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Mizo (ECA) vs XAOC-RU-ssia, Boris! Home alone!
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post 3 Feb 2017, 12:13
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Yeah I know what most people think about MG Boris in current state but accually it's a bit strange that people complain about frontliner hero which must be a bit stronger in open fight than Burton or maybe Jarmen coz all this heroes have different role in the game and it will be strange when you have equal heroes with same DPS but with non-equal abilities like C4 charge, Buiding capture, sabotage, or even oneshot heli sniping. This will be more dangerous if you do not have proper stealth detection or other thng which can kill this guy like snipers, sentry drones or other stuff which can kill him even with active stimpack. This game just demonstrate that there is no reason to underrestimate stealth detection or just proper countermeasures against Russian hero. You should have it like you have protection against Burton when you faces USA or China, otherwise your base will be blowed up or captured even faster than just destroyed by direct fire.
Another moment is current abuse of MG version Boris. Answer is simple there are not many moments when you can use RPG Boris and even less when you can se his support version. RPG Boris is good purely vs heavy tanks factions like RUssia with Sents and Mstas or Overlord-Nukes spaming China and less effective when you faces fast agile USA, GLA or simple ECA with this freaking dogs with snipers and other annoying stuff. Support version Boris in current state is less effective due to reson that you have better way to destroy enemies defenses by sending heavy armor and arty to blow them up and there is no need to use weak version of your hero to do that job. His grenades is shitty anyway and his assault rifle is much weaker than MG and can shoot only ground targets. Now about MG version. He have much more moments to use. You can scout, shoot at infantry, aircraft, light armored vehicles and face some heroes 1v1 like Burton or just ohter Boris with different weapon and kill him. But this do not mean that there is no way to kill him. You just need investment to this like vs any other hero.

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post 3 Feb 2017, 13:29
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What you say pretty much mirrors my experience to some extent. MG Boris is just the ideal hero you need if you are running an armored offensive (which you bloody well should as Russia!). But I disagree with your conclusion on the support variant with MIGs. Simply put, I actually feel that variant is OP as it basically turns him into a stealth artillery unit that can pelt your defenses from outside of their range and the range of any detector units. Yes you can counter him. But ultimately far too often the first and only warning you get is one of your defense structures blowing up and than you have to kick into panic mode to try and find and chase him down.


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post 3 Feb 2017, 13:29
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Well that's not cool......why upload this one game and not the other 4 Lagoon games we played?

Yes, this is an ego thing, something everybody has. you upload only 1 of the games that we had yesterday while ignoring the others , without my consent. That's not very admirable.

I know you were trying to prove a point by depicting this as "MG Boris is good, here is a proof why...." , but I'd bet you would get abit pissed if I did the same thing, taking only games that I had won and saying "Grenadier Pandurs are bullshit and here is proof" . Other games doesn't really depict the same outcome of Boris being OP with the proper counters.

Anyways am probably blowing this slightly out of propotion, but generally if you want to upload something without permission, it'd be better if you upload all the games you had with this someone in that session rather than the one (s) you won only. It creates bias.


Putting that aside, yeah MG Boris is outpreforming in his role since he takes a bite out of everything rather than being a specialized anti-infantry / aircraft as intended with his loadout. He can burst down defenses , buildings, deal a sizeable amount of damage to tans, rips buildings and choppers, and has a scout flare which covers one of Russia's weakness.

He's almost always the safest loadout to pick vs all factions in general as opposed to the loadout itself being equally situational alongside the other 2.

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post 3 Feb 2017, 14:51
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Mizo getting upset about a rep is 2015-2016.. era.. no one care anymore. post freely.. someone started the whole permission thing and it only makes our community shit

MG boris just like mizo said.. seems like an anti everything minigun instead of a anti inf/air .. rank three and a garrison near ur base means u loose all those buildings and his range is big enough to take out a anti garrison unit, so u need to send like 2 microwaves/tractors, or like 50 shmels to kill him, and u can just evac him and escape and then go back in like a troll.

and did i ever mention i lost like 6-7 hellions all targeting mg boris, some of them were vet 3 and they all died due to the aoe of the mini gun (i think its bull its a minigun not a flak gun) and he just used his slim pack and got away... THATS 7 HELLIONS. not 2-3 defuq?

his damage should be specific... mg is for inf/air rpg is for tank/light armor and air should be for structures..
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post 3 Feb 2017, 15:09
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Mizo getting upset about a rep is 2015-2016


Those were the days ....

I honeslty wouldn't mind the replay posting as long as it is uploaded in bulk ( I.E the whole game sessions). Otherwise it'd create bias from a balance analysis point of view as well. This replay shows MG Boris wrecking everything so it's easy to decide that he can't be countered, however in the other games we played during the same session, under the same circumstances Boris did get countered, which snowballed to defeat.

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post 3 Feb 2017, 15:20
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u have yet to encounter my boris mizo ^^
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post 3 Feb 2017, 15:29
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Timezones though......


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post 3 Feb 2017, 17:04
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QUOTE (Mizo @ 3 Feb 2017, 17:29) *
Well that's not cool......why upload this one game and not the other 4 Lagoon games we played?

Yes, this is an ego thing, something everybody has. you upload only 1 of the games that we had yesterday while ignoring the others , without my consent. That's not very admirable.

