Rise of the Reds Update: There'll always be an England Options

[Nemanja]

Medics actually have an 'evacuate wounded' ability. ECA infantry units that reach zero health don't 'die' per se; they actually drop to the ground and remain there as wounded for several seconds (much like Russian wreckages) and a Medic who uses the ability will turn them into a cash-refund for you. And yes, you can ONLY recover them if they did NOT die due to flames, tesla, toxin, high-explosives etc.

That means that those medics are similar to Battlefield 2 Medics ?
Sounds interesting.Medics use Scorpions . . . It seems in the end that Czechs will have their part at ECA side although it is only a detail.

[Serialkillerwhal...]

So grenadiers are more of a defensive soldier.
Can they fire out of Garrisons?

Oh and on the subject of medics, Does microwave screw up the refund?

[Col._Sandfurz]

So grenadiers are more of a defensive soldier.
Can they fire out of Garrisons?

Oh and on the subject of medics, Does microwave screw up the refund?

I am pretty sure they do, as microwaves burn infatry to death. The only difference from napalm is that it burns you from inside..

Great update, did definately not expect it. That makes it even better
I love the grenadier
And nice to see a second female unite

Greetings

[MARS]

So grenadiers are more of a defensive soldier.
Can they fire out of Garrisons?

Oh and on the subject of medics, Does microwave screw up the refund?

It may seem like they can in the story for dramatic purposes, but in-game, they cannot be garrisoned. Believe me when I say that a structure with 10 Grenadiers would wipe out pretty much everything that doesn't fly our outrange them.

As for the microwaves...Like HELL it does. The guys are set on fire and explode into pieces. There's no recovery from THAT.

[X1Destroy]

Han's EMP cannons?

[Planardweller]

Han's EMP cannons?

Unless counts as explosive, i would say no. But flame hans will surely do.

[Col._Sandfurz]

Some questions came in mide as a read the story again:

1. You said there were IL-76 transport aircrafts.. does this mean that Orlov is going to invade GB with his VDV?
2. And as PAK-FA's are escorting it, does Aleksander paly also a role in the invasion of England or is he still in France?
3. Are the BTR-80's (I've seen them in RL pictures two times now) making a appearence?
4. I forgot to ask you this in the "The Fourth Estate" Updage: Jäger said: "We are coming for you, Aleksan*static*".. what does he mean.. does he know something about the complot of Suvorov and Aleksander or is that only because of the cruelty of his shockdivisions?

[MARS]

1. You'll learn more about the composition of this invasion in part 2 it would obviously have an airborne component as well.
2. Aleksandr is basically an evil version of the WW2 general Eisenhower: He's the supreme military commander directly in charge of the Russian invasion and pulling the strings from his headquarters in Berlin.
3. Time will tell.
4. As said above: Aleksandr is 'in charge' of the invasion, he's in Berlin and he's a heartless bastard. That's plenty of reasons for a guy like Jaeger to declare a personal war on him.

[Dangerman]

I'm guessing we'll see Charles' artillery seen in the teaser in usual update form in the next part or third. Also is it me or are the frequency of the updates going faster as we get closer to release (Christmas release ?) ?

[Planardweller]

I'm guessing we'll see Charles' artillery seen in the teaser in usual update form in the next part or third. Also is it me or are the frequency of the updates going faster as we get closer to release (Christmas release ?) ?

Hush, don't remind the team and enjoy the show.

[Spejjarn]

MARS, I totally accept the lore reason why Combat Medics arm themselves. I am, however, a bit curious of the game mechanics reason: I am guessing that you wanted to avoid the "issue" that if you order an armed & unarmed mix of units to move to attack a target (i.e. not attack move) the unarmed units will stay put and the armed units will charge ahead without support from the unarmed support unit, just like the case with (vanilla) ECM Tanks when you order your battlegroup to attack a structure. How close to the truth am I?

[MARS]

MARS, I totally accept the lore reason why Combat Medics arm themselves. I am, however, a bit curious of the game mechanics reason: I am guessing that you wanted to avoid the "issue" that if you order an armed & unarmed mix of units to move to attack a target (i.e. not attack move) the unarmed units will stay put and the armed units will charge ahead without support from the unarmed support unit, just like the case with (vanilla) ECM Tanks when you order your battlegroup to attack a structure. How close to the truth am I?

That's completely spot-on, actually.

[swVen]

Well, enjoying the ECA and I have some big hopes and the prospects of playing the faction.

I had a big guess way back that the combat medic was going to come in from the initial images when ECA came out (I think it was the FELIN update).

POSSIBLY I may have misinterpreted that image, maybe it was a gen. power or some other infantry ability, but hey, at least I had some correct prospects of infantry healing.
Went through my little checklist, of course it's not an ambulance or some healing tower, so it would probably be infantry.
Besides the fact I was a big Charles fan from his lore way back in 2011, and I guessed he probably needed good infantry, combat medics.


Now with the updates up and coming, I just have a few questions:

1) (and I have a feeling someone will quote "not definitive, still need balances"), how does Charles stack up against the previous general, Zhukov. I feel like they both would be pretty even.

