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Posted by: The_Hunter 19 Nov 2014, 23:01

Posted by: Neo3602 19 Nov 2014, 23:11

Nice!, is it safe to assume that the upgrades that the Recycler can give it other units from Chinese units are different from what it can upgrade its self with?

Edit: Alos great video I hope the other ones are like that as well.

Posted by: ComradeCrimson 19 Nov 2014, 23:11

Brace yourself, the hypetrain is coming~

Posted by: Barry 19 Nov 2014, 23:12

One of better updates.It looks bloody awesome in game.
And whoever did GLA voice acting for this video he nailed it,it sounds like it is from original ZH campaign,nailed it.

Posted by: Maelstrom 19 Nov 2014, 23:14

It looks awesome !! And your teaser is really great. I really loved the deployment animation of the EMP cannon.

Posted by: BlackRangerXIII 19 Nov 2014, 23:14

HYPE TRAIN

by the way Hunter
How's your head?

Posted by: Commander-GDI 19 Nov 2014, 23:15

interesting

Awesome what you can do in terms of modding!

But does it only work vs China? ..not against the factions as well?

Posted by: SoraZ 19 Nov 2014, 23:15

I hope I understand this right: are you asking if the upgrades from the Recycler differ from the ones normal units get? If so, yes.



Read.

Posted by: ComradeCrimson 19 Nov 2014, 23:16

That would be Seoras, otherwise known as [G]

I can say from having seen the script... the thing is monstrously big.

Posted by: The General 19 Nov 2014, 23:21

Great update, interasting new unit, and a great video.
And the voice in the video is just amazing.

Posted by: SiR Chaff 19 Nov 2014, 23:22

Giant Electromagnetic Cannon THING! xD


Btw, Hunter, you still in one piece??

Posted by: Barry 19 Nov 2014, 23:24

Hey,it came to my mind...
Will this thing be able to rob other GLA player for scrap parts as it can doo with other factions ?

Posted by: SoraZ 19 Nov 2014, 23:27

Yep

Posted by: The_Hunter 19 Nov 2014, 23:34

Got some ice on my head i should be well enough to comentate on the stream upcoming sunday

Posted by: Composite armour 19 Nov 2014, 23:38

Cooking with the GLA is due to be on air soon I think.

But, that voice acting was perfect. Will that be the voice of the recycler truck?

Posted by: Graion Dilach 19 Nov 2014, 23:39

Yes.

Posted by: Neo3602 19 Nov 2014, 23:40

Yes that is exactly what I was asking, thanks for that answer!

Posted by: Oliver 19 Nov 2014, 23:41

That EMP thing is glorious, amazing work

Posted by: SiR Chaff 19 Nov 2014, 23:45

The driver on the side window though, it looks odd.

Nonetheless, good job mates. Hope to see more firey things for GLA. Cooking with GLA commenced.

Posted by: SoraZ 19 Nov 2014, 23:47

He's been with us since Generals though. All those Bomb Trucks...

Posted by: Dangerman 19 Nov 2014, 23:56

In the future will there be Rail-gun trucks ?

Posted by: SoraZ 19 Nov 2014, 23:57

Posted by: Emin96 20 Nov 2014, 0:03

Awesome updates finaly recycler is releaved

Posted by: Seòras 20 Nov 2014, 0:28

Glad you all enjoyed the trailer, the full voice set will be done very soon and with that, Recycling may commence in full

Posted by: Kommandant Karisse 20 Nov 2014, 0:30

Oh gosh ... I'm already terrified of fighting the GLA. Now I have another thing to worry about. D:

... personal bias aside, it's quite the unique and interesting unit. ^^ And passive repairs, yay!

Posted by: BlackRangerXIII 20 Nov 2014, 0:43

Nice on that dude



Hope you post the Voice set on Soundcloud
and Then I'll add to my playlist of the Voice Set

Posted by: HoneyBee 20 Nov 2014, 3:16

With freaking fireballs !! What else could one ask...

Posted by: Karpet 20 Nov 2014, 4:02

How would you like that infidel, would you like it well-done, rare, medium-rare... Oh, wait, I'll pick for you!

I see more glorious progress by SWR. Extra glorious, in fact.

Posted by: nikitazero678 20 Nov 2014, 4:10

Yeah, the Recycler Truck can really turn the enemies' own weapons against them.
In this case, the GLA can give the Chinese a bitter taste of their own medicine: EMP and flame!

What about the other factions? Can't wait to see!