I know you were trying to prove a point by depicting this as "MG Boris is good, here is a proof why...." , but I'd bet you would get abit pissed if I did the same thing, taking only games that I had won and saying "Grenadier Pandurs are bullshit and here is proof" . Other games doesn't really depict the same outcome of Boris being OP with the proper counters.

Anyways am probably blowing this slightly out of propotion, but generally if you want to upload something without permission, it'd be better if you upload all the games you had with this someone in that session rather than the one (s) you won only. It creates bias.


Putting that aside, yeah MG Boris is outpreforming in his role since he takes a bite out of everything rather than being a specialized anti-infantry / aircraft as intended with his loadout. He can burst down defenses , buildings, deal a sizeable amount of damage to tans, rips buildings and choppers, and has a scout flare which covers one of Russia's weakness.

He's almost always the safest loadout to pick vs all factions in general as opposed to the loadout itself being equally situational alongside the other 2.

This replay posted by me just to show what happens when you or someone else do not care about hero countering and also that Boris is not OP. You just ignore that moment and do not make any countermeasures against possible Boris attack in this game and that why I was able to destroy half of you defences and economy with yours airforce with deployment zone and made him heroic. Sure any heroic unit will be much stronger. If you think that I post it to show that I'm pro and you just another weak player who had owned then you are wrong in your suggestion (honestly I did not expect this words from you. I can expect this from players like Bear or other annoying people who blaming me after each lose but not from such balanced person like you). And again read my post and the reason why I post this replay. Sure I can post other replays to show how did you win other games, also how we play on new Marakar's maps where you said that Mstas are OP and lose that game but this should be other topic/thread dont you think? It will be wrong to put all our 100 replays in one archive file and post it here. And what people will discuss after that? All our games and make a count who won more? No this style not for me. If you want you can post every game that you played even those where player disconnect in first minute of the game and say about this player: "He leaved because he affraid to play vs Mizo". I dont care. But I'm sure that you will not do that because you adecuate person. And sorry if there was misunderstanding between us but I think all people can post here what they want if this is not going against forum rules and do not insult anyone. I do not remember that this replay contain any insult for you in any form so I do not see the reason not to post it here. (For example memes with giant pictures against some people is much more insulting and stupid in my opinion, but I never heard that this is bad form of behavior because most of people here think that this is normal). I hope you understand me now and we will end this discussion now.

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post 3 Feb 2017, 17:46
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QUOTE (Zion @ 3 Feb 2017, 18:51) *
Mizo getting upset about a rep is 2015-2016.. era.. no one care anymore. post freely.. someone started the whole permission thing and it only makes our community shit

MG boris just like mizo said.. seems like an anti everything minigun instead of a anti inf/air .. rank three and a garrison near ur base means u loose all those buildings and his range is big enough to take out a anti garrison unit, so u need to send like 2 microwaves/tractors, or like 50 shmels to kill him, and u can just evac him and escape and then go back in like a troll.

and did i ever mention i lost like 6-7 hellions all targeting mg boris, some of them were vet 3 and they all died due to the aoe of the mini gun (i think its bull its a minigun not a flak gun) and he just used his slim pack and got away... THATS 7 HELLIONS. not 2-3 defuq?

his damage should be specific... mg is for inf/air rpg is for tank/light armor and air should be for structures..

1. You dont need 2 MT to killed garrisoned Boris if he not heroic maybe.
2. If you do not have any stealth detection at tier 2 why then you complain that someone came to you base and fucked up your eco units or just kill your supply collectors? There is no questions about Burton who will destroy your base if you not prepared for his possible infiltration or just captured buildings from safe distanse by Lotus. Yeah this two guys can just say NO to your T2 building or any other and they do not need much time to perform that. Boris is good against units with weak armor. He cannot destroy your internet center or IP or any other important building in few seconds.
3. Any faction can kill any other hero even without stealth detection. USA: just put 2 snipers near each supply and watch how Boris will die after each moment when he will try to attack ospreys. Or if you do not want to spend GP on that just make few sentry drones. 2 of them will guatrantee kill Boris if he not heroic and stimpack will not save him. ECA: HS and Jaeger. Bloodhounds with dogs may help to detect him. China: BL in some moments, upgraded troopcrawlers. Sure there is no direct hero killer for China but you have hordes of infernos which will be more dangerous than one unit. GLA: No comments. Best antihero hero smile.gif.
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post 3 Feb 2017, 17:50
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I post it to show that I'm pro and you just another weak player who had owned then you are wrong in your suggestion

u guys are both noobs biggrin.gif
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post 3 Feb 2017, 17:54
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There's will be no further discussion here because I went overboard about this and I know it. I blame Marakar for the morning test session that we had putting me in iffy mood. ( Because having 10 games against him tryharding with every BS tactics for testing purposes, to then come here and see a replay of a game that you failed in ,will surely keep you sane and overjoyed tongue.gif )

Anyways, I know that you did not have bad intentions when you posted the replay, and just wanted to showcase the danger behind Boris if he was left alone.
( still salty about that game though tongue.gif , I failed so hard ).


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post 3 Feb 2017, 17:56
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And now about Hellions and Hans. The only reason why they suck against Boris because they have bad antiinfantry machine guns or better say autocannos which kill any infantry very long. Hellion cannot even kill Burton during C4 planting. Comanchee do this fast. Just compare Comanches or even Vipers MG and you will see that 2 Comanchees kill Boris with stimpack

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XAOC could really use one of these:



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