U.S. armored general too weak Options

[9ibest]

Under the most difficult level, basically no way to defend, or Chinese soldiers the most general calendar harm! When you use American armored generals is how to defend it? The next version step up the look?

在最难级别下，基本上没办法防守，还是中国士兵将军最历害！你们用美国装甲将军时是如何防守的？下一个版本中是否要加强一下？


PS:那位中国仁兄，帮着翻译一下吧，感谢先

[Dangerman]

Im not sure if you using the Armour general right, one of his playstyles is it mix different units instead of using one or two units as he lacks a jack of all trades unit (aside from the wraith tank when upgraded with the Missle launcher which can target aircraft), say for example have vulcan tanks which will reduce a infantry horde or massed light vehicles (though chinese generals/vanilia faction mostly lack light vehicle type units) to swiss cheese, gladiators against aircraft (they are a bit too weak against Aircraft IMO but havent played shockwave for ages though) etc.

What im saying is is that Most of his units are designed to kill one or two types of units while other sides/generals have plenty of units that can engage multiple units but the Armour general units does what they do very good (aside from the gladiator though IMO).

Also for defences Mix them up a bit a few component towers with vulcan cannons for infantry and Guardian cannons against tanks (though the number of component tower type can change depending on which type of opponent though).

My main point is that with Armour general you're supposed to mix and match units more than the other sides/generals, defences etc.

Then again i have never played online though .

This post has been edited by dangerman1337: 21 Aug 2010, 19:48

[9ibest]

Im not sure if you using him right, one of his playstyles is it mix different units instead of using one or two units as he lacks a jack of all trades unit (aside from the wraith tank when upgraded with the Missle launcher which can target aircraft), say for example have vulcan tanks which will reduce a infantry horde or massed light vehicles (though chinese generals/vanilia faction mostly lack light vehicle type units) to swiss cheese, gladiators against aircraft (they are a bit too weak against Aircraft IMO but havent played shockwave for ages though) etc.

What im saying is is that Most of his units are designed to kill one or two types of units while other sides/generals have plenty of units that can engage multiple units but the Armour general units does what they do very good (aside from the gladiator though IMO).

Also for defences Mix them up a bit a few component towers with vulcan cannons for infantry and Guardian cannons against tanks (though the number of component tower type can change depending on which type of opponent though.

Then again i have never played online though .

我用美国装甲将军，基本上无法防，你用中国士兵将军防同样一个敌人你就知道比装甲将军容易多了
I use the U.S. armored generals, basically can not prevent, you use the Chinese soldiers general anti-same enemy you know than the armor, General easier

[Erik]

Dont build any defenses as armor general, just mass Bradleys they kill everything with that missile launcher upgrade. Against heavy tanks add tank destroyers & howitzers. Voila invincible army...

[ComeOn]

我用美国装甲将军，基本上无法防，你用中国士兵将军防同样一个敌人你就知道比装甲将军容易多了
I use the U.S. armored generals, basically can not prevent, you use the Chinese soldiers general anti-same enemy you know than the armor, General easier

Yep- the concrete emplacements are practically useless. I suggest using them with howitzers.

[GuardianTempest]

Yep- the concrete emplacements are practically useless. I suggest using them with howitzers.

Unless if your opponent is an AI or should I say...AS?

[Dangerman]

TBH im not sure what he is saying though but my point still stand how to play the armour general generally.

Also somewhat relevant :

http://s912.photobucket.com/albums/ac326/D...rent=SWRlol.png

This post has been edited by dangerman1337: 20 Aug 2010, 17:14

[Babri]

If you are playing against AI you need Mammoth Tanks, Vulcan Tanks & Gladiator. The starting Wraith Tanks & rangers would be enough for early small attacks. Once you build war factory create a stryker (to repair damaged vehicles). Try to create about 2 Gladiators, 1 Vulcan Tank & few Mammoth Tanks. Once you build strategy center the most important thing is Col. Burton & then upgrade him with his special weapon. He can destroy light vehicles, infantry & even tanks. Try to build phalanx for anti air defence. Don't build too many anti tank concrete slabs earlier because they are too expensive. 1 or 2 would be enough. Place them only there where your army would take more time to reach.

EDIT : I tried to attach a replay with this post but I can't.

This post has been edited by Babri: 20 Aug 2010, 20:24

[Chyros]

As of the public version, the Armour general is probably the most overpowered general in every single way you can imagine. He has the best everything of everything.

[Shock]

No attack choppers

[R3ven]

No attack choppers

Who needs Choppers when two of his bombers take a GLA WF down to a GLA Hole with the Laser Missile Upgrade?

[Babri]

As of the public version, the Armour general is probably the most overpowered general in every single way you can imagine. He has the best everything of everything.

Salvage General RULES ! Armour is great but can't match General Mohmar.

[ComeOn]

TBH im not sure what he is saying though but my point still stand how to play the armour general generally.

I mean to put the emplacements at the front, and to put the howitzers at the back.

[JJ]

No attack choppers

Doesn't matter, the only one that is good enough to be worth investing a lot in is the Stealth Comanche anyway.

