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Posted by: Massey 27 Aug 2009, 0:35

OK i have been thinking for a little bit about what the 2.0 shell map going to look like with 5 sides all to fit in to one "map" then it hit me! (and i got a boo boo from the hit....ouch! )

5 side.... 5 maps! this is more for 2.0 idea becuase it will be one hell of a lot of work. and no need for all running up visions.
....
after a random nub asked this question:

and replyed


this got me thinking!
if Hunter does the voodoo he do so well when it comes to shellmap. we going to get some realy good shellmaps but how will u get to see them all....

(note: i dont have RotR on my PC ATM need to re-download it)
idea 1

ok maybe some where on the menu screen. a plan star u click on and 5 coloured star shows up and u click on the side u want to watch. it closes back to the menu and u have to restart the game before the new shell map starts up.

or a better idea
Idea 2

(NOTE: thats meant to be restarted [Massey = bad english])
This one more or less needs no explan. so..... ur not getting one

Granted that Either...eIther plan will take one hell of lot of time to make work. if the RotR team did think this is a good idea. but then again just a random idea

but any way.... TY for ur time!
Massey

Posted by: Pickysaurus 27 Aug 2009, 0:37

It's not a bad idea, I'm sure you could add options like Quick Launch to select shellmaps too.

I would expect the final shellmap would just be one huge skirmish.

Posted by: C.o.m.m.a.n.d.e.r 27 Aug 2009, 0:40

i like that idea and u could also change the theme of the menu as well for each faction the only prob is, can the SAGE engine do it?

Posted by: KamuiK 27 Aug 2009, 2:14

SAGE cannot, HOWEVER the launcher can Just lots of work, but the effect were great.

Posted by: NergiZed 27 Aug 2009, 2:15

Well, currently we're not accepting ideas at the moment, but I'll give you my two cents on this.

Even if it's codable, it's a big gimmick that likely needs a lot of coding and requires us to make five complex scripted maps (of which we all need to test for bugs and glitches. It in no-way effects gameplay and is simply eye-candy; I think the more productive thing is for us to do is make more skirmish maps as well as work on the campaign.

Posted by: KamuiK 27 Aug 2009, 4:15

Yeah, however if Massey were to do it (I have seen his parades, if those where not scripted I have no idea what they were), there would be no problem, right?

Posted by: Pickysaurus 27 Aug 2009, 4:50

Massey lined all the units up in-game and had them march past. That can't be used as a shellmap sadly.

Posted by: KamuiK 27 Aug 2009, 5:19

Ok, when I line up units and let them parade, they still walk onto the same point resulting in more a cone shape than a parade.

Posted by: Pickysaurus 27 Aug 2009, 5:22

Ctrl + F = Formation, units stay same distance apart and move at the pace of the slowest.

Posted by: Zeke 27 Aug 2009, 5:56

well, it's possible to do it through the launcher same as how no start units work in shockwave. Problem is you'll have to make 5 versions of the mod :/

Posted by: Raven 27 Aug 2009, 6:37

I didn't know that

Posted by: Rayburn 27 Aug 2009, 8:22

You wouldn't imagine how much time, energy and - most importantly - nerves went into the CURRENT shell-map. Sure, it's awesome to look at but for something that is basically just an elaborate background image, there's no way in hell we're gonna do the same thing again FIVE TIMES. That's just overkill, and yet, the novelty of having five different shellmaps would quickly wear off as well. Plus, if we keep loading more and more ambitious ideas on our backs, the mod will be 'finished' around the time people play Command & Conquer 20...on friggin' Mars!

Posted by: KamuiK 27 Aug 2009, 12:51

Neither did I

Posted by: GDIZOCOM 27 Aug 2009, 14:35

Looks like a good idea.

Posted by: Jester 27 Aug 2009, 17:16

Its an awesome idea but like overdose has said it would be a massive strain on the team plus i remember some one said back at FS that the guy who worked on the shellmap nearly became zombiefied. He put massive amounts of time into the shell map and worked like the clappers to get it finished.