Posted by: Eternity 6 20 Nov 2014, 7:17

O_O
The subtitles , WTF are they automatic or did you guys actually type them out ?

Good job on the video .

questions

What tech level is the recycler ? ( I'm guessing T2 )

Are the upgrades specific to the type of vehicle you destroyed or to the tech level and faction of the destroyed vehicle ?

Will there be a cap of how many you can build or is it unlimited .

Posted by: Mr.Kim 20 Nov 2014, 7:38

The Flamer weapon is Tier 1 and EMP Blaster is Tier 2.

Posted by: Serialkillerwhale 20 Nov 2014, 8:09

And the truck itself?

Posted by: SoraZ 20 Nov 2014, 9:32

T1.

Posted by: GDIZOCOM 20 Nov 2014, 9:48

Loved that video opening, gave me laugh, same goes for the narration


I'm most interested so see what they can borrow from their...erm...friendly assets

Posted by: AK-47 Crusader 20 Nov 2014, 11:53

AWESOME!!

Not only does the GLA use factions' technology against them, they also make it look damn good.

The base truck is awesome, and the salvage makes it look damn good.

Kudos, SWR. Keep it up.

Posted by: DanPaladin12 20 Nov 2014, 13:15

Really nice, I just got a couple of questions,

1) Will the repair effect stack with junk repair or will JR be removed?
2) Will the salvageable scrap for each faction consist of a T1 and T2 create or does every unit have its own salvage given that they either are T1 or T2 units?

Not meant to fish here just wondering please dont post the fancy gone fishing clip here.

Posted by: DELETED MEMBER 20 Nov 2014, 13:55

well that was awesome
now, time to make theories about what other factions give

Posted by: Barry 20 Nov 2014, 14:15

After watching this clip for 11th time I got another thing wondering about,
will AI be able to use Recycler Truck effectively or at all ?
I know that just to make it way it is was real pain in the rear,but any chance
getting pain in player's rear induced
by these things while they being controlled by computer player ?

Posted by: SoraZ 20 Nov 2014, 15:23

All factions have their respective T1 and T2 scraps which are shared by their respective T1 and T2 vehicles. USA Drone units are the exception since they don't leave scrap behind to begin with.

Posted by: kwendy 20 Nov 2014, 15:30

It shoots fireballs!

Srsly great thing, cross-teching is a great thing.

Posted by: Fulcrum 20 Nov 2014, 15:30

In the video the scrap seemed randomly produced is this currently the case?

Posted by: Barry 20 Nov 2014, 15:39

I think that ECMs produced lower tier scraps that gave Recycler flame thrower,while Overlord scraps gave it EMP blaster.

Posted by: Die Hindenburg 20 Nov 2014, 15:49

Thanks that you streamlined it, with two unique and broadly combined ones (fast fire + napalm, artillery + EMP instead of too many single upgrades. C:

But if you dont fight against aleksandr, will the tesla thing still apply to the recycler when fighting another russian general? (Since the tesla truck is pretty much reveleaed)

Posted by: Pepo 20 Nov 2014, 16:20

At least. It seem really awesome, specially the quad flame cannon

Posted by: The_Hunter 20 Nov 2014, 16:38

Not randomly

Tier 1 and 2 units drop these special crates.


in this paticulair case the ecm tank droped the crate that allowed for the Napalm Fireball recycler and the overlord the crate for the emp cannon thing

Posted by: Mizo 20 Nov 2014, 16:58

EMP Quad Printing :3

Posted by: DELETED MEMBER 20 Nov 2014, 17:59

so how exactly does it work with the nuclear crate?
do the overlord with a nuclear engine remplace the T2 crate with a nuke one? or drops both? or is a chance between them?
also i assume tier 1/2 crates work like vainilla crates for the other GLA vehicles?

*BOOM* *BOOM* *CRASH*, THATS ALL IT TAKES FOR A GLA REBEL TO ENTER YOUR HOUSE, BUY A SENTRY DRONE FOR PROTECTION NOW ONLY $400

Posted by: Barry 20 Nov 2014, 18:05

ECM and Dragon tanks gibe you a flame thrower upgrade,while overlords and shenlongs gibe you a emp cannon or canon I dont know how to spell it right...
Just my assumption,dont take it for real.

Posted by: Oliver 20 Nov 2014, 18:21

I hope we get to see George as commentator when this thing makes his appearence on stream

Posted by: Mr.Kim 20 Nov 2014, 18:30

It's impossible use them with AI Player. Unless, it requires with new AI's scripts.

