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A Question Regarding Solaris, MARS! COME HITHER PLZ!
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post 12 Aug 2016, 1:41
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Hey, so I'm currently wondering what makes up a Solaris satellite. What would be key components in a relay that could realistically be used for a relay?


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Solar panels is a good start


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post 12 Aug 2016, 6:11
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Well of course solar panels. Perhaps focusing lenses as well? I'm mainly looking into the more complicated stuff. Like electronics and energy transfer things. Stuff like that.


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post 12 Aug 2016, 9:31
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Pretty much a solaris.
Its got some metal good for strong structural integrity. Thats always a positive.
Some solar panels for power, they help keep the giant windscreen wipers (not pictured) on so the glass doesn't get dirty. Always handy
That shiny stuff looks like tinfoil so that might help keep space yuris out. Never a bad idea.
Theres some gold stuff at the top. Thats only there for swag points. Looking good is never a negative.


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post 12 Aug 2016, 9:36
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"Solaris panels" is actually one of those things I'd advise you on cutting back on. There will be a few solar panels to power the satellite proper, but the Solaris operates by "Grabbing" alot of light and "Focusing" it down a single beam. As opposed to a solar panel, which would "Convert" it into electrical energy.

There's very little actual science done on this subject (Most people opting to use either Microwave or Laser technology to beam power collected by panels, rather than the light itself), but large arrays of mirrors focusing down towards a single "Emitter" would probably be the most feasible design. Possibly with multiple Ancillary satelites sending beams to the primary satelite which focuses it down to earth.

The only extant project for such a device I've seen is the Russian Znamya. Which is literally a giant concave mirror that focuses the light down to earth.


Also, the Giant space mirror from futurama.

You could also modify this one fairly simply.

Replace the solar panel assembly with a further focusing lense structure. Add a few other solar panels for the satellite's own power supply.

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post 12 Aug 2016, 9:55
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Damnit, you're taking the topic in a serious direction. Now the science of all this crap is gonna get wonky as hell because to build something like a Solaris would be pretty much impossible.

But lets take that with a grain of salt and go from there.

It was always my understanding that the SW satellites and the power plant satellites were seperate anyway, but had similar technology in them. (we'll need MARS/other lore writers to confirm that one)

Anyway, going by that assessment you're pretty much right for the powerplant satellites, they do send a highly focused beam of condensed solar energy down into the reactor.
The second photo you've posted is more than likely the most accurate way this would work.

That said, when talking about the SW, then I'd like to point out that the solaris is not a mirror, nor a reflective satellite. It stores solar energy inside itself and either beams it down to the planet in a continuous beam, or on command fires the focused concentration of energy.

There would probably be some sort of special solar panel to absorb the energy directly rather than converting it to electricity. To do this would take tremendous electricity, so it would not surprise me if the satellite had a huge farm of panels out on its wings to keep everything contained or collecting.

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post 12 Aug 2016, 11:24
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Sorry. I'm the local science guy.

WHALE NYE THE SCIENCE GUY

Anyways. DID YOU KNOW THAT

The concept of "Storing" light is impractical due to the fact that it's, well, Light. So either one of two possible explanations can be used.

1: It's Microwaves. Which is basically how most modern "Orbital solar power" concepts work.
2: The power is not stored, but simply an immediate burst.

AND NOW YOU KNOW

The fact that it operates somewhat like a C&C3 Ion Cannon, implies the beam is being "Focused" when fired, which wouldn't really work with a microwave, however.

But why does it have a cooldown? Does the lens simply get too hot from focusing all that light, especially since space is lousy for dissipating heat? Is that why they can't simply keep it focused?

Then how do the "big" satellites work? Do they have multiple satellites rotating into each station in order to keep heat levels functional? Does a satellite have multiple dishes arrayed gatling-style to deal with the heat?

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So the solaris makes no goddamn sense?


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post 12 Aug 2016, 13:59
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The Solaris as solar-powered fusion generator COULD work, although it's rather overcomplicated IMO. It's the superweapon and the implications of such that confuse me.


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Interesting topic.

Doesnt the solaris work like a solar panel.But,instead of multiple panels layed on a field it collects concentrated solar power from orbital satellites.
Same like how this works. But,instead the mirrors are in space?



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post 12 Aug 2016, 21:15
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Actually, it starts with the mirrors part, then focuses the sunlight down to apparently provide heat for Nuclear Fusion.

What happens when a bird flies into it I have no clue.


