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post 4 Jun 2012, 14:20
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They're not outright hostile, but their relationships are strained. In real life, they're currently on okay terms with each other, but in Zero Hour, China basically took the fast track to becoming the leading global superpower in the wake of the GLA war while Russia's economy continued to grow in baby steps even though the country was mostly ignored by the GLA. Basically, Russia could no longer keep pace with China and thus stopped being a potential strategic partner in the eyes of Beijing. After Zero Hour, the Chinese lend a lot of cheap credits to Europe which, in turn, uses them to get fuel and raw material from Russia for their reconstruction efforts, which finally allows Suvorov's Russia to catch up. However, by the time they do that, China regards them as an economic competitor rather than a viable partner. Obviously, maintaining a fair balance between two such juggernauts is difficult and none of them wants to be the junior partner. The incident involving Aleksandr's hidden base sparked a short military conflict between Russia and the US/China which was contained in Africa, ended in Russian victory and left both China and the US humiliated.

As for Jin, he keeps his eyes on Russia because there seems to be a growing Chinese minority population in Eastern Russia which, depending on the scale we're talking about, may also result in ethnic tensions.
China seems to be working on a 'civis romanus sum' kind of policy in which it seeks to guarantee the safety of its citizens even outside the Chinese homeland.
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post 4 Jun 2012, 14:41
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^China sent Jin all the way out in the Russian border just to guarantee the safety of its people outside China? That's... surprisingly noble.

I thought they were planning to claim the heavily ethnic Chinese populated lands of Eastern Russia using any half-valid excuse they can figure out. And the Euro crisis is the perfect excuse. I thought they predicted the war and once/if Russia starts having a disadvantage in the war China would immediately attack Russia from the East to "help out old Euro allies" while they'll also happen to "liberate" some of their own people in the process.

And as part of this plan Jin was sent to spy on those lands in advance or better stir up some kinda Chinese nationalist insurgence so the population become hostile towards Suvorov and willing to merge with China. Considering Russia's "assimilation treatment" towards other cultures it would be very likely that the ethnic Chinese people there are already unhappy for a bunch of reasons.

Maybe I am a bit too cynical. xD
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post 4 Jun 2012, 14:56
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A while ago I heard you mention that Russia will establish a beach head on US soil. I look forward to seeing this pan out and I'm expecting some really interesting and exciting lore. Could you shed any light at all as to what will happen during this confrontation? smile.gif


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post 4 Jun 2012, 15:04
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QUOTE (SpiralSpectre @ 4 Jun 2012, 15:41) *
^China sent Jin all the way out in the Russian border just to guarantee the safety of its people outside China? That's... surprisingly noble.

I thought they were planning to claim the heavily ethnic Chinese populated lands of Eastern Russia using any half-valid excuse they can figure out. And the Euro crisis is the perfect excuse. I thought they predicted the war and once/if Russia starts having a disadvantage in the war China would immediately attack Russia from the East to "help out old Euro allies" while they'll also happen to "liberate" some of their own people in the process.

And as part of this plan Jin was sent to spy on those lands in advance or better stir up some kinda Chinese nationalist insurgence so the population become hostile towards Suvorov and willing to merge with China. Considering Russia's "assimilation treatment" towards other cultures it would be very likely that the ethnic Chinese people there are already unhappy for a bunch of reasons.

Maybe I am a bit too cynical. xD


Well, this would all still be possible. If we decide to take the route and let the US and/or China intervene at some point, this particular course of action seems quite legitimate.

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A while ago I heard you mention that Russia will establish a beach head on US soil. I look forward to seeing this pan out and I'm expecting some really interesting and exciting lore. Could you shed any light at all as to what will happen during this confrontation? smile.gif


I hope this doesn't come off as a disappointment, but chances are there won't be such a thing of a Russian invasion on US territory - at least none that would be canon within the story; still gonna have something like a Washington-based skirmish map, obviously. But any mention of such events must have been quite a while ago when we still had a bit of a 'sure, why not?' approach to our story. But now, there've been so many games that depicted Russian attacks on American cities, it's become a trite cliché. Secondly, I would imagine that the Russians are busy enough dealing with the Europeans and the Americans are still hesitant as to whether they want to get involved or not. Provoking the sleeping giant was a very bad idea for the Japanese back in WW2 and the Russians in ROTR are obviously not suicidally overconfident to the point of just launching a US invasion for the hell of it. The fact that they're strategic allies of the South American Pact, however, still allows them to deter the US with the mere -possibility- that there may be Russian forces in South America that could push north the moment Washington decides to aid the Europeans; kind of like the concept of a fleet in being applied to ground forces in that theatre. In fact, the alliance with South America may have been created with this -exact- purpose in mind: Set up what could be regarded as a threat to US homeland security in order to make them think twice about deploying forces to Europe.

