Behind the Bullet: Err Writers block Options

[Serialkillerwhal...]

I seriously can't think of what to put on BTH Episode 2, so yeah.
I'm taking any suggestions, gonna make a poll of them later and i'll work with whatever's popular.

[Svea Rike]

I seriously can't think of what to put on BTH Episode 2, so yeah.
I'm taking any suggestions, gonna make a poll of them later and i'll work with whatever's popular.

You seriously can't think of anything? Okay...

Why every infantry can survive a tank shell?
Why US Microwave Weapon disabling structures?
How does Paladin Point Defense Lasers work?
How come theres seemingly unlimited drone storage in WASP Hive?
What are the Sentinel schematics?
How come the Golem is swimming?
The ECA Medic revive?
The Engineers automatic repair?
How can you fit five soldiers into a technical?
The superweapon schematics, all of them?
The GLA's instant tunnels as well as instant heal?
The strange aircraft maneuvers when landing?
Why everything is so cheap?
How are vehicles built so fast?
Where does all the Oil Derricks come from?
Can an entire army fit into those tiny barracks?
Where is Cloudmakers base?
Hero units invisibility?
Why does the Guard Tower's machine gun need power to operate?
The Nukeneer?
Whats up with Black Lotus' hacking skills?
Where does the Hacker hack money from? EBay?
Listening Outposts with no camouflage yet they are hidden?
How can the Overlord aim?
The Nuke Cannon, Tomahawk Launcher, Rocket Buggy and Mortar Track?
Spectre Gunship flies very slowly in circles?
Grumble has only four tubes yet can fire unlimited missiles?
Russian Rubble Bunkers larger than the actual buildings?
Rangers surviving buildings collapsing with no damage whatsoever?
The Tesla Tank?
The Crusader's hover mode?
The Overlord's bunker?
The GLA's more than 100 years old tanks on par with future technology?
The Blackhawk can fit eight Rangers?

And of course the big baddie everyone scratches their heads about: the Manticore tank.

There, there you have a couple of suggestions. Personally I want the Manticore explained. It baffles me.

This post has been edited by swedishplayer-97: 12 Apr 2013, 18:32

[Karpet]

Wasn't there a new stasis thing for wounds DARPA invented? Do ECA medics use that stuff?

So, they would inject it into a wounded person and said person would be evacuated, thus saving a life.

[Joe Kidd]

Well after swedishplayers post,

Whats left?

BTW for the last time, neithe this mod or game are intened to be REALISTIC

[Maxner12]

You seriously can't think of anything? Okay...

More than half of those suggestions has one simple answer: cause of gameplay reasons. Like infantry surviving tank shells. If someone played any Company of Heroes game here, it's pretty noticable how the infantry can dodge and roll away from tank shells in that. Use your imagination and apply that to here as well.
The good ones would be those like how can the Crusader hover. Also what is kind of interesting is the railgun of the Pandora (besides the charging up lights, those are probably there cause of rule of cool applies).

[Karpet]

More than half of those suggestions has one simple answer: cause of gameplay reasons. Like infantry surviving tank shells. If someone played any Company of Heroes game here, it's pretty noticable how the infantry can dodge and roll away from tank shells in that. Use your imagination and apply that to here as well.
The good ones would be those like how can the Crusader hover. Also what is kind of interesting is the railgun of the Pandora (besides the charging up lights, those are probably there cause of rule of cool applies).

That and most tank shells could be made to be anti-armor (ever played Cold War Crisis? APFSDS or whatever rounds are optimized to be good against other vehicles. They don't really do jack shit against infantry. Only HE does much.) instead of HE. There aren't really big meaty explosions from tank shell hits, so I think my explanation fits (it's still a game that sometimes says SCREW LOGIC and that is why I love RotR)

[melaw]

Some of the points you mentioned are not unrealistic at all, so they don't need explanation...