Posted by: The_Hunter 20 Nov 2014, 18:30

Both

Yes

Posted by: Composite armour 20 Nov 2014, 18:33

Will the truck be able to pick up and use salvage like any other GLA vehicle after it's been upgraded with a weapon?

Posted by: The_Hunter 20 Nov 2014, 18:36

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14

Posted by: __CrUsHeR 20 Nov 2014, 21:05

The Recycler Truck has a wonderful design and its variants are pretty cool, something unique that really elevates the ROTR to a new level that hardly any other mod for ZH had managed to achieve some day. Great job!

How long did it take to implement this new mechanic in the game?

Posted by: The_Hunter 20 Nov 2014, 21:18

at least 6 weeks worth of free time

Posted by: __CrUsHeR 20 Nov 2014, 21:22

It takes a lot of dedication, I do not know if I would be capable of something like that.

That was the hardest thing done so far in terms of SAGE?

Posted by: The_Hunter 20 Nov 2014, 21:47

Most defently yes XD

Posted by: BlackRangerXIII 20 Nov 2014, 22:01

Here is the Scenario:
I'm playing as GLA vs all the Five factions in FFA and I use the Recycler Truck to capture all their tiered technologies:
Will I be able to use all the Tiered Upgrades for the Recycler Trucks and The units for all the factions, even GLA?

Posted by: The_Hunter 20 Nov 2014, 22:46

Yes

Posted by: sino301 20 Nov 2014, 23:31

when get one recycler to pick up the material, does he have to get to base to apply it?
and when he upgrades himself, is the same upgrade applicable to all of the units or does every recycler have to pick up salvage?
also, is the recycle system limited to the truck or does it give other units perks?

Posted by: SoraZ 20 Nov 2014, 23:39

No.


One Recycler is enough to enable stuff for everyone else.


The Recycler unlocks stuff for other units, depending on WHAT it recycles.

Also, all these things were explained several times by now. Please read the thread/watch videos etc before asking again.

Posted by: Generalcamo 21 Nov 2014, 1:00

It's possible if the AI just builds them directly. Obviously this would allow them to build Chinese recyclers when there is no Chinese player on the map.. but it is really the best that can be done.

Posted by: sino301 21 Nov 2014, 1:01

i watched the vid a couple of times, and heard most of it by now, but it doesn't hurt to read about all of it in the same place

Posted by: Serialkillerwhale 21 Nov 2014, 1:16

Just a thought, but which Jin units drop EMP canon scrap?

And would you be able to take parts from another GLA player?

Posted by: __CrUsHeR 21 Nov 2014, 1:45

Nuke Cannon with electromagnetic ammunition.

Posted by: The_Hunter 21 Nov 2014, 1:58

Any chinese tier 2 unit will drop the scrap required to make EMP recyclers.

Posted by: SoraZ 21 Nov 2014, 4:29

As has been stated already, yes of course.

Posted by: MARS 21 Nov 2014, 8:03

Just to be clear: The crate type and effect is NOT determined by the exact unit it was from, but simply it's tier. ANY Chinese Tier 1 vehicle, be it a Dragon Tank, Inferno Cannon or ECM Tank gives you a crate that lets you upgrade the flamethrower. ANY Chinese Tier 2 vehicle, be it an Overlord, a Shenlong or a Nuke cannon gives you a crate that lets you upgrade the EMP blaster. Having the contents determined by the unit would make the system way more clumsy, unintuitive and even harder to balance because some tech would only be given by some unit belonging to some general, so instead, we choose to interpret the Recycler upgrades as a general way to nick enemy theme weapons, regardless of what general they normally belong to.

Posted by: __CrUsHeR 21 Nov 2014, 11:13

^ I understood this concept, only mentioned the Nuke Cannon as the unit responsible for having elements capable of being adapted in Recycler Truck.

About your ammo: are electro-explosive barrels that are thrown by your cannon?

Posted by: Banisher of Hope 21 Nov 2014, 15:16

Hunter you are truly the master of making SAGE your bitch.

BRAVO

1.85 Do you know yet if you will be making this GLA default or a GP unlock?
2.0 Available for all generals?

Posted by: AK-47 Crusader 21 Nov 2014, 15:46

I believe the 1.85 is close to fishing.

2.0, not so much.

As for the answers, I know not.

