere
(LIMIT - visible to enemy)
(NOTE - increases friendly unit firepower)

4B. Russia Scout but NOT Stealth Detection

Unit: Mishka Scout
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: none

Building: Radar Dome (thanks Casojin)
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: none

5A. ECA Stealth Detection

Unit: Dog
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: none
(LIMIT - Only Detects Stealth Infantry and mines!)

Building: Guard Tower (in detection mode)
Tier 0 (WF required)
Prereq upgrade required: generals power
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: set building to detect stealth

Unit: HQ recon helicopter
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: none
(LIMIT - computer controlled, orbits HQ)

Unit: Recon Sensor
Tier 1
Prereq upgrade required: none
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: deploy
(LIMIT - Only detects when deployed)

5B. ECA Scout Abilities that do NOT Detect Stealth

Unit: Fennek Sensor Pod deployed from Fennek
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: Generals Point level 3
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: Click Deploy on Fennek
(LIMIT - Deploys on-site from Fennek, does not move, limited sight radius, limited life)

Upgrade: ECA maphack/ Communication Satellite uplink
Tier 2
Prereq upgrade required: Entire map reveal upgrade from Com Center
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: none
(LIMIT - random occurrence, limited duration)

Building: Guard Tower (in observation/spotting mode)
Tier 0 (WF required)
Prereq upgrade required: generals power Level 1
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: set building to long range observation

Generals Power: Remote Bulldog Turret
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: generals power Level 3+
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: Deploy anywhere
(LIMIT - Terrain must already be visible where you wish to deploy this).

Generals Power: ECA Commandos
Tier 0
Prereq upgrade required: generals power Level 3+
Unit upgrade required: none
Action required: Deploy anywhere
(LIMIT - Plane para-drop travel delay, also Terrain must already be visible where you wish to deploy this).

NOTE FOR ALL FACTIONS: the units capable of clearing mines and demo traps can detect these stealth objects (and only these objects) at very short range. (Thanks knjaz!)

This post has been edited by piratep2r: 21 Mar 2013, 14:16

[piratep2r]

Note: I know that almost any unit can be used for scouting, and that many other offensive general's powers can be used for map reveal; I am listing the things here that are often used primarily for stealth detection or for scouting IMO. But I bet I've made mistakes, and hope to learn from y'all!

Also note that I tried to learn this info off of the wiki, but did not have much luck.

Thanks for reading the wall of text!

-P

This post has been edited by piratep2r: 22 Jan 2013, 1:39

[CheoRock]

This was very useful maifrend... Thanks for clear my doubts!

[WNxMastrefubu]

does search and destroy strategy center or Russia's radar station detect stealth?

This post has been edited by WNxMastrefubu: 22 Jan 2013, 6:32

[Casojin]

S&D Strat. Center = YES
Russian Radar Station = NO

[(USA)Bruce]

Good post, you should conbine them to make a tutorial or a handbook

[piratep2r]

Thanks for the notes Casojin; I've added them to the master list at top. Also, thanks for the support CheoRock and (USA)Bruce!

This post has been edited by piratep2r: 23 Jan 2013, 15:10

[melaw]

Is there a general rule on what defensive buildings detect stealth? If I'm not mistaken, the dushka DOES but USA's firebase DOESN'T...
The same for air-defenses... Patriot/Gatling can detect stealthfighters, can the skyshield?

Maybe you could add buildings to your list as well, you know, for new folks and for me^^

[piratep2r]

Is there a general rule on what defensive buildings detect stealth? If I'm not mistaken, the dushka DOES but USA's firebase DOESN'T...
The same for air-defenses... Patriot/Gatling can detect stealthfighters, can the skyshield?

Maybe you could add buildings to your list as well, you know, for new folks and for me^^

Hi Melaw!

So, I am almost totally sure that you are wrong about patriot, dushka, and Gatling. In ROTR as far as I know, they DO NOT detect stealth. If you are switching over from ZH or other mods (like I was) you can certainly get confused (like I did). Just thinking about it, the only factions that have stealth detecting base defenses AFAIK are RUS and ECA, but that is just off the top of my head.

Hopefully someone else can chime in and confirm/deny this (and your comment), since I won't have time to check it out until the weekend.

-P

[BaleEyedWarrior]

I think builder units (Dozers/Workers) can spot mines and hidden demos at short range.

[melaw]

Hi Melaw!

So, I am almost totally sure that you are wrong about patriot, dushka, and Gatling. In ROTR as far as I know, they DO NOT detect stealth. If you are switching over from ZH or other mods (like I was) you can certainly get confused (like I did). Just thinking about it, the only factions that have stealth detecting base defenses AFAIK are RUS and ECA, but that is just off the top of my head.

Hopefully someone else can chime in and confirm/deny this (and your comment), since I won't have time to check it out until the weekend.

-P

Hi!

Thanks for your reply... I did in fact not check those up explicitly.
But I have a vague guess that my stealthed units got detected near enemy stationary defenses.
On the other side I have experienced extrem havoc by stealth units inside my own base despite having some defenses around.

I also think I have seen a Dozer clearing up mines without detection units around.

Maybe this is just out of confusion or having played ZH a lot, but maybe some1 could run a quick test or already knows more about this matter.

(But I totally like the way ROTR changes the meaning of stealth in general)

This post has been edited by melaw: 20 Mar 2013, 19:17

[Knjaz.]

I think builder units (Dozers/Workers) can spot mines and hidden demos at short range.

More like, all units that can remove mines are capable of spotting them.


base defenses do not detect stealth units, with exception of one of Russia's air raid tower, and ECA's Guard tower in scanning mode.

[piratep2r]

Hi knjaz! I should have made it as clear as you did when I said only eca and russia had detector base defense.

Melaw - if you look at the big list you will see that it does actually have buildings on it already; its just that there are very few detector or scouting buildings. Both the buildings knjaz mentions are on the list.

I'm not sure I should add dozers to the list but maybe at the end as a note?

Thanks knjaz!

[melaw]

Thanks for the further explainations!