(this is probably wrong or it slipped my mind), isn't Zhukov the one who deploys the miniature, money-hungry Topol?

If so, I'm guessing that Zhukov is designed for the "shotgun from the skies", "LEVEL the playing field", "clean sweep the area, mop up, repeat", "drop enough shells and missiles, they'll cover up our precision".

While Charles seems slightly more like US Artillery doctrine (Tomahawk, not WASP). Precise, "one shell, one hit, at that one moment", coupled with Air Force. Seems more like a "combined arms" type of commander.
Is my hunch correct?
So how will these two stack up? Fairly even in an Artillery "shoot out?" Or will it be on a "case-by-case" basis?


2) This is the obvious, (dumb to some), and humorous question to me.
Will the medic be able to level up? Or will it be treated slightly like the sentry drone (no leveling)?

3) How does grenadier stack up to the ECA panzerfaust soldiers? More AoE, increased precision, lower mobility, increased price?
I'm also assuming range, since I do recall the "put ten of these guys, they will blow everything up that's not air or artillery". So..."pathfinder-ish" range?

4) And now, for the wild guess.
I'm assuming this guy will be the one who gets to use gen-power infantry deployment?

[Pickysaurus]

A lot of you questions will remain up in the air until 2.0 becomes a reality.

Medic levelling up, as far as I know it won't from healing and I haven't had one alive long enough to see it level from attacking (Had one garrisoned but didn't check back.)

Grenadier isn't the same roll as Panzerfaust it's kind halfway between them and FELINs, supresses vehicles and infantry well but doesn't excel at either.

[CheoRock]

But yeah, by the time this happens, it's basically the ECA's darkest hour and the next two updates will deal with this invasion in-detail. Both the Medic and the Grenadier will have Brit accents in-game but they'll be a common unit.

I just love it... The all idea of a russian invasion to the British Island really freak me out.
Very nice update comrades.

[ArsenalXA4]

After reading about the Medic and what some people have said I can't help but picture one shovelling a soldier's ashes into a coffee tin by hand.

[Alex1guy]

After reading about the Medic and what some people have said I can't help but picture one shovelling a soldier's ashes into a coffee tin by hand.

*Meanwhile at an ECA base*

"The Russians have been repelled from the British shoreline captain, with minimal casualties too!"

"Minimal? Ivan must have had at least five thousand men coming over that channel. How the bloody hell did we manage minimal casualties!?"

"Well, sir the medics did a great job or recovering the wounded!" *Holds up a coffee tin*

"What the hell is that?"

"It's the Blackwatch sir!"

This post has been edited by Alex1guy: 6 Dec 2012, 5:33

[Massey]

[Serialkillerwhal...]

Technically those are casualties
The dead ones are fatalities (or did they change that?)

[Xofolez]

@Genmotty- great song! We the RF cannot wait to hear it from our prison mines in Siberia! haha jk, but ya I liked it, it kinda reminded me of the song sung mid mission halfway through the campaign in Ace Combat 4! Good times

@Massey- need more BMP! lol but nice caption of the moment, FYI I love that map!

Below is my comment from ModDB that which i C&P ...as for my vote, I may have or have not voted for ROTR a week ago, but that is classified and reserved for a RTS Expansion mod that is sweeping the world of RTS off its feet.

The current invasion of Ramsgate, UK would project that the Russians currently have a hold on the Belgium territory and northern French coast (possibly and most likely so, as it would be needed in order to launch a safe attack against England of this size quickly). I project that the harbors at Knokke-Heist or Dunkirk and that it is a possible combined attack of Tactical Ballistics General, General Zhukov (less likely, but its been a year since his "muck up" in Netherlands and its obvious that the Baltic sea or at least the North Sea and Northward are Russian inhabited waters) and Advanced Weapons General, General Aleksandr and his Shock Divisions.

I have a theory about the Blackout Nodes. Alek's Shock Divisions and even Spetsnaz teams would likely be able to infiltrate foreign territory undetected as part of a covert operation to tamper with cellular towers, antennas, satellite dishes, whatever it may be, so long as it can send out and/or receive wave frequencies. The teams would begin installation of a device or program (which ever is more appropriate). Blackout nodes being stealth themselves, makes it even more believable as the node would blend in with its environment unless detected by technological means. The other, less effective way to theorize the "how the hell did that get in m base undected" is simply that the parent device-X was hacked from somewhere like Moscow.


...though I am curious if there will be a mobile blackout node-base unit for on of the Russian generals like Russia has in RA1, I believe it was one of the expansion games if not the original that blackout tech was used.