Why every infantry can survive a tank shell?
Because tanks cannot aim good enough to kill infantry that is moving and hiding

Why US Microwave Weapon disabling structures?
Targeting a building's electronics

How does Paladin Point Defense Lasers work?
Not too far away from reality

How come theres seemingly unlimited drone storage in WASP Hive?
Same question as Grumbles further down. Can be ignored because RTS usually ignores ammunition limits.

The ECA Medic revive?
Dead infantry = immobilized... besides that you are questioning infantry healing itself

How can you fit five soldiers into a technical?
2 in the cab and another 3 in the bed

The strange aircraft maneuvers when landing?
You find them strange? Fits the requirements perfectly. More realistic behaviour would render airfields huge

Why everything is so cheap?
Would you be satisfied if everything would cost a thousand times more?

The Nukeneer?
Google for Davy Crockett, the nukeneer exists.

Whats up with Black Lotus' hacking skills?
Where does the Hacker hack money from? EBay?
Probably hacking international bank accounts and stuff. I guess it's common in real life.

How can the Overlord aim?
Was answered somewhere else: The first shot moves the turret by recoil so that the second shots hits exactly

The Blackhawk can fit eight Rangers?
First blackhawk series could transport 11 soldiers


Now I really hope I haven't misunderstood this whole thread^^

[(USA)Bruce]

Why is everything so cheap?

You dont prouduce any units from your warfactories or barackes

You deplyo them and esemble them pieace by pieace so that means your nation has billions in stock, especially china.....Heck russia drops free ones to commanders with ties to the depos.

As for captured buildings, how can GLA get stealth fighters?

If a building gets captured the suppliers are tricked about it and still give them the parts
If a hq is captured; they hire civlians or use tourists to man dozers and build stuff and parts from previous US bases or depos left behinde....

[Svea Rike]

Why is everything so cheap?

You dont prouduce any units from your warfactories or barackes

You deplyo them and esemble them pieace by pieace

So you're saying infantry are assembled piece by piece? Robots...

[Serialkillerwhal...]

here's a simpler version.
They left out 2 zeroes. A squad equipped with M16A4s M2013 Full bulletproof vests and a intergrated HUD would cost 23000$ while a flying tank would cost 90000$

The thing is, nothing i can think of is worth a full post. I need something big for a full episode. That's the problem. Most of this can be handwaved easily, it's the really out there stuff like tesla coils that i'm working on.

This post has been edited by Serialkillerwhale: 13 Apr 2013, 3:42

[Karpet]

here's a simpler version.
They left out 2 zeroes. A squad equipped with M16A4s M2013 Full bulletproof vests and a intergrated HUD would cost 23000$ while a flying tank would cost 90000$

The thing is, nothing i can think of is worth a full post. I need something big for a full episode. That's the problem. Most of this can be handwaved easily, it's the really out there stuff like tesla coils that i'm working on.

Lasers?

That seems good enough to base an episode on.

[X1Destroy]

OK, so can anyone explain why the Han can fire it's dual 100mm cannons constantly without the fear of the recoil will damage the damn thing?

How come most tanks does not have any kind of coaxial MG or turret mounted MG to kill infantry effectively, while in RL all of them have?

How the fuck can a mini tank like a hopper use a nuclear engine? How the fuck can a Helix be as big as an Overlord while in RL they're much smaller than the Hind?

Why the hell are Chinese using American Nuclear Weapons and Russian Aircrafts?

Why would Bradley have ranger when he is marine?

And yes, there's more.

This post has been edited by X1Destroy: 13 Apr 2013, 7:19

[SpiralSpectre]

Almost every single one of the questions so far can can be handwaved saying the tech on ROTR-verse developed differently than that of RL.

Actually the real questions are,

How are vehicles manufactured/assembled in tiny warehouses in middle of the battlefield?

Which higher power places those supply heaps across the battlefield?

How do GLA tunnels work as instant teleporters?

Anyway gotta love these quasi "point out all your thirst for realism" threads.

[MARS]

OK, so can anyone explain why the Han can fire it's dual 100mm cannons constantly without the fear of the recoil will damage the damn thing?