The AI in general is actually quite easy to figure out, build Bradleys, a lot of them, or if you prefer not to, use a combination of defences, Black Widows, Howitzers and Tank Destroyers. Anyway, they will just use a single path.

电脑其实不太有策划，你只须用很多Bradley即可，但如果你不要用，可以混合使用防卫，Black Widow，Howitzer和Tank Destroyer。无论如何，电脑每次都使用同样的路线攻击。

[Shock]

Doesn't matter, the only one that is good enough to be worth investing a lot in is the Stealth Comanche anyway.
电脑其实不太有策划,你只须用很多Bradley即可,但如果你不要用,可以混合使用防卫,Black Widow,Howitzer和Tank Destroyer。无论如何,电脑每次都使用同样的路线攻击。

Ehm, if you can't spam a certain unit doesn't mean it is not worth investing in.

All attack choppers are useful because they offer their own tactical option. No matter that the for example Tiger isn't very strong, if your opponent doesn't expect it they will be.

[JJ]

Ehm, if you can't spam a certain unit doesn't mean it is not worth investing in.

All attack choppers are useful because they offer their own tactical option. No matter that the for example Tiger isn't very strong, if your opponent doesn't expect it they will be.

Still, him lacking helicopters does nothing to make him weaker as a general, which was the point of that change in the first place.

[GuardianTempest]

A USA Version of Kwai?

[Frostyarmy]

The armor general is the most god dam powerful general to exist in shockwave right now , he has no weakness an absoulute and direct counter for every dam thing you can think off , it just depends how your using him , if armor general truely seems weak to you your doing it wrong.

[Dangerman]

The armor general is the most god dam powerful general to exist in shockwave right now , he has no weakness an absoulute and direct counter for every dam thing you can think off , it just depends how your using him , if armor general truely seems weak to you your doing it wrong.

TBH while i haven't played Shockwave for a while now last time i played i felt the gladiator while mediocre against infantry (understandbly balanced that way) i feel like it is too weak against jet aircraft.

Though your'e right about how your using him while he seems very powerfull and fits the "Brute force" factor alot he requires a lot of micromanaging as some screwups can destroy a force that is attacking say an enemy base.

[Frostyarmy]

No it doesn't , the dude is pretty powerful were are you getting your facts from , if anything vUSA / Laser / SWG require a shitton of micro. Armor is almost a replica of china you don't need to micro manage at all.


Infact i have a replay if you wanna watch of a online game vs another powerful general TANK

http://forums.swr-productions.com/index.ph...ost&p=26474

This post has been edited by Aaron: 21 Aug 2010, 20:16

[Chyros]

The armor general is the most god dam powerful general to exist in shockwave right now , he has no weakness an absoulute and direct counter for every dam thing you can think off , it just depends how your using him , if armor general truely seems weak to you your doing it wrong.

Exactly my point. Except from exploits, it's not really possible to actually lose as Ironside unless you really screw up.

[Dangerman]

Ok then i will watch it now i need to find a progam to open the file to watch it.


EDIT: Bugger i accidentaly set the opening program for windows media center and i can't seem to change it.

EDIT 2: Can change it but i can't seem to view it even with VLC media player...

This post has been edited by dangerman1337: 22 Aug 2010, 0:32

[Frostyarmy]

You use Zero hour replay viewer to watch it.... But you have to run shockwave 95.1 and No start units for it to work

[9ibest]

The armor general is the most god dam powerful general to exist in shockwave right now , he has no weakness an absoulute and direct counter for every dam thing you can think off , it just depends how your using him , if armor general truely seems weak to you your doing it wrong.

他每个单位的进攻是可以，但是在前几次敌人进攻时他却没有很好的单位去防守！还没等到你进攻的时间，已被敌人攻破了。。。

比如：中国步兵将军，在直升机里面装进导弹兵，能很机动的防守。美国装甲将军就没有这样的机动单位去防守。同样的敌人，装甲将军防守很难！
He can attack each unit, but the first few times he did not attack the enemy units to good defense! Not wait until the time you attack, the enemy has been defeated the. . .

For example: The Chinese infantry general, packed inside the helicopter missile troops, can be very mobile defense. General American armored mobile units would not like to defend. The same enemy, armored generals defend hard!

[JJ]

他每个单位的进攻是可以，但是在前几次敌人进攻时他却没有很好的单位去防守！还没等到你进攻的时间，已被敌人攻破了。。。

比如：中国步兵将军，在直升机里面装进导弹兵，能很机动的防守。美国装甲将军就没有这样的机动单位去防守。同样的敌人，装甲将军防守很难！
He can attack each unit, but the first few times he did not attack the enemy units to good defense! Not wait until the time you attack, the enemy has been defeated the. . .

For example: The Chinese infantry general, packed inside the helicopter missile troops, can be very mobile defense. General American armored mobile units would not like to defend. The same enemy, armored generals defend hard!

用Bradley啊，再加上TOW，就已经很强了（其实根本是太强了，须修改）。还有，不要忘记Javelin，他有很大的射程啊。

Use Bradley with TOW, or the long-ranged Javelin.