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SWR Productions Forum _ Frontline News _ Patch 1.851 Development Update
Posted by: The_Hunter 26 Apr 2015, 12:07
As of the upcoming Patch 1.851, the GLA will have access to a third Mercenary unit. Available as early as Tier 0, the Runner is the most lightweight and cheapest of the three Mercenary types. His primary armament is a machete which is now exclusive to him and allows him to close in quickly with enemy infantry in order to deliver a killing blow. Alternatively, he can switch to a reliable pump-action shotgun for up-close engagements, making him an excellent close quarters combatant.
Not only does the Mercenary Gunner now come in three different visual variants, but his functionality has also been modified: His ability to dig a foxhole has been removed and replaced in favour of a more straightforward stance switch, allowing him to change between walking stance and prone stance. When prone, the Gunner will receive a damage resistance boost and fire his machine gun without interruption as opposed to the bursts he would fire when standing. When ordered to go prone, the Gunner retains his ability to move, albeit at a slow crawling pace, so altering back to walking stance is advised when it comes to taking the fight forward.
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Posted by: Svea Rike 26 Apr 2015, 12:30
I'm only in it for da coin! Or in my case, this update.
Posted by: Karpet 26 Apr 2015, 12:33
The hands of the infantry remind me of the T-1000, but maybe it's just me..
Posted by: Emin96 26 Apr 2015, 12:42
some changes to mercenary nice nice 
Posted by: RikerZZZ 26 Apr 2015, 12:44
no i see it too lol
Anyway, i take it this new Mercenary is designed to take out tech capturing units?
EDIT: Miss-read the description lol
Posted by: Giveaway412 26 Apr 2015, 12:50
Very nice changes.
Will we see the Mercenaries get different voices for the different types?
Posted by: The_Hunter 26 Apr 2015, 12:52
In the future likely but i can't guarantee that this will be the case in the patch.
Posted by: GDIZOCOM 26 Apr 2015, 12:54
The link to the countdown for the stream seems broken, yes?
Posted by: The_Hunter 26 Apr 2015, 12:56
You were right.
should be fixed now.
Posted by: SiR Chaff 26 Apr 2015, 13:18
Will these new Merc Runners also benefit from Camouflage upgrade ??
If so, I can already think of ways to troll the enemy 
Posted by: The_Hunter 26 Apr 2015, 13:32
yes but obviously not when they are running around screaming with a huge broad machete.
Posted by: Kommandant Karisse 26 Apr 2015, 13:40
I'm curious, what inspired the idea for the Runner?
Posted by: The_Hunter 26 Apr 2015, 13:44
Very simple fact that nobody would want to use the much more expansive gunner and grenadier mercs to do knife charges.
these cheap and more disposable guy should change that.
Posted by: X1Destroy 26 Apr 2015, 15:03
The runners have really funny looking faces. Are those masks?
Posted by: Mr.Kim 26 Apr 2015, 16:56
Only one guy wearing the face mask and I'm glad remove the foxhole ability.
Posted by: re_simeone 26 Apr 2015, 17:15
I like idea of third mercenary unit,I love idea of it having shotgun,
but giving machete to it as a primary weapon and removing it from other two just for sake of forcing player of using it is plain silly,
I am pretty sure player would immediately upon producing of those units switch to shotgun,and use machete ability mostly if unit
gets overrun so it can bail from trouble.
As for updating of machine-gunner,well...I personally loved their dug in ability,but I admit new one seems lot more practical.
Dug in seems more of a ECAs thing.
Oh and yes...Visual variants of both look great,Runner with a hat is my fav so far.
Posted by: jlwh86 26 Apr 2015, 17:17
Yes! A good change over the foxhole ability. BTW since Merc Runner and Gunner gets variants, I assume Grenadiers gets variants too?
Posted by: The_Hunter 26 Apr 2015, 18:29
working 8 hours on a customized animation set for a machete charging mad man and then realizing nobody uses it ingame because the units are to expansive to use as charging cannon fodder is alot more silly.
the only reason you ever legitimately wanted to the machete charge in a competitive game would be to get them out of trouble.