Likely an oversight by whoever wrote the Han's description several years ago. Probably wasn't quite aware of how patently ridiculous it'd be to mount two rapid-fire 100mm cannons on a helicopter like that. Like the Crusader's seemingly undersized gun, this is one of those technical oddities you'll have to live with unless we ever decide to overhaul the models which would allow me to post a retcon description saying its a refined/adapted version of the same unit or something.

How come most tanks does not have any kind of coaxial MG or turret mounted MG to kill infantry effectively, while in RL all of them have?

Acceptable Breaks From Reality due to classic C&C gameplay dictating that tanks must not be effective against infantry. Half the in-game balance hinges on this notion.

How the fuck can a mini tank like a hopper use a nuclear engine? How the fuck can a Helix be as big as an Overlord while in RL they're much smaller than the Hind?

While you can build a nuclear reactor of a size that'd fit into a Hopper - assuming it'd have the dimensions of a comparable RL vehicle, a Wiesel AWC for example - the shielding would make it bigger, but then again, ROTR China probably doesn't give a shit about that kind of safety issue. Their Isotope Stability upgrade is quite ridiculous in and of itself - a stable isotope isn't radioactive, thus useless for nuclear reactor - but due to its in-game effect, we could assume that it has something to do with fail-safes or shielding. As for the Helix, we are yet to decide whether it's ROTR incarnation will actually be able to carry something this big.

Why the hell are Chinese using American Nuclear Weapons and Russian Aircrafts?

They're using foreign designs, not weapons. They haven't -bought- an American tactical nuclear shell from the 50s, they've built their own and their 'MiG' Fighter could easily be explained as a Chinese rip-off model of the actual MiG 1.44. The Hellfire MiG is a licence-built version of the 60s era MiG-21 which the Chinese built long before the events of ROTR or Generals, before the Sino-Soviet split even.

Why would Bradley have ranger when he is marine?

Gameplay Story Segregation. His in-game focus is tanks, not infantry and due to design reasons, only one General per faction can have a unique MBT/basic infantry. He does have Vanguards however, so you might as well wonder why Air Force General Griffon and Army General Bradley get Marines as well. It does fit the idea of combined arms warfare and joint operations between the different branches however.

[X1Destroy]

Agree.

Gameplay wise, realism is not important. But lore wise sure that just won't fit.

But explaning ridiculous thing with realism logic is the purpose of this thread, after all

[(USA)Bruce]

So you're saying infantry are assembled piece by piece? Robots...

Infantry is standing at the ready to be deployed?
or erm.....You HAVE the men but thier equipment is costly?

As for the tunnel network, It doesnt Instantly teleport units, but rather the GLA is like a whole network of terror cells, So If you give lets say 6 buggies to the tunnel network,
In wich every tunnel exit has a few buggies, then each exit can spawn it.You reap what you sow, no freebies.....

As for captured stuff and ranked units erm......Veterans volenteer if they serve the cause and grant the gla a veteran unit?

The chineese thing is simple; They copy everything for themselves....

[Svea Rike]

Well then, there is only one option left I presume, Serial: the Manticore. Explain it please, it has so much explanation. For example, the interior compartments, the Nano machines and their hard-as-rock foam, the vehicle shield and engine upgrades and the massive firepower the vehicle possess. If not, you might wanna think into some of the more, how do we put this, "goofier" designs, such as hovering Crusaders and the Nuke Cannon. If that's not an option, why don't you explain the superweapons. Is it even possible for a big gatling gun like the Tremor to exist, and how does the US mirror satellite work? There is A LOT to cover.

[Genmotty]

Why every infantry can survive a tank shell?
Ninja skills + it's a game

Why US Microwave Weapon disabling structures?
Easy, EM waves set up standing waves in metal structures and electronics, these waves induce electrical currents in equipment and power infrastructure forcing them to need to be shut down. It's impossible to put a Faraday cage around everything + it's a game.

How does Paladin Point Defence Lasers work?
Zzappy laser beam toasts the warheads explosive charge. Boom! + it's a game.


