China, A question Options

[XoGamer]

Due to the US redesign in 1.87 and GLA''s redesign in 1.85, is it safe to assume that China might be getting a redesign? For me, China feels the least changed and therefore it feels like it has the blandest gameplay out of all the factions due to it being too close to its original ZH gameplay.

However, it's completely acceptable if you want to keep all those features and redesigns etc. Until 2.0 and don't want to spoil anything.

Thanks.

[Mizo]

Horde Bonus system, which as it was said is very easy to be "activated

How does this remove the need of troop crawlers and classic tactics? You can still do infantry Transportations within Troopcrawlers, and they are still an important source Propeganda.

Also why wouldn't horde be passed by all units? The main idea is that the red army feel inspired fighting near each other, that it makes them fighter. I don't think this is a mechanic flaw ( to extend something that was slightly trivial and unimportant in vanilla generals to something essential for most of their units to operate at optimal capacity). It can be argued that it's easier to achieve in order to make hording more user-friendly rather than having your core units only rely on being in groups of 5 to get their normal unit efficiency. It also helps to keep very powerful artillery/other units like infernos so that they need the horde bonus to preform normally rather than having them at their optimal efficiency from get go ( essentially would require ridiculous nerfs to balance out). It's easier to factor in horde bonus for all units at this point, since it makes scaling firepower of spammable cheap units easier , while also fitting in the main faction theme that is mass numbers.

Black Napalm is already a redundant upgrade that fit the ZH proposal but not the current ROTR proposal.

Doesn't make any sense, since the upgrade is unique to General Mao. This is one of the ways to give him "better infernos/hellfires/Dragon Tanks , and upscaling his unique shenlongs rather than having some generic "qhite Napalm" or "Advanced Inferno cannon" or "advanced Dragon Tank" that really serves no distinction other than being a statistically better unit. , which is typical and boring.

This method of passing a current upgrade that seems generic and boring to turn it into something more exotic ( as a unique upgrade ) is going to probably be applied elsewhere.

Nuke: Wisely in vGen China's nuclear power was restrained to the max (Nuke Cannon, "nuke tanks") and the most powerful upgrades were devoted to this issue for obvious reasons. In ROTR these powers were released indiscriminately

This still doesn't address what I stated above. What other theme could be applied to replace nuclear based weapons that wouldn't be copy paste or a rip-off of other weapons from other generals while still fitting within the specialty of what Mao has to offer , which area firepower.
It's all about diversity, fitting playstyle, and playing off by the rule of cool ( because while you feel nuclear weapons are saturated now, other people enjoy the blasts and find it rather cool).

it could be much more inspiring to think in a China

Implying that this should replace nuclear weaponary? ( because screaming at people with zeal.and patriotism will cause the same.effect on the enemy as of that of a nuke , but that's probably not what you meant). Also this theme bas already been expanded upon, through Frenzy and Spotlight War Propaganda, and the game engine can't really handle any more types buffs so really, what else can you do with it?

Mass Mobilization": Something that seems to be very cool at first sight, in practice not so much; probably this theme has ruined a good part of the gameplay

The spam theme ruined China as a whole? I wouldn't really state this as an objective fact because a good portion of the community here do enjoy large armies.
I could aegue that this theme is a nessessity to create a faction that feels unique from the other 4 , while not having any overlaps ( because REALLY what else can you make China be based on theme wise? Cost efficent tanks that are high quality is covered by Russia, fanaticism and sacrifice is covered by GLA, artillery is covered by ECA, what else can China do that would make them completely stand out from the rest that is possible within the game's engine?

If you come up worth 1 theme, then divide it into 3 generals, thst has to carry the main faction theme, 1 of them being the exaggerator of that said theme.

Again this is for diversing the factions to fit unique RTS playstyles, not to make China authentic and 'interesting' ( that comes as a second priority). Heck what a guy may find boring, can be interesting to.others , so it's better to set styles for everyone to get unto, which again, judging by your distaste to the abundance of nuclear weaponary, and spam being a brain dead tactic, China is probably not something you would find personally fun, but others would.

I would also like to explain that China's gameplay learning curve is minimal compared to the other factions,

Been like this since 1.7, China has always been a Beginner friendly faction that's easy to get into, play as and win with. By that I don't mean that it's a newb faction , but rather it's a faction that's rather straight forward and easy to get into, due to their initial simplicity. It also offers deeper mechanics for veterans to abuse and have fun, for example mixing spotlight ECM tanks with overcharge ect...

Russia and.China are easy-to-learn factions, good for.casuals and people who are new. There is nothing wrong in having 'simpler' factions. Not everything has to mechanically intricate like USA or ECA , or have alot of sneaky options as GLA.

This post has been edited by Mizo: 28 Mar 2017, 17:31