Yep. (and no i will not post a screenshot or render, you'll have to wait till the patch is out)
Posted by: re_simeone 26 Apr 2015, 18:40
the only reason you ever legitimately wanted to the machete charge in a competitive game would be to get them out of trouble.
Well that is understandable.
Still,shotguns due to their effects and sounds in ROTR are far more tempting for use than any of melee attacks imo.
I said overrun not run over.
Btw,I though Merc Grenadiers already had variants,one of them wearing sunglasses,even at night...Other without them.
Posted by: MPGM 26 Apr 2015, 20:06
the only reason you ever legitimately wanted to the machete charge in a competitive game would be to get them out of trouble.
Nobody?? I use it a lot. It makes them greatly fast, I use it when I want to move my mercs quickly. That's a useful option for me
Posted by: MPGM 26 Apr 2015, 20:10
Um, Where do you want to add Merc Runner build button?? There's no space for other buttons.
1 = Command_ConstructGLAInfantryRebel
2 = Command_ConstructGLAInfantryRPGTrooper
3 = Command_ConstructGLAInfantryTerrorist
4 = Command_ConstructGLAInfantryAngryMob
5 = Command_ConstructGLAInfantryHijacker
6 = Command_ConstructGLAInfantryPartisan
7 = Command_ConstructGLAInfantryJarmenKell
8 = Command_ConstructGLAInfantryMerceneryGunner
9 = Command_UpgradeGLAInfantryRebelBoobyTrapAttack
10 = Command_ConstructGLAInfantryMercenery
11 = Command_UpgradeGLARebelMolotov
12 = Command_UpgradeGLARebelCaptureBuilding
13 = Command_GLASwitchToTunnelCommandSetButton
14 = Command_GLA_Sell
End
All Spaces have been taken already
Posted by: The_Hunter 26 Apr 2015, 21:08
^ Wait and see 
Posted by: MPGM 26 Apr 2015, 21:22
Of course I will wait
Posted by: Kommandant Karisse 27 Apr 2015, 0:10
Inb4 they replace Terrorists 
Posted by: Serialkillerwhale 27 Apr 2015, 0:17
What would happen if mercenaries attacked Burton when burton has his knife?
Posted by: jlwh86 27 Apr 2015, 4:49
Not only that, lets say they go head on, who will win?
Burton knife VS Merc machete VS Red Guard bayonet VS Attack Dog teeth
Posted by: Midlii 27 Apr 2015, 5:00
Something minor but speaking of voices, in future updates can the Russian air drop GPs get voiced landing notification as the USA and ECA ones do?
Posted by: RikerZZZ 27 Apr 2015, 5:13
Burton knife VS Merc machete VS Red Guard bayonet VS Attack Dog teeth
If it's anything like how it is atm, red guard beats all
Posted by: Serialkillerwhale 27 Apr 2015, 5:23
Can't beat china.
Posted by: __CrUsHeR 27 Apr 2015, 13:13
I always thought of a dedicated unit as the Runner for the GLA; will be interesting to see a battle between a group of Runners and Attack Dogs early in the game.
Posted by: Crackerjack17 27 Apr 2015, 19:00
In what situation are we suppose to actually use these guys instead of Techincals, Quads in PVP.
Posted by: Guard Llama 27 Apr 2015, 20:08
Assuming that they can be camouflaged like the other mercenaries, you can have a roving band of invisible machete wielders who only appear at the last possible second...
Also useful if your opponent has plenty of anti-vehicle weapons, but is light on anti-infantry (which can happen from time to time).
Posted by: Crackerjack17 27 Apr 2015, 20:17
Who would mass infantry really early on the game eh? we already have gunners by the time we get camouflage.
Posted by: Guard Llama 27 Apr 2015, 20:52
If runners are cheaper (which I would expect) and move faster (also probable) you might find that they make for a better early anti-infantry unit.
Posted by: teslashark 28 Apr 2015, 7:33
More likely the Rebel Molotovs are gonna be combined.