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The bird would probably be vaporised, but that said, the air around the beam would be considerably hotter than the surrounding air, so there would be lots of birds in the area enjoying the free lift. It wouldn't surprise me if alit of them accidentally went too far into the beam.


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Guys, guys, you're hijacking the damn lore section with this. More people would see it in the correct subforum, anyway. Interesting topic, though.


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If mods need to move the topic they can move it.
Im more genuinely interested in the actual science behind this, and would love to see an official reply on this


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post 13 Aug 2016, 4:07
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Thank you all for your input, but we need MARS to talk about this with us. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE ({Lads}RikerZZZ @ 12 Aug 2016, 19:14) *
If mods need to move the topic they can move it.
Im more genuinely interested in the actual science behind this, and would love to see an official reply on this

Personally what confuses me is how they use the light to heat up a tokamak. I mean, it's not like you can just shine the death ray on it and expect the fancy magnetics and whatnot to still function, and an open-air plasma reaction is just asking for trouble. All kinds of trouble.
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>implying that whole post wasnt just me taking the piss


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QUOTE (NagandEmerald @ 13 Aug 2016, 12:07) *
Thank you all for your input, but we need MARS to talk about this with us. biggrin.gif


Im afraid you do not have enough monsters to tribute summon. Mars needs 2 monsters as tribute.


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QUOTE (Serialkillerwhale @ 13 Aug 2016, 6:33) *
Personally what confuses me is how they use the light to heat up a tokamak. I mean, it's not like you can just shine the death ray on it and expect the fancy magnetics and whatnot to still function, and an open-air plasma reaction is just asking for trouble. All kinds of trouble.

I may have a solution for the problem of an "open air" tokamak allowing an external light/laser/deathray beam in.

Not that light as an external heat source makes much sense, but a plasma window (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_window) is light and laser permeable barrier that is both real world and apparently able to hold off a single atmosphere of gas pressure, allowing a vacuum on one side and air on the other.

Real world + science fiction, all in one. Plus, you know - real life force fields!

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Hmm. That might just work. Although how would they isolate the plasma window from the thirty metric fuck-tons of magnetics used to contain the plasma (The stuff that's being fusion'd) from doing what it does best?


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QUOTE (Serialkillerwhale @ 15 Aug 2016, 23:03) *
Hmm. That might just work. Although how would they isolate the plasma window from the thirty metric fuck-tons of magnetics used to contain the plasma (The stuff that's being fusion'd) from doing what it does best?


That one is easy I think; the answer is distance.

Magnetic fields decrease in strength as a cubic function of distance (source: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/magne...-source.522223/. So the field strength 10 units from the center is 1000 times lower than in the center, as I understand it (not a physicist). This is, incidentally, probably why plasma windows are pretty small.

So what you would do is put the plasma window on top of a vertical tube that is above the tokamak (like a skylight high above the focus spot/center). Light shines down the tube (which contains a vaccum, like the tokamak, since they are connected) and then hits whatever the target focus spot is.

Edit: fixed the link, and made it more clear that I don't know how a tokamak works.

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QUOTE (Serialkillerwhale @ 12 Aug 2016, 14:59) *
The Solaris as solar-powered fusion generator COULD work, although it's rather overcomplicated IMO. It's the superweapon and the implications of such that confuse me.



Couldn't the cooldown just be ECA's way for other countries to not go suspicious and cray cray of the Solaris spam use as a weapon? Since there is a lot of subtle and sneaky stuff you could do with it like how Russia blamed ECA for a similar reason. Compared to Particle cannon that is a defensive measure just basically a return fire via critical target elimination and obvious as heck since it does two things is more trusted than a very high energy resource that can have multiple offensive uses

There may be multiple satellites for a full relay to power the entire ECA but when there is a need for a strike wont they just point it to a place that is not a solar reactor?
I mean when it gets destroyed the containment fails and becomes a michael bay display. Fire it on target area in the same way to power solar reactor(it looks the same as the Sol Reactor beam not a beefed up version like the Pandora Solaris) will do an uncontained solar fusion on whatever it contacts while pandora makes it a legit overcharge to weapons level.

The merging beams would just be a quick adjustment and recalibration of the involved relay in the area to meet combat conditions since in the solar reactor construction they already did that before hand.

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post 31 Aug 2016, 22:10
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Don't think so.

I mean, this is the same ECA that's already decided to use nerve gas and neutron bombs, not to mention cluster munitions and mines. They're already desperate. If they could fire the Solaris faster, they would.

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