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[Revan]

This is incredibly awesome, related to my desired job (robotic's engineer) and even originates in my country, from one of the two big technical universities, to the other of which I plan on going to and I hadn't heared of it, lol. I see it as quite a big step in direction AI, which is definitively an important step into the right direction and will help us understand especially ourselves better.

Anyway, it has been mentioned in this topic before, how can an AI designed to imitate human behaviour be any more dangerous than humans which are granted the same power? And just because it is based on computer programming doesn't mean it can automatically control the internet or other machines any more than us humans do. It's not like we can have Chimpanzees do our bidding just because we're evolutonary related to them.

This post has been edited by Revan: 22 Aug 2009, 16:00

[Shiro]

This is incredibly awesome, related to my desired job (robotic's engineer) and even originates in my country, from one of the two big technical universities, to the other of which I plan on going to and I hadn't heared of it, lol. I see it as quite a big step in direction AI, which is definitively an important step into the right direction and will help us understand especially ourselves better.

Anyway, it has been mentioned in this topic before, how can an AI designed to imitate human behaviour be any more dangerous than humans which are granted the same power? And just because it is based on computer programming doesn't mean it can automatically control the internet or other machines any more than us humans do. It's not like we can have Chimpanzees do our bidding just because we're evolutonary related to them.

The problem what most people have with AI is that AI can be corrupted via virus programms etc. However, men can also be corrupted - with money, and that is what most people likely forget.

[Alias]

Anyway, it has been mentioned in this topic before, how can an AI designed to imitate human behaviour be any more dangerous than humans which are granted the same power? And just because it is based on computer programming doesn't mean it can automatically control the internet or other machines any more than us humans do. It's not like we can have Chimpanzees do our bidding just because we're evolutonary related to them.

The one thing computers have over us is speed.
A computer could corrupt hundreds of thousands of other computers in the same time it would take a human to corrupt a few.
A computer could launch dozens of missiles in the same time it would take a human to launch one.

What you're saying here is it's as easy to steal Usain Bolt's wallet as it is to steal an old lady's handbag. They're the same thing but one of them is a lot faster at doing what it needs to do: getting the wallet/handbag back. Thus just like Usain Bolt's wallet is something you don't want to steal, you don't want to have sentient computers either. They might have the same power as a human, but they could do a wrong thing a lot faster and more efficiently.

[Shiro]

The one thing computers have over us is speed.
A computer could corrupt hundreds of thousands of other computers in the same time it would take a human to corrupt a few.
A computer could launch dozens of missiles in the same time it would take a human to launch one.

What you're saying here is it's as easy to steal Usain Bolt's wallet as it is to steal an old lady's handbag. They're the same thing but one of them is a lot faster at doing what it needs to do: getting the wallet/handbag back. Thus just like Usain Bolt's wallet is something you don't want to steal, you don't want to have sentient computers either. They might have the same power as a human, but they could do a wrong thing a lot faster and more efficiently.

Interesting, and WHO says that AI could/will be dangerous once they become sentient? The main cause of faulty systems are the humans building them.

[Alias]

Sentience by definition is being aware of one's surroundings and being able to act in a manner to survive.
In terms of nature, typically the top dog survives the most, and the top dog has to get there by bullying the underlings.
Even though it won't happen immediately it's certainly going to happen soon enough.

Sentience is something that should be kept away from computers.

This post has been edited by Alias: 22 Aug 2009, 20:10

[Shiro]

Sentience by definition is being aware of one's surroundings and being able to act in a manner to survive.
In terms of nature, typically the top dog survives the most, and the top dog has to get there by bullying the underlings.
Even though it won't happen immediately it's certainly going to happen soon enough.

Sentience is something that should be kept away from computers.

The question is: do we have the right to say who is allowed to be sentient and who is not? Sure, we humans are the main species on this planet, however we do not stop to kill each other over small, nearly obsolete disputies? Would it make a difference if we were killed by other humans or -robots- ?

[Alias]

We are the creator of robots hence it is our choice what to do. The reason we "don't stop" to kill eachother is because of our sentience. It causes us to be greedy and self-centred.
Therefore the less sentient beings there are the better.

[Pickysaurus]

If computers become sentient they'll look down on the human race in shame. I'd say initially trying to help, but that same impulse to help would trigger and iRobot situation using computing logic

[Revan]

The one thing computers have over us is speed.
A computer could corrupt hundreds of thousands of other computers in the same time it would take a human to corrupt a few.
A computer could launch dozens of missiles in the same time it would take a human to launch one.

What you're saying here is it's as easy to steal Usain Bolt's wallet as it is to steal an old lady's handbag. They're the same thing but one of them is a lot faster at doing what it needs to do: getting the wallet/handbag back. Thus just like Usain Bolt's wallet is something you don't want to steal, you don't want to have sentient computers either. They might have the same power as a human, but they could do a wrong thing a lot faster and more efficiently.

In order for any machine to be corrupted the sentinent machine would first have to gain access to other machines. There is no reason it would have any more access to other machines than any other hacker's computer. Of course you could give it access but why would you? Artificial Intelligence is scientifically too interesting to not develop, but they can easily be studied without hooking them up to any other machines.

[Shock]

Furthermore, if a sentient machine has a way of 'corrupting' thousands of other computers because of it's own hardware speed, then why can't man, who for god sake programmed the AI, do the same thing by controlling non-sentient hardware by himself.

The leftover hiccup here is when the AI gets too smart and learns to program itself, at which point the brainpower will outsmart humanity.

Although, really, by the time that is evolved, the internet and computer networking will undoubtedly have changed in such a way that this discussion needs to be restarted by then.

[Sgt. Damien]

STAAAAAARSCREEEEEEEAM!

ROFL

[Jester]

Its more like Futurama than T2 if 'ifyaknowwhatImean.'

i hope robots do end up like bender ''Bite My Shiny Metal Ass''

[Shiro]

Hopefully they will not require alcohol for their fuel cells <.< >.>