Posted by: MARS 21 Nov 2014, 15:49

It -probably- won't require a GP unlock at all, since we want this to be a central mechanic of the GLA, so there wouldn't be a point in artificially restricting access to it. And yes, it will be for ALL GLA generals in 2.0, for much the same reason.

Posted by: teslashark 21 Nov 2014, 16:47

From the animation and {G}'s narration, it's a piece of rocket propelled EMP exploding device.

Posted by: __CrUsHeR 21 Nov 2014, 16:51

Looks like a improvised barrel with some EMP warhead inside; thanks for the reply.

Posted by: Banisher of Hope 21 Nov 2014, 16:57

This really does seem like a potentially game changing addition to the GLA arsenal; assuming that these cross-teched vehicles remain as powerful as they currently seem.
Given that this upgrade appears to be applicable to all Recyclers, and not just the one who recovered the crate, there is suddenly a large incentive to goad T1s and T2s away from a base or column to salvage them. A relatively high cost in terms of losses might even be justified. Given that only the USA has salvageless vehicles (Drones) they will certainly become a favorite to counter GLA.

It will be very interesting to see this mechanic in action in the coming streams, and even more so to see how it is used once it is released to public. One thing is for certain GLA will be a very different beast in the future.

Posted by: piratep2r 21 Nov 2014, 17:36

Is it really game-changing though? I suspect that an EMP artillery piece will be somewhat useful, but exactly what does a recycle-flame thrower do that a toxin tractor does not?

Also (and along the same lines), a full grad barrage does a lot of damage (disabling a target in a permanent way via death) and does not need to be deployed to fire (tunnel ambush, anyone?); nor does it require the micro associated with either salvaging a specific crate with a specific unit, or the micro associated with upgrading one unit to another (presumably with a unit-by-unit button). To me, this suggests that even EMP artillery recyclers will be less useful than people might think.

I do see potential synergy with hijackers, though - that could be truly epic.

Long story short, I am somewhat suspicious of how useful these units will be and I am very interested to watch the next stream to see them used in competitive play!

PS: I would point out that we have hardly ever seen the new bomb-truck warhead upgrade ability used competitively in the streams; I love the idea/upgrade, but the micro required and the difficulty of accomplishing the specific steps required to get them means most that people seem to be mostly just using regular bomb trucks... 90% as effective, 10x easier. I wonder if that will be the case here with the recycler (and I hope not).

Posted by: Seòras 21 Nov 2014, 17:39

The EMP variant, unless i'm mistaken, is actually a heavily modified nuke cannon that launches the projectiles via a crazy catapult like system powered by a jet engine, hence the "whine" like sound when it fires =)

Posted by: __CrUsHeR 21 Nov 2014, 17:47

The new Flame Recycler looks better against structures, besides it's faster too.

If you only compare the destructive potential of Grad and EMP Recycler your reasoning makes sense, however you must take into consideration that the Recycler Truck is a T0 unit that has practically no pre-requisite and is a multi-functional unit contrary to what is the Grad: a genuine artillery.

Cool.

Posted by: SoraZ 21 Nov 2014, 17:57

T1

Posted by: __CrUsHeR 21 Nov 2014, 18:04

I always get confused with that.

Posted by: DELETED MEMBER 21 Nov 2014, 18:21

more damage against buildings and light vehicles at least, also burst damage of four/five fireballs instead of a continuous stream



this is a tier lower, doesn't cost a gen point to unlock and while slower and needs to deploy compared to the rocket buggy, it cleary has a sizeable EMP effect (dunno about the price), plus when 2.00 rolls out, one general wont have the grad avariable in the first place

is gamechanging? maybe not, but not every single unit means a total gamechange

Posted by: Planardweller 21 Nov 2014, 18:35

Won't GRAD be Sulaymaan only in 2.0? Afterall we shouldn't forget that all factions and their respective units will be fully balanced only in 2.0. This includes roles of units

Posted by: Barry 21 Nov 2014, 18:49

It will be game changing thing for GLA for sure,but game breaking ? I fail to see how that would happen...
Even without seeing rest of Recycler variants when upgraded,I am pretty much sure how this wouldn't
upset balance in slightest,first of all,this thing doesn't look like it have tough armor at all,besides its
visual look I can assume that because it moves quite fast for well armored unit,so I am pretty much sure
its armor is probably weaker than average MBT.
Second,you just can't spam it so effectively,since it is not produced from Arms Dealer,but from Hideout,
and I couldn't see anyone spaming Hideouts in anything other than casual Skirmish match vs AI.