How come theres seemingly unlimited drone storage in WASP Hive?
How comes there's seemingly unlimited ammo for tanks and infantry too etc? Invisible logistics crews (motivational anybody?), Delivering RTS ammo since 1988!

What are the Sentinel schematics?
Polygons on a computer

How come the Golem is swimming?
Archimedes principle. Real physics f*ck yeah!!!!

The ECA Medic revive?
Gah, the soliders were faking it!

The Engineers automatic repair?
"Nano machines are working fine!...I think"

How can you fit five soldiers into a technical?
Don't you mean 7? Remember there is a driver and gunner as default! It's a pickup truck! People can jump on the back of it (they are just wearing camo to make it look like there is only the man on the gun)...

The superweapon schematics, all of them?
Moar polygons!

The GLA's instant tunnels as well as instant heal?
Doctor who is actually working for the GLA and all tunnels are just camouflage for the TARDIS.

The strange aircraft manoeuvres when landing?
What strange manoeuvres, never been in a real life aircraft when its been circling waiting for clearance to land...?

Why everything is so cheap?
Rampant deflation prior to period / Never left the gold standard, a 1$ is like $1,000 in the Generals Universe

How are vehicles built so fast?
3D printers.

Where does all the Oil Derricks come from?
Fracking. Just the devs haven't changed the tool tip name yet (hinty hint?)


Can an entire army fit into those tiny barracks?
No.

Where is Cloudmakers base?
Cloud 9.

Hero units invisibility?
Ninja school, Osaka, Japan.

Why does the Guard Tower's machine gun need power to operate?
Electrically Motorised MG mount for heavy machinegun.

The Nukeneer?
Davy Crockett?

Whats up with Black Lotus' hacking skills?
1337

Where does the Hacker hack money from? EBay?
Your personal bank account (in reality, the Kim families secret Swiss bank account that has been embezzling money from North Korea for decades + they just make the money up out of thin air like bank loans...'cept these ones will never be paid back).


Listening Outposts with no camouflage yet they are hidden?
Very good point! I think the team should make LP a bit more like the Ural trucks or GLA Command Truck, or unstealth them.

How can the Overlord aim?
How do battleships aim?

The Nuke Cannon, Tomahawk Launcher, Rocket Buggy and Mortar Track?
Nuke Cannon - Nuclear Shell Artillery
Tomahawk Launcher - Tracked chassis base to carry missile
Rocket Buggy - A Buggy with wire guided rockets
Mortar track - A motar in an open topped tracked vehicle. Haz Autoloader for teh winz!

Spectre Gunship flies very slowly in circles?
Experimental Anti grav... No, it's a game scales totally off, same reason why planes are so slow, and men are tank sized

Grumble has only four tubes yet can fire unlimited missiles?
Invisible logistics crews reloading the tubes already fired.

Russian Rubble Bunkers larger than the actual buildings?
Not all the time, you know when a building collaspes/blows up, rubble is scattered far and wide...

Rangers surviving buildings collapsing with no damage whatsoever?
Holographic buildings (really American structures are just tents that a made to look like proper buildings through snazzy billboard technology developed in the 1990s and sold to the US Defence department for $XX trillion, and the soul of Benji Franklin)

The Tesla Tank?
Tesla coil, on a tank.

The Crusader's hover mode?
Inflatable rubber treads + jet turbine engine in back can be rerouted like a hovercrafts engine under the tread skirt...America! flying tanks! Gonna save the m*therf*cking day yeah!


The Overlord's bunker?
Bunker on a tank, kinda like a metal pillbox...Look a the German standardised six machine-gun pill boxes used on the Atlantic wall, basically that, but on an overload chassis.

The GLA's more than 100 years old tanks on par with future technology?
Sonic screwdrivers.


The Blackhawk can fit eight Rangers?
Should be able to carry 11, but well, these days Americans are so lasy with drones and have eaten so much junk food that they are now 'American Sized!'.