DO rest assured though that there will be an...'incident' during which Russian special forces enter the American homeland for a certain reason though...
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post 4 Jun 2012, 15:43
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I'd be more interested in seeing the inverse, then again that's equally unlikely for the reasons MARS already stated plus the whole "USA need to recover" thing.


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post 4 Jun 2012, 15:49
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IMO US probably wouldn't bother to help the Euros directly unless they have a good chance of gain from it. Considering ECA's pride they wouldn't agree to allow US to establish bases in their territory or be influenced by US that much even if US helps them win the war so US would have little to gain. US just got back on saddle and kicked up with full steam ahead in 2040s. It would be far too big of a risk to take part in the war immediately after total recovery and risk losing decades of recovery efforts and returning to their post ZH crisis. For all they are concerned there might be Ruskies in South America and if those Ruskies along with their SA pals storm to the North, they'll at least totally destroy Mexico which is now an important source of cheap labour for the US.

Considering all this I can see the majority of US people and thus their government would be willing to mind their own business and expansion. They'll say "let the UN handle this", which would actually mean "kiss my a*s. I'll play diplomacy and try to increase profit in world business to fully establish my old status while you newbie biggies kill each other." Even if they move out it would be when both the Russians and the ECA take quite a lot of damage.

China on the other hand would have their reputation to look after as the (perhaps self declared) global peacekeepers. Plus they would have chances of gaining Russia's Eastern territories by attacking Russia.
QUOTE (MARS @ 4 Jun 2012, 20:04) *
Well, this would all still be possible. If we decide to take the route and let the US and/or China intervene at some point, this particular course of action seems quite legitimate.

That's good to hear. I always thought of Jin as the head of secret police, he would be pretty much the "lawful evil" type. He would look after his people but he wouldn't be nice enough to just sit and guard his kin who are working for another land. He would definitely have some kinda plan cooking in his head.
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DO rest assured though that there will be an...'incident' during which Russian special forces enter the American homeland for a certain reason though...

This sounds really interesting. Considering post ZH state of US we can assume now US's home defense is as impenetrable as it gets. Russian special forces would have to be really crafty to be able to get in UIS undetected and this reason should be something huge for them to risk such actions. After all like you said, waking up a sleeping giant is a huge risk.

edit - Personally I love the sound of reverse. It's about bloody time we see a reverse. But yeah the chances are slim.

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post 4 Jun 2012, 18:59
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Btw i saw that the eca power source will be something called "solaris?" don't remember the name exactly.

The source of inspiration for the alternate energy is this ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_European_Torus
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post 4 Jun 2012, 19:08
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No, the European power source is not based on nuclear fusion. In fact, the name Solaris should be a bit of an obvious give-away regarding its nature.
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post 4 Jun 2012, 19:46
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Will the outer US states and territories, like Alaska, Hawaii, and Guam be involved in an invasion?

By the way, regarding future release plans, will we have one more version with the ECA before 2.0? Or will it be a stretch to 2.0 from now on?

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well natural fusion is actualy the sun...so i tought solaris = sun power smile.gif)

so they're power plants are actualy big solar plants
like http://gehkados.blogspot.ro/2012/04/worlds...ower-plant.html

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Actually, the Solaris is a Satellite in space, that collects solar energy, like the power plants, but in SPACE. The satellite then beams down the energy to a relay station, which then provides power to the entire base.

Regarding the Solaris, how much power will the ECA's power plants acquire?
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post 4 Jun 2012, 20:56
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QUOTE (Generalcamo @ 4 Jun 2012, 19:51) *
Actually, the Solaris is a Satellite in space, that collects solar energy, like the power plants, but in SPACE. The satellite then beams down the energy to a relay station, which then provides power to the entire base.