[MARS]

Now with the updates up and coming, I just have a few questions:
1) (and I have a feeling someone will quote "not definitive, still need balances"), how does Charles stack up against the previous general, Zhukov. I feel like they both would be pretty even.
(this is probably wrong or it slipped my mind), isn't Zhukov the one who deploys the miniature, money-hungry Topol?
If so, I'm guessing that Zhukov is designed for the "shotgun from the skies", "LEVEL the playing field", "clean sweep the area, mop up, repeat", "drop enough shells and missiles, they'll cover up our precision".
While Charles seems slightly more like US Artillery doctrine (Tomahawk, not WASP). Precise, "one shell, one hit, at that one moment", coupled with Air Force. Seems more like a "combined arms" type of commander.
Is my hunch correct?
So how will these two stack up? Fairly even in an Artillery "shoot out?" Or will it be on a "case-by-case" basis?
2) This is the obvious, (dumb to some), and humorous question to me.
Will the medic be able to level up? Or will it be treated slightly like the sentry drone (no leveling)?
3) How does grenadier stack up to the ECA panzerfaust soldiers? More AoE, increased precision, lower mobility, increased price?
I'm also assuming range, since I do recall the "put ten of these guys, they will blow everything up that's not air or artillery". So..."pathfinder-ish" range?
4) And now, for the wild guess.
I'm assuming this guy will be the one who gets to use gen-power infantry deployment?

1.) While they do seem kinda similar, there's a major difference: Zhukov's artillery units (Topol excepted) still work under the usual in-game artillery mechanics whereas Charles gets ECA Howitzers and the Claymore, which have greater range than any other artillery that can be mass produced. Zhukov also gets no special planes whereas Charles will have both the Goshawk and the Harrier. To compensate, Zhukov's artillery will be ultra-splashy and backed up by the ground assault capabilities of vanilla Russia, making him arguably more powerful at forcing a massive breakthrough than Orlov or Aleks. Also, it's worth noting that the ECA is very different from the US in that many of their weapons are also quite splashy. It's basically a western faction without the US precision theme which also adds to their unique feel.
2.) I do think they can level up just like any other unit since they can technically kill other infantry; they're just not good at it at all.
3.) Grenadiers and Panzerfausts are not filling the same niche. Panzerfausts are dedicated AT, garrisonable and more mobile whereas Grenadiers are walking turrets that, when set up, dish out massive damage against infantry and light vehicles but they're kinda lacking if you try using them offensively due to setup/displace delays.
4.) The special infantry unit that was hinted at earlier will actually be available to all ECA generals via gen-power.

The current invasion of Ramsgate, UK would project that the Russians currently have a hold on the Belgium territory and northern French coast (possibly and most likely so, as it would be needed in order to launch a safe attack against England of this size quickly). I project that the harbors at Knokke-Heist or Dunkirk and that it is a possible combined attack of Tactical Ballistics General, General Zhukov (less likely, but its been a year since his "muck up" in Netherlands and its obvious that the Baltic sea or at least the North Sea and Northward are Russian inhabited waters) and Advanced Weapons General, General Aleksandr and his Shock Divisions.

I have a theory about the Blackout Nodes. Alek's Shock Divisions and even Spetsnaz teams would likely be able to infiltrate foreign territory undetected as part of a covert operation to tamper with cellular towers, antennas, satellite dishes, whatever it may be, so long as it can send out and/or receive wave frequencies. The teams would begin installation of a device or program (which ever is more appropriate). Blackout nodes being stealth themselves, makes it even more believable as the node would blend in with its environment unless detected by technological means. The other, less effective way to theorize the "how the hell did that get in m base undected" is simply that the parent device-X was hacked from somewhere like Moscow.

...though I am curious if there will be a mobile blackout node-base unit for on of the Russian generals like Russia has in RA1, I believe it was one of the expansion games if not the original that blackout tech was used.

Good thinking. The Russians are meant to have the Netherlands, Belgium and northern France by this point, allowing them to mount an invasion across the Channel in an area where the trip would be relatively short, but somewhat predictable. Mr. Knjaz was actually right when he pointed out how messy this is going to get: The Russians are basically assaulting a fortified town without bombing it to crap - they want to take the docks intact to bring in heavy hardware once they consolidate. Someone has already pointed this out on ModDB: It may seem odd that this massive invasion force was detected by a group of footsoldiers rather than long-range radar, satellite recon etc. but the Russians -do- have those nasty Blackout Nodes.

[Serialkillerwhal...]

Just exactly how effective is the blackout node? I mean lore wise, It seems it just works on radar on something, i really don't see how it can work on regular spectrum light.

[MARS]

They don't render things invisible to the naked eye, but it's been stated years ago that the Russians successfully masked much of their initial invasion force at the border with the help of Blackout Nodes. For all we know, the naked eye is about the only thing that -can- reliably detect something covered by them which is also represented in-game: Units under a Blackout Node are not actually stealthed in the sense that you need to bring detectors, but covered in fog, meaning that you can't target them with powers/superweapons and that you have to get a guy there to take an actual look at them.

[X1Destroy]

And the USA can just clear the fog with their satelites.............

[Xofolez]

only for a mere moment, but the Americans are not getting involved until they get kicked in the shin- IE the Embassy is harassed/assaulted by ECA or RF. They will do what they did before they entered the war in WW2 and just leave it to Europe to deal with while they sit back with a baseball glove in one hand and a beer in the other. They are likely being evacuated/ quarentined from the continent anyway- kinda like a snobby euro way of saying mind your own business!

hmmm Bruce's little fanfic comes to mind here....perhaps Bruces lady will be a volunteer medic

This post has been edited by Xofolez: 6 Dec 2012, 8:33