Posted by: Adoge 28 Apr 2015, 8:59
KNIFE BATTLE!!!!!
Posted by: RikerZZZ 28 Apr 2015, 9:34
Just wait till one of them pulls out one of THESE bad boys
Posted by: XAttus 28 Apr 2015, 10:37
eh... it has no rust.. not good enough.
Posted by: Crackerjack17 28 Apr 2015, 19:19
It would be really nice to have a mirror GLA match and the only thing you can train are rebels that can only use molotovs and merc runners that can only use the machete.
Posted by: re_simeone 28 Apr 2015, 19:57
Actually if ROTR would have infantry only game mode that would be awesome,
ROTR overall has some really awesome infantry units,but unfortunately they are mostly inferior to what their vehicle and aircraft
counterparts can do (especially to them),like in every other C&C game...And that is a plain shame...
I would vote for infantry only game mode over arena any time any day.
Posted by: Karpet 28 Apr 2015, 20:38
New hero confirmed, Hunter with his rusty spoon and admin powaz!
Posted by: Mr.Kim 29 Apr 2015, 1:05
Except, they can't use the stealth when holding a machete. Even upgrade the camouflage.
Posted by: Warzone 29 Apr 2015, 2:00
I dont think giving the runners stealth would make them overpowered. It would at least make them usable.
I'd imagine slapping a tank with a knife isnt going to go too well, but a visible anti infantry infantry even if very fast is miles behind a single toxin tractor or a quad.
The only effective use i can see for them is harassing gla supplies or denying the barracks expansions early on, but as soon as a single gatt or a quad shows up its adios amigos. Which is why letting them benefit from the camo upgrade is essential to keeping them useful past that point in the game.
As opposed to throwing machettes sniping airplanes?
No shottie needed imho. The machette is an exceptional anti infantry weapon and adding a second one is simply redundant. Besides it would take away from the whole "crazy guyz with machettez" thing.A welcome change for the gunner though. Clunkiness begone!
Just a few thoughts on the update i wanted to share.
Keep up the good work gents!
Cheers!
EDIT: Welp looks like i missed that the runners get camo benefits with shotguns on. And this will be enough to make sure that they will be on shotgun mode once they have camo researched. Which makes the original problem rear its ugly head again.
My opinion: no shotguns, stealth machettes.
Posted by: jlwh86 29 Apr 2015, 17:22
Isn't partisan supposed to be dedicated anti infantry?
Posted by: The_Hunter 29 Apr 2015, 17:52
The partisan is dedicated anti stealth with added anti infantry capabilities as extra.
Posted by: teslashark 29 Apr 2015, 18:51
Maybe the shotgun should come with the Arm the Mob upgrade, but that would need a second set of models.
Posted by: RikerZZZ 30 Apr 2015, 3:37
Are all the flash bang animations gonna be in this update? So far they still kill allot of units instead of making them surrender
Posted by: jlwh86 30 Apr 2015, 6:25
So is the patch gonna be released end of this month which is today?
Posted by: Generalcamo 1 May 2015, 3:09
I find it hilarious that you people are judging the effectiveness of the unit when you do not know all of the details yet, let alone played with it.
Posted by: Warzone 5 May 2015, 15:41
Based on the available info its very easy to do. If we take how do all the other mercs perform with machettes on and if we assume that these will be no different, then take into account that these will be t0 with appropriate training costs and time its safe to assume that they will be fairly inexpensive and therefore easily fielded early in the game. Which makes them cheap fast infantry who 1 shots the other infantry, almost like ECA dogs. Now if we assume the shotgun is more or less like the one vanguard uses, that makes it a high dps weapon vs infantry which makes the machette irrelevant simply because they can shred infantry in groups because they can present more firepower at once from range AND they are stealthed when using shotguns.
Yeah its all speculation, but im assuming again that sharing opinions on things and their performance beats "OMG ME SO HYPE WHEN RELEIS" posts which are simply useless and annoying.
Cheers.
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