Posted by: Pickysaurus 27 Aug 2009, 20:22

Maybe, Massey, you could put together a trailer showing different sides in action. Kinda like the ZH intro.

Posted by: Raven 27 Aug 2009, 22:42

I just tried it and the whole control got assigned the bloody F character as you would have assigned a number :S.

Posted by: Pickysaurus 27 Aug 2009, 22:45

F = Formation (only works on groups of ground units)
Number = Hotkey/Macro number.

Posted by: Massey 27 Aug 2009, 23:28

u read my mind.... the next big idea i had was to make the "intro" vidoe but only after i got the symbol. from some one that can make that.

i even had a idea to follow the ZH like one.
u how ZH sead: u thought the war was over! u were wrong!

i was toying with:
you tought that you took 1 step to closer to lasting peace...................now u take 5 step back!
or
1 step to closer to lasting peace.........................5 step back!

just some ideas im toying around with.

Massey

Posted by: Pickysaurus 27 Aug 2009, 23:54

I'd suggest a no with the "5 steps back" part. Sounds too corny.

But something like that would be cool.

Something with the closing line "Now the attention of the world turned to Africa" maybe?

Posted by: Massey 28 Aug 2009, 0:15

i too think it was a little corny...

"Now the attention of the world turned to Africa"
RotR is fought in Euorpe, Africa and South American Union. to the best of my know how. so maybe it needs to be a little more general <---(hehe bad joke)

Massey

Posted by: Pickysaurus 28 Aug 2009, 0:23

Well that was just from the first paragraph of the Lore on the website.
You can do as you wish

Posted by: Massey 28 Aug 2009, 10:23

just a other random idea... maybe one map.... 5 camps (bases) With RotR team making maps now. maybe there be a realy good one for a 5 bases and the camera flying past all 5 watching all doing what they do best.... 1 vs 4

just a other random idea
Massey

Posted by: Casojin 28 Aug 2009, 11:32

I have an idea about shellmap. I think it should show some new features from the mod. Here it is...

- Pathfinder is using binocular to overlook a plain from the edge of a water fall. Camera focuses on his back, viewing the plain.
- Camera moves forward and rotates 180 degrees to show the waterfall and moves backward to the plain.
- Some ECA and Russian units (tanks, vehicles, heli) rush toward each other and fight.
- After some tank battle, the screen pans toward a town not too far away where Russian troops are pursuing ECA retreating infantries.
- USA A10s fly in and attack the Russian troops.
- USA light vehicles arrive and help the ECA.
- GLA tunnel appears and start attacking the USA or the GLA can appear from a forest nearby.
- Camera pans away toward the river nearby. There are some GLA defense.
- Chinese amphibious and heli move in across the river and attack those GLA.
- Chinese keeps attacking and GLA keeps reinforcing from tunnels.
- Camera moves back to the tank battle plain. ECA and Russian keep fighting with various units.
- Camera heads back toward the Pathfinder overlooking the tank battle plain.

What do you think? Is there too much detail?

Posted by: Massey 28 Aug 2009, 13:32

i like it! need a little more ECA. but still nice

Posted by: Pickysaurus 28 Aug 2009, 15:13

Good ideas, but sadly impossible until ECA are implemented.
Comr4de said the ECA units are nothing more than just art at the moment, nothing has been put into a playable game style yet.

Posted by: Casojin 28 Aug 2009, 23:02

If there is no ECA at the moment, just change them to USA.
I think it will give you the same feeling.

Posted by: Shock 28 Aug 2009, 23:16

The current shellmap is very large, it has enough room to implement GLA and ECA when they get in the mod.