Regarding the Solaris, how much power will the ECA's power plants acquire?



that explains also how the superweapond work !

p.s. gdi ion cannon undercover mindfuck.gif
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post 4 Jun 2012, 21:09
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QUOTE (Generalcamo @ 4 Jun 2012, 20:46) *
By the way, regarding future release plans, will we have one more version with the ECA before 2.0? Or will it be a stretch to 2.0 from now on?


That part is not entirely finalised, but we always leave ourselves the option of having smaller patch releases in between.
In fact, we're currently working on one of those, which will contain fixes for the most pressing bug issues as well as some small new additions. After that, we're on to the ECA!
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post 4 Jun 2012, 22:27
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QUOTE (Generalcamo @ 4 Jun 2012, 13:51) *
Actually, the Solaris is a Satellite in space, that collects solar energy, like the power plants, but in SPACE. The satellite then beams down the energy to a relay station, which then provides power to the entire base.

Regarding the Solaris, how much power will the ECA's power plants acquire?


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post 4 Jun 2012, 22:37
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So, one power plant gives 999999999 energy?
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perhaps.


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If you guys do that, please don't add a build limit. It would cause a lot of problems. Add a build limit of say, three. As one superweapon strike would bring all of the defences down.


Actually, here is an idea I just thought about while typing this post. At first, all the europeans have are Gas fired powerplants. These give 6 power units per plant. But, once the Tier 2 Structure is built, it unlocks the Solaris Relay, making them have unlimited power.
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What was the result of the "Alaskan Incident", was the sattelite recovered or destroyed by the three opposing factions and how did the ECA and Russia infiltrate the US considering on of their reasons for retreating is to shore up homeland defense?


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QUOTE (Generalcamo @ 4 Jun 2012, 17:07) *
If you guys do that, please don't add a build limit. It would cause a lot of problems. Add a build limit of say, three. As one superweapon strike would bring all of the defences down.


Actually, here is an idea I just thought about while typing this post. At first, all the europeans have are Gas fired powerplants. These give 6 power units per plant. But, once the Tier 2 Structure is built, it unlocks the Solaris Relay, making them have unlimited power.

Majority of their defenses don't require energy.

It would be silly for an artillery crew to suddenly not be able to fire just because the lights went out. Unless they are afraid of the dark aw.gif


All I will say is that the ECA Solaris program does wonders.


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One more thing, in the real world, Egypt and Sudan have ties to the UK, Sudan is actually applying into the commonwealth of nations. Ingame, I see civilians clashing with the Chinese. Perhaps spice up the lore with a Civilian/Chinese/ECA conflict?
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post 5 Jun 2012, 3:12
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QUOTE (Generalcamo @ 5 Jun 2012, 4:07) *
If you guys do that, please don't add a build limit. It would cause a lot of problems. Add a build limit of say, three. As one superweapon strike would bring all of the defences down.

I hope no more build limit comes along the way. Nothing meant to anyone, it's just that I personally find build limits to be lazy and inappropriate balancing. Ironic that the first time I realised the problems of applying build limits was when I read a SWR member's comments/debate on Mod DB, I think it was in the TOPOL-M discussion.

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QUOTE (Jester @ 4 Jun 2012, 14:56) *
A while ago I heard you mention that Russia will establish a beach head on US soil. I look forward to seeing this pan out and I'm expecting some really interesting and exciting lore. Could you shed any light at all as to what will happen during this confrontation? smile.gif


Russia invading the US would be a logistical nightmare especially after invading Europe. COD 3 did it, and that made no sense whatsoever. I've never tried to invade the free world (except for that one time) but it would be something I'd space out, maybe one continent at a time. tongue.gif


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QUOTE (Jester @ 4 Jun 2012, 15:56) *
A while ago I heard you mention that Russia will establish a beach head on US soil. I look forward to seeing this pan out and I'm expecting some really interesting and exciting lore. Could you shed any light at all as to what will happen during this confrontation? smile.gif


The Russians won't last long, even if the overcome the problem about logistics they will face one hell of a resistance from armed civilians and remnants of the police (if any survived) , plus since their homland being attacked, the nearby National Guard units will fight fiercely.


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Hence why the US is not really getting invaded. The Russians are already making enough of an international pariah out of themselves by occupying Europe and in the event of a victory, they'd require decades to consolidate their power over what would then be their own personal Eurasia. It's either make or break: If they win, they get their chance to rewrite history in their favour and face the rest of the world with a fait accompli. If they fail, they will be set back to the 1990s and then some.
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