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post 23 Apr 2016, 2:58
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post 23 Apr 2016, 4:46
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QUOTE (Blokovich @ 22 Apr 2016, 18:55) *
Nice work! I cant wait to see the rest of the changes to the GLA airforce.
I have a few questions though. Does the hook work in the same way as the mi 8 from general deathstrike? Like, you buy the transport version and you can upgrade it to the gunship?

Also the gazelle and interceptor do they keep the default weapon loadout they have right now? Or is that still subject to change?

No. You buy the gunship. The transport is only used to deliver vehicles, currently only applicable to the Reinforcement Bay.
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post 23 Apr 2016, 21:44
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SO you tell me that the options like (Capture buildings, Detonate buildings) is no longer exist in the Ambush coz there's no more rebels and tunnel defenders in the Ambush ?!!
if that's right, i'll not install this update, it'll be a great mistake to take this options from the Ambush, coz i always use this options when make a quiet stealth Ambush !

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post 23 Apr 2016, 21:58
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QUOTE (The_Hunter @ 21 Apr 2016, 23:09) *
The second screenshot shows the new Fanatics and RPG Insurgents which will be spawned from a GLA Ambush from now on instead of generic Rebels and Tunnel Defenders. The change is purely visual.

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post 23 Apr 2016, 22:13
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post 23 Apr 2016, 23:44
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QUOTE (InGhmasy @ 23 Apr 2016, 22:44) *
SO you tell me that the options like (Capture buildings, Detonate buildings) is no longer exist in the Ambush coz there's no more rebels and tunnel defenders?!!
if that's right, i'll not install this update, it'll be a great mistake to take this options from the Ambush, coz i always use this options when make a quiet stealth Ambush !




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QUOTE (InGhmasy @ 24 Apr 2016, 5:44) *
SO you tell me that the options like (Capture buildings, Detonate buildings) is no longer exist in the Ambush coz there's no more rebels and tunnel defenders?!!
if that's right, i'll not install this update, it'll be a great mistake to take this options from the Ambush, coz i always use this options when make a quiet stealth Ambush !


hmm... that's actually cute. If it's the case. biggrin.gif

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post 24 Apr 2016, 7:52
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post 24 Apr 2016, 9:21
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QUOTE ({Lads}RikerZZZ @ 23 Apr 2016, 23:44) *



QUOTE (TimeBurner @ 24 Apr 2016, 7:50) *
hmm... that's actually cute. If it's the case. biggrin.gif

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I dunno guys but after you turned down my engineer-rush idea in the first update topic, I threw myself into Hecthor Doomhammer's Youtube channel to see what is the meta about quick-countering drive-by attacks... I must say, some of this stuff was really disheartening, and this is just a random Lynx with some Panzerfaust - now imagine this with an Engineer instead of the Medic, capturing and selling Bruce's Arms Dealer... his only Arms Dealer at that point. While I do not intent to draw grand conclusions, it looks like some of these tactics you guys laugh at are actually quite viable even at tournament-player level.
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QUOTE (AtoMaki @ 24 Apr 2016, 17:21) *
I dunno guys but after you turned down my engineer-rush idea in the first update topic, I threw myself into Hecthor Doomhammer's Youtube channel to see what is the meta about quick-countering drive-by attacks... I must say, some of this stuff was really disheartening, and this is just a random Lynx with some Panzerfaust - now imagine this with an Engineer instead of the Medic, capturing and selling Bruce's Arms Dealer... his only Arms Dealer at that point. While I do not intent to draw grand conclusions, it looks like some of these tactics you guys laugh at are actually quite viable even at tournament-player level.


Im really sorry if I made you feel down or offended you in any way,back then.

On this case,I just dont see any balance related issue if you cant field quads by the time he built a lynx,an engineer,and drove it all across the map to your base.On tournament level games,players will and must scout. You need to set up 2-3 forward scouts across the map,and be vigilant (as a spehz murin) and watch for incoming rushes. That way,you could act and prepare accordingly.

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post 24 Apr 2016, 9:49
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QUOTE (TimeBurner @ 24 Apr 2016, 9:39) *
Im really sorry if I made you feel down or offended you in any way,back then.


You actually made me genuinely curious. I'm a simple casual, but that argument made me eye with the tourney scene biggrin.gif .

QUOTE (TimeBurner @ 24 Apr 2016, 9:39) *
On this case,I just dont see any balance related issue if you cant field a quads by the time he built a lynx,an engineer,and drove it all across the map to your base.On tournament level games,players will and must scout. You need to set up 2-3 forward scouts across the map,and be vigilant (as a spehz murin) and watch for incoming rushes. That way,you could act and prepare accordingly.


Yet, Bruce still sucked it up in the example video. If Mizo had a better unit composition in that drive-by, it would be pretty much game right there.
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Fantastic update guys, love the gunship and visual update for ambush soldiers. The simplified fighter option sounds good


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post 24 Apr 2016, 10:09
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QUOTE (AtoMaki @ 24 Apr 2016, 9:21) *
I dunno guys but after you turned down my engineer-rush idea in the first update topic, I threw myself into Hecthor Doomhammer's Youtube channel to see what is the meta about quick-countering drive-by attacks... I must say, some of this stuff was really disheartening, and this is just a random Lynx with some Panzerfaust - now imagine this with an Engineer instead of the Medic, capturing and selling Bruce's Arms Dealer... his only Arms Dealer at that point. While I do not intent to draw grand conclusions, it looks like some of these tactics you guys laugh at are actually quite viable even at tournament-player level.