And of course the big baddie everyone scratches their heads about: the Manticore tank.
Some people say its the 'New Tank Smell' Air-fresher on the dash board...Others say it's all to do with the new traction assist AI....All I know is that it's driven by the Stig!

This post has been edited by Genmotty: 13 Apr 2013, 12:23

[Serialkillerwhal...]

How come most tanks does not have any kind of coaxial MG or turret mounted MG to kill infantry effectively, while in RL all of them have?

Budget cuts.

How can you fit five soldiers into a technical?

Mexican Training

Rangers surviving buildings collapsing with no damage whatsoever?

Not all of them sruvive, just the ones you see.

Can an entire army fit into those tiny barracks?

The Barracks is a staging area.

Where does the Hacker hack money from? EBay?

Anywhere and everywhere.

The Tesla Tank?

Episode 1

The Crusader's hover mode?

Lightweight plastic armor, next-generation engines.

The GLA's more than 100 years old tanks on par with future technology?

100 year old and some scrap retrofits+more of them than the other guy.
In china's case, it's just Made-in-china crap vs. Pile-of-scraps crap.

Listening Outposts with no camouflage yet they are hidden?

Ok yeah, some stuff I can't handwave without saying "Cloaking field" so yeah cloaking field.

This post has been edited by Serialkillerwhale: 13 Apr 2013, 12:53

[Svea Rike]

Alright then. Now do the Manticore or Pandora. By the way, when I mean schematics I mean blueprints of the vehicle and how they work. Such a big gun on a tank with smaller mass than the Overlord would tip it over.

[Serialkillerwhal...]

Such a big gun on a tank with smaller mass than the Overlord would tip it over.

A: It's nearly the same size
B: Railguns don't impart all the force at once, thus lowering the recoil shock
C: The recoil is forced downwards, meaning that the tank won't flip over
D: If that were true, artillery at all wouldn't exist.

[Svea Rike]

A: It's nearly the same size
B: Railguns don't impart all the force at once, thus lowering the recoil shock
C: The recoil is forced downwards, meaning that the tank won't flip over
D: If that were true, artillery at all wouldn't exist.

True in all but I meant the Sentinel if you meant the Pandora, because the Sentinel has no railgun. That tank has smaller mass than the Overlord (even though its spaced out so it looks bigger).

[Serialkillerwhal...]

Well in that case, look closely, the entire tank seems to be built around the gun, it's gun is designed to push back a large amount when it's fired, the shell itself apears to be a low-velocity HEAT shell, which means it won't have to fire as much propellant since HEAT doesn't rely on kinetic energy to penetrate.

To be honest, i'm more suprised the overlord works considering whatever idiot (in-universe) that designed the thing is either relying on it's own recoil to turn the turret and fire the second gun or just plain retarded (YOU COULD FIT A TANK BETWEEN THOSE GUNS).

[Svea Rike]

Well in that case, look closely, the entire tank seems to be built around the gun, it's gun is designed to push back a large amount when it's fired, the shell itself apears to be a low-velocity HEAT shell, which means it won't have to fire as much propellant since HEAT doesn't rely on kinetic energy to penetrate.

To be honest, i'm more suprised the overlord works considering whatever idiot (in-universe) that designed the thing is either relying on it's own recoil to turn the turret and fire the second gun or just plain retarded (YOU COULD FIT A TANK BETWEEN THOSE GUNS).

Hm, that makes all sense. You seem to know more about the tanks SWR have designed more than SWR themselves.

Concerning the Overlord, and well any other Chinese tank, how is it possible for them to run on nuclear power?

Well Serial, have you figured out what to wright about in the next episode?

This post has been edited by swedishplayer-97: 13 Apr 2013, 18:58

[X1Destroy]

Right now for me nothing more retarded than Black lotus capable of capturing GLA structures which doesn't use a single computer in the first place. Any explanation?

And also, how come mortar pit require power? Why the hell can a tunnel network be turned off?

This post has been edited by X1Destroy: 13 Apr 2013, 19:05