Posted by: Composite armour 21 Nov 2014, 18:55

Will players of other factions be able to see the special recycler salvage as well?

Posted by: Banisher of Hope 21 Nov 2014, 19:52

I agree that the bomb truck ability is much more situational, and hard to use. The big difference is that the micro needed to upgrade the recycler is permanent. One intense conflict that grabs you what you need, and now you have a new unit at your disposal. I feel the bomb truck upgrades will mostly be used to speed up a base wipe, not really a way to expand your arsenal.

Posted by: SoraZ 21 Nov 2014, 19:55

During one match I had with Comrade Crimson, him being China and me being GLA, I managed to get 3 nuclear crates from his Breeder Reactors and use them. But the match was a bit staged to show off, so it's usually not likely to get so much out of it.

Posted by: __CrUsHeR 21 Nov 2014, 20:18

Yes, but Sulaymaan have both units in 2.0; anyway I do not know if I understand your point.

The Nuke Truck is a cool addition but it is not something that you can count on to win a game; although I like this facility I think it would be something dispensable for ROTR.

Posted by: The_Hunter 21 Nov 2014, 22:10

Yea th bombtrucks beeing able to use nuclear material to upgrade themselfs are just a cool gimmick

It's not breaking anything and it didn't take up more than a few hours worth of time to make in the first place

Posted by: Planardweller 21 Nov 2014, 22:20

The point was that two other GLA generals - Yusuuf and Ibrahim, do not have Grads (high burst damage AoE attack), only the Recycler truck and the rocket buggy (non splashy, but still high burst damage artillery). Ibrahim, afaik, will be less limited in terms of artillery, because he will have the mobile Scud launcher, but Yusuuf will definitely appreciate having Recycler truck to help in that department.

Hunter, will the "flamecycler" be able to perform a firestorm and is its attacks AoE?

Posted by: Banisher of Hope 21 Nov 2014, 22:37

Another question, will the GLA need to reach a tech tier to take advantage of the crates?
For example, can you upgrade a recycler with an EMP artillery if you are only T1 (provided you get the T2 China crate)?

Posted by: MARS 22 Nov 2014, 8:06

Actually, the Grad is the GLA's standard heavy artillery. As it stands right now, there is one general who gets a unique replacement for the same role and I'm not talking about Ibrahiim with his Scud Launcher.

Posted by: M0BU1S 22 Nov 2014, 8:54

Doesn't this means that the strategy/tactics, of GLA, will change from Guerilla and Stealh to Stealth, Salvage and Recycling?

Well because some armies/special forces/units in the ROTR World and Real World does use Guerilla, I.E for ROTR, Jaeger.




newfactionconfiremedthiswasjustforlolz

Posted by: Barry 22 Nov 2014, 9:58

So wait,Ibrahiim will have both Scud and Grad ?

Posted by: IPS 22 Nov 2014, 14:43

thats pretty much what is written right there, yes, ^^

Posted by: Dangerman 22 Nov 2014, 16:40

So the SCUD will become like a more dated version of the TOPOL or something similar (I guess since Ibrahiim is the Bio-command he'll have to use the GRAD to destroy enemy defences or vehicle blobs)?

Posted by: The_Hunter 22 Nov 2014, 16:46

Last time i check this was a recycler update and not "ask a developer all the shit i want to know" thread.

Posted by: ★ Kâkashí 22 Nov 2014, 18:07

Hunter : Do you still need an icepack ?

Posted by: teslashark 22 Nov 2014, 20:28

Should be like the normal alvages. And from my experience with salvages and money crates you can deny them to the enemy by placing a structure basement on them...

Posted by: nikitazero678 25 Nov 2014, 13:53

I bet the next update will showcase the even more awesome potential of the Recycler Truck, like what will happen when USA, ECA, Russia or hostile GLA vehicle's weapons was turned against themselves!

For Russia, I already can guess that one of them would be the dreaded Tesla weaponry, but for the other one, it's still anyone's guess..

Posted by: Maelstrom 25 Nov 2014, 14:23

ECA and Russia variants have been showcased during last stream. If you want to know:

ECA has an Anti-tank gun at Tier 1, and a Microwave Deathray at Tier 2
Russia has Tesla variant at Tier 1 and Mini-tremor at Tier 2

Posted by: Oliver 25 Nov 2014, 14:43

^ More like a Msta Tremor

Posted by: Mr.Kim 25 Nov 2014, 17:27

The correct name was Rapid Fire Artillery.