Posted by: Massey 29 Aug 2009, 2:23

these are ideas for the 2.0 shellmap. no need to change it until 2.0 (cause the current one realy nicely done) (maybe just add a few "easter eggs" <---- i never understand where this term come from... u cant eat the things u find i made a bad joke rofl)



just thinking out loud here. but wouldnt it make more sence to have ECA in the middle (beening the turtle of the family) and have the 4 side come in for the kill? but then again maybe one vs 4 may not be the best way to go with this.

but then again u think about the story we been show so far. joint USA and China attack on Russia (then spilt up) GLA harass Russia (and less % other factions) and Russia attack ECA. so in a story sence it would make more sence to have Russia in the middle and 4 vs 1.

But Casojin brings up a good point about showing some new features from the mod. i cant speak for the GLA and ECA yet! but the idea of USA sniper using new ablite and USA hover tank rush behide a tank colum and China using hellfire migs to clear a side of a brige. all the none river tanks crossing brige and some crossing the river to flank (any) enermy with some han gunships for surrport or EMP drop to disable defences. all this seems good but....

well what im realy saying here is these seem to be a lot of ways this could go. each has its ups and downs.
any way i think i lost the reason why i started this post but i like to hear other points of view.

Massey

Posted by: KamuiK 29 Aug 2009, 2:45

From the germanic goddess 'Easter' who had those eggs to show she is capable of good children (amongst other things), and it was normal at that time to give boiled eggs colour to show they are boiled and can last longer than non-boiled ones (as in there is no fridge). So it became common to paint and hide those eggs as presents over the years. The christians then took over the habit, transscripted it to Jesus' resurrection and made their thing out of it, thus we have that still today. I hope this helps.

Posted by: Massey 29 Aug 2009, 4:27

rofl i meant game terms..... but thanks for the info any way

Posted by: Kirasama 29 Aug 2009, 14:23

in game terms are things hidden to be found its related to what kamuik explained, only instead of eggs they are usually other things

Posted by: KamuiK 29 Aug 2009, 15:42

Afaik there was an easter egg in the 1.0 Shellmap where on the train was a Kodiak-R of General Aleksander (if that counts as an easteregg).

Posted by: Pickysaurus 29 Aug 2009, 19:56

That was the easter egg, yes.
And there was a seriously OP unit in Shockwave, both shellmap and worldbuilder.

Posted by: Massey 29 Aug 2009, 20:19

i know that... i was the first one to annous that it was spoted. if i remember right i think it was a week and a half after release. (or maybe 2weeks )

Massey

Posted by: KamuiK 29 Aug 2009, 20:59

Apart from the Executioner Mech, there are also other easter eggs in ShW: 'All your base are belong to us!' sounds from the speaker tower, a road sign saying the same thing and the Microsoft truck.

Posted by: IonCharge 29 Aug 2009, 21:25

IIRC the "All your base are belong to us!" was originally in ZH...

Posted by: GrizzAFWX 29 Aug 2009, 23:42

Posted by: Pickysaurus 2 Sep 2009, 15:01

I've seen the truck, but what's this about the speaker tower?

That GLA quote is used by the Fundamentalists too.

Posted by: KamuiK 2 Sep 2009, 15:14

Read that, and you will understand:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us

Posted by: Pickysaurus 2 Sep 2009, 15:19

I know the origins of the phrase but I haven't heard it from speaker towers in-game :S

Posted by: KamuiK 2 Sep 2009, 15:31

You have to click on them several times, its random.

Posted by: Pickysaurus 2 Sep 2009, 18:56

Is it specific to one General? Because I just played at vChina and I never heard anything from clicking on it.
Unless it's in a Chinese kinda voice and hard to understand.

Posted by: KamuiK 2 Sep 2009, 19:31

Nope, it is just REALLY hard to get (a 1/8 chance I would say), when that really short sound comes where the dude says something like 'Comming' and AFTER that, the electronical sound, that is 'All your base are belong to us!'

Posted by: Pickysaurus 2 Sep 2009, 20:15

I still can't get it to do it :S
Maybe there's more conditions I haven't met yet or something.
I get a short voice, then it fades and there's like a Didgeridoo noise but nothing after that.

Strange...