If I managed to pull off what you wrote over here, then Bruce absolutely deserves it ( especially with the upcoming changes to ECA's unit timings). Keeping in mind that I am investing around +2000$ to pull of that rush, which can be stopped by a scorpion and a quad cannon , 1300$. opposing player just needs to keep his eyes openned, to attack pathways, and once you stop it, you'd set ECA back a mile since they don't really have that great flexibility when it comes to constant offensive pressure.
Engineers can die to 4 tank shells, 2 bullet clips from a rebel, or by a breathe of a Quad , so you do have alot of options to kill that guy. If they were as tanky as any other infantry, they'd be broken for sure


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post 24 Apr 2016, 10:54
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If Engineers were like that, they'd essentially be a mass-production version of Black Lotus. Believe me, nobody sane wants that.
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QUOTE (AtoMaki @ 24 Apr 2016, 9:21) *
I dunno guys but after you turned down my engineer-rush idea in the first update topic, I threw myself into Hecthor Doomhammer's Youtube channel to see what is the meta about quick-countering drive-by attacks... I must say, some of this stuff was really disheartening, and this is just a random Lynx with some Panzerfaust - now imagine this with an Engineer instead of the Medic, capturing and selling Bruce's Arms Dealer... his only Arms Dealer at that point. While I do not intent to draw grand conclusions, it looks like some of these tactics you guys laugh at are actually quite viable even at tournament-player level.


Hey man, we don't intentionally shit on peoples ideas because we have anything against you.
We shit on peoples ideas because we don't see them as viable.

the rush you proposed is just not going to happen to a good player, and even in the example you gave, it still wouldn't work for the reasons mizo gave. Engies arent tanks, they will get died, and any good player is just going to charge on in and kill them before they deal with the rest of the enemy forces.


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post 24 Apr 2016, 12:17
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Im sorry what game is this In question? Dont think I've beeen on the stream for a coupel of weeks, either way the lynx engineer rush can be countered by putting a few dushkas or having a handfull of rebels inside your base in or your tunnels or not doesnt really matter.

Thou for the life of me I cant remember the last time I played gla vs an eca player

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post 24 Apr 2016, 14:47
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QUOTE ((USA)Bruce @ 24 Apr 2016, 12:17) *
Im sorry what game is this In question? Dont think I've beeen on the stream for a coupel of weeks, either way the lynx engineer rush can be countered by putting a few dushkas or having a handfull of rebels inside your base in or your tunnels or not doesnt really matter.


Obviously, if you can somehow predict the Engineer coming your way then it can be easily dealt with. Problems start when you can't, and the first thing warning you that something fishy is going on is the "your building is being captured" massage - at which point you have <10 seconds to do something about it.

This can be even worse considering InGhmasy's case because it is just raining TNT and one of your buildings go *poof*.

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QUOTE ((USA)Bruce @ 24 Apr 2016, 13:17) *
Im sorry what game is this In question? Dont think I've beeen on the stream for a coupel of weeks, either way the lynx engineer rush can be countered by putting a few dushkas or having a handfull of rebels inside your base in or your tunnels or not doesnt really matter.

Thou for the life of me I cant remember the last time I played gla vs an eca player



That was 1 of the 8 Bruce vs Mizo game replays in that 1 pack
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post 24 Apr 2016, 17:57
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If you box select a transport, then there are two outcomes:

If it is loaded: The transport won't be able to be selected, meaning there are occupants.

If it is empty: The transport will be selected like any unit normally.

Useful for scouting out the aforementioned lynx rush. Also remember that engineer give a lot of xp and have a long build time, hence if it fails, you are at a disadvantage in terms of money but you do buy some time. Its not that its a bad strategy necessarily but that its really hard to pull off against the common PvP player. Maybe mix it in every once in a while but don't repeat it every game otherwise it will simply be anticipated. Most factions have counters to this sort of thing anyways such as Russia/China using their trucks, GLA having fast vehicles, Dozers and much more, hence why its not exactly the strongest of strategies.

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QUOTE (AtoMaki @ 24 Apr 2016, 23:47) *
Obviously, if you can somehow predict the Engineer coming your way then it can be easily dealt with. Problems start when you can't, and the first thing warning you that something fishy is going on is the "your building is being captured" massage - at which point you have <10 seconds to do something about it.

This can be even worse considering InGhmasy's case because it is just raining TNT and one of your buildings go *poof*.


As I have already stated,players will and must scout always,especially early game. And as Rik stated,It is not going to happen to a good player. If you saw Spruce lost to that,that's either he isnt playing/doesnt mind or the player he is against is really good. UBER good XD


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thanks for being ironic guys! that's make me ask what's the useful of the forum if i didn't get a profissional reply!!

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You expected a professional response when said "You made a grave mistake!" I won't install this!" because you failed to read the post properly? Do you realise how silly that is?
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QUOTE (InGhmasy @ 25 Apr 2016, 4:13) *
thanks for being ironic guys! that's make me ask what's the useful of the forum if i didn't get a profissional reply!!


The use of this forum is to showcase new content, with COMPLETE and EXHAUSTIVE descriptions. Not to babysit people who don't read descriptions.


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QUOTE (InGhmasy @ 25 Apr 2016, 4:13) *
thanks for being ironic guys! that's make me ask what's the useful of the forum if i didn't get a profissional reply!!

Stupid questions get stupid answers. Stupid statements get stupid rebuttals. I suggest you rethink your tone and attitude.
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What is wrong with all of you?... He simple just made a statement without reading the post, no point going all savage and offensive... Wth happened to this forum
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