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Talking About: Rise of the Reds, ...some questions and concerns about ROTR :D
TheViking92
post 19 Jan 2018, 5:18
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Hello everyone!!! Happy new year!!!

I have several questions in my head about this amazing MOD. More than anything to understand this amazing work and your vision of the game.


First: Why did you decide to design the ECA faction with such futuristic and scifi technology?
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post 19 Jan 2018, 6:04
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QUOTE (TheViking92 @ 19 Jan 2018, 12:18) *
Why did you decide to design the ECA faction with such futuristic and scifi technology?








FUTURE

Sorry, I had to do it.

EDIT: Though in all seriousness, aside from an excuse to make a defense faction that "doesn't use power", you can link a lot of space and sci-fi stuff to Europe.

If you try to picture a scientific genius in your mind, it would most likely be an old man with glasses, white spiky hair, and a funny accent.

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post 19 Jan 2018, 6:52
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How does ECA have futuristic technology again?

They have a mobile space launch system that was repurposed into a neutron bomb launcher (Pandora)

They have an advanced exosuit for astronauts that was repurposed into a defacto Iron man suit, but my hunch is that the weapon options were always there, atleast the missiles for anti satellite measures.

They have a Tank that has flying Repair robots that repairs tanks, which has been around for around 20 years In the american arsenal and they still are a part of it.

What else is there? The Anvil bot? An AI that's AI could be perhaps put on par with Hunter Killers but given the production numbers and how rare anvil bots are does this count?


Exosuits is something that everyone would have in some way In the lore, however in game only the Europeans get it as a prototype system as no nation has really tried to mass produce this technology.Special forces of the Russians and Americans would still have It In a way or form.Why don't they have it in game? Well that'd be boring so just brush it off as "Its too heavy" or "Not needed"

Unless its the technology of raising naval gun turrets from the ground I don't see it "futuristic"
If its the whole "WE HAVE INFINATE POWER" thing, the US has been beaming energy down on earth for over two decades now

Compared to the weapons the US brings in, or the crazy technologies of the Russians have in store, I'm looking at you mr. Aleksander

Europeans dont have anything high tech that isn't rushed or stable put to use out of sole desperation,

Their buildings are 80's era cold war design with lots of concrete as they expected another GLA invasion+Getting nuked by the russians

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post 19 Jan 2018, 9:27
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QUOTE (TheViking92 @ 19 Jan 2018, 5:18) *
First: Why did you decide to design the ECA faction with such futuristic and scifi technology?

Your question should be why does it look so futuristic. To avoid the obvious "it actually exists, but in a different way". And the answer would be because it looks cool.
Ultra-Realism has never been a goal in rise of the reds. If it can be coded and it looks cool, it has potential to be added smile.gif


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post 19 Jan 2018, 18:46
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Hey ZEKE, a genius scientist like ...


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post 19 Jan 2018, 19:30
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futuristic???
are u serious????
are u on the earth? ohmy.gif


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post 19 Jan 2018, 20:55
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QUOTE ((USA)Bruce @ 19 Jan 2018, 1:52) *
How does ECA have futuristic technology again?


Europeans dont have anything high tech that isn't rushed or stable put to use out of sole desperation,
Their buildings are 80's era cold war design with lots of concrete as they expected another GLA invasion+Getting nuked by the russians



ECA High Tech: I want to say that the ECA faction has unique units that stand out in terms of technology: Mechanized Infantry (Venom Combat Armor / Robots of the Valkyrie Project), Manticore Tank and Pandora; Anvil Bot, Fenris Cryo Tank.
Solar Reactor is powerfull.
The Wotan Array and the Mole Minelayer are the most eccentric units of this faction (for me).

QUOTE (Maelstrom @ 19 Jan 2018, 5:27) *
It look so futuristic.


In short, the ECA faction has many curious things, it looks great and it's very cool.
BLESSED BE WHO HAD THE IDEA TO GIVE THIS FACTION HIS PECULIAR BLUE COLOR. beer1.gif laugh.gif

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post 19 Jan 2018, 22:10
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My next questions are:

2) how the SWR team does to evaluate when certain units of all factions need functionality improvements (example: travel speed, weapon recharge time, etc.)

3) on what factors do you base these evaluations to proceed to improve?

(These questions are techniques, about programming and software) cool.gif
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post 20 Jan 2018, 0:15
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4) how many new units can be added to the game (apart from the current ones)? Is there a limit of units?
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post 20 Jan 2018, 0:54
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5) Why give air power to GLA?
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post 20 Jan 2018, 1:00
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2) how the SWR team does to evaluate when certain units of all factions need functionality improvements (example: travel speed, weapon recharge time, etc.)


It's generally based on feedback, but can also be assessed intuitively on the basis of how the unit "feels" or how good it preforms its function.

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5) Why give air power to GLA?


It's to flavor the faction abit, and also to emphasise the fact that the re-formed GLA ,with its pseudo-capital in Central Africa, now holds more powerful connections to Arms Dealers and weapon suppliers due to accumilated wealth. This enabled them to operate a very small airforce. Gameplay wise, nobody expects the GLA airforce tongue.gif

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post 20 Jan 2018, 1:31
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QUOTE (TheViking92 @ 20 Jan 2018, 2:54) *
5) Why give air power to GLA?


Its also an Early alpha thing that was planned cut, and ROTR wants to bring back or ressurect Generals Alpha in many aspects,
Heres the video of it

Its around minute 1 for a few brief seconds, the American alpha raptor was YF23 hybrid of sorts, you can see alot of generals concepts that did make it to the game or you can find online in concept art in this video

Theres even an airfield in the alpha files, the Wiki says its an Me 262 but I dont by it

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post 20 Jan 2018, 1:59
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QUOTE (TheViking92 @ 20 Jan 2018, 1:46) *
Hey ZEKE, a genius scientist like ...

Albert Einstein in Red Alert 2 :v jajaja awbot.gif


Or Albert Einstein in real life tongue.gif


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post 20 Jan 2018, 15:47
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On the earlier subject of the ECA, they are not actually -that- high-tech if you discount the protocols. Most of their regular tech revolves around modern but pretty conventional weapons and equipment. The protocol stuff stands out because the ECA deployed these weapons during a period of extreme existential danger, i.e. war with Russia, sort of like how Nazi Germany also pushed all kinds of advanced but unrefined weapons into service towards the end of WW2. All of the protocol-related weapons (except for the neutron bombs and nerve gas) were also developed from civilian technologies specifically for the war effort: The nano repair system of the Manticore tank was originally used to maintain satellites, the Pandora was originally designed to fire supplies and small satellites into space as a cheap alternative to rockets, the Venom was developed from an experimental space suit, exo-skeletons were designed for medical purposes and the cryo laser was devised as an environmental-friendly coolant and possible tool to restore the Arctic ice. If it hadn't been for the war with Russia, all of these weapons wouldn't have entered service until several years later, if at all, but the urgency of the circumstances pressed them into early service alongside the more standard equipment.

That said, one could argue that the entire tech level of ROTR is an -understatement- of what technology around 2040-2050 would be like. Powered exoskeletons of some kind, railguns and militarised nanotechnology may very well not be rare prototype wonder weapons, but regular equipment for First World militaries by then, so if anything, the general tech of the ECA and the other factions may not be high-tech -enough- for the timeframe.

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post 20 Jan 2018, 17:18
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At least it can be argued that the decades of world crisis have slowed down scientific advancement significantly, especially in the old world. America, on the other hand, was never invaded and thus a relatively safe habour, so technological advancement in their region continued mostly undisturbed - resulting in the USA being the #1 high-tech faction we see in-game.


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post 21 Jan 2018, 4:38
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QUOTE (Zeke @ 19 Jan 2018, 21:59) *
Or Albert Einstein in real life tongue.gif



hahahahahahaha excellent answer!!! very funny laugh.gif
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post 21 Jan 2018, 5:02
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QUOTE (Mizo @ 19 Jan 2018, 21:00) *
"Nobody expects the GLA airforce" tongue.gif


Oh yes, that the GLA had air power ... actually that was a tremendous surprise. ohmy.gif

seeing from the original version of Electronics Arts, where this faction is shown as Terrorist Cell, also, going to our reality in the real world, it is natural to "equip better" this faction; a poor air force because they do not develop technology, but they (GLA) buy what they can from others. wink.gif av-7.gif
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post 21 Jan 2018, 5:40
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QUOTE (MARS @ 20 Jan 2018, 11:47) *
the general tech of the ECA and the other factions may not be high-tech -enough- for the timeframe.



QUOTE (Shiro @ 20 Jan 2018, 13:18) *
USA being the #1 high-tech faction we see in-game.



If you guys, you are right. If you allow me to correct, I will do it as Maelstrom said:
QUOTE (Maelstrom @ 19 Jan 2018, 5:27) *
Your question should be why does it look so futuristic.


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post 21 Jan 2018, 14:43
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It's for Aesthetic Reasons to give ECA a more distinctive look. You gotta admit those futuristic looking buildings do give an impression of sturdiness , something very fitting to the main doctrines they employ.


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post 1 Mar 2018, 2:32
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Hello again!!


Well ... without any intention of offending because I know it is a demanding job, I believe that ROTR needs more improvements according to its history line.

I see that there are units from 4 decades ago along with sci-fi units and that takes away some harmony.
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QUOTE (TheViking92 @ 1 Mar 2018, 3:32) *
Hello again!!


Well ... without any intention of offending because I know it is a demanding job, I believe that ROTR needs more improvements according to its history line.

I see that there are units from 4 decades ago along with sci-fi units and that takes away some harmony.


Its not unnatural to see weapons of older era being used along with modern weapons.

And plus, what sci-fi units are you talking about? The protocol units? Just imagine them as extreme cases. Most ECA units are 'harmonious' with the ECA theme.


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post 1 Mar 2018, 4:34
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USA have the futuristic weapon style.


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More seriously, the ECA is basically throwing everything at the wall and hoping some of it sticks at this point......I wouldn't be surprised if there were several protocols that didn't quite work that were tried alongside the 3 we see in-game. Ignoring those, and Aleksandr (Whose theme is that he's the Russian equivalent of COBRA or HYDRA or something), the US has the most "high-tech" kit. It's less obvious because they integrate it so thoroughly into their arsenal. The usage of drones, laser-guidance, PDLs, completely nonsensical materials tech (how else do they get the Crusader to fly) and energy storage (Battery-powered bases) being the most outstanding examples.

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love that ECA analogy, its so fitting. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (TheViking92 @ 20 Jan 2018, 0:54) *
5) Why give air power to GLA?


I brought this up before previously and got a load of abuse because of it! Yes i agree.... why the hell or how the hell can a so called GLA - sneaky/guerrilla warfare faction have an air force!? Even the stock Kamikaze is unrealistic. Now they have Helos and Jets lol. What next.... a Space satellite laser Arms department!?
GLA should be reverted back to its original roots of a guerrilla type faction.

Yes i also hope that the ECA does NOT end up looking like something out of Tiberium wars either. It should remain mainly as Bruce said... a concrete cold war era type faction with modern weapons etc. Not full of unrealistic Tiberium wars weapons! Stay Defensive.

Sorry if this offended anyone again. smile.gif

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