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post 22 May 2013, 21:49
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Wait wait . . .
Bomb truck for just one GLA general !?!??
I thought 2.0 will not use ZH "Lets cripple one (or two) General(s) to make it (them) "unique"),
Bomb Truck is essential bit of arsenal of faction like GLA,in fact I'll go far to call it game decider
alongside Phantom Angry Mob,why you guys decided for such a radical move ?
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post 22 May 2013, 22:32
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Remember, the removal of one unit from one General does not mean the crippling of another. While one may not have a bomb truck per say, they might have another unit fulfilling a similar role (A bomb buggy for example, or Partisans)

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post 23 May 2013, 5:32
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QUOTE (MARS @ 23 May 2013, 2:03) *
Obsolete/misleading information will be marked in red. Consider them outdated and do not mention them anywhere.

Could we mention which units had their affiliation changed during development in the trivia section? Like mentioning Terrorist was originally planned to be unique to Terror Cell but became a generic GLA unit later?
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Wait wait . . .
Bomb truck for just one GLA general !?!??
I thought 2.0 will not use ZH "Lets cripple one (or two) General(s) to make it (them) "unique"),
Bomb Truck is essential bit of arsenal of faction like GLA,in fact I'll go far to call it game decider
alongside Phantom Angry Mob,why you guys decided for such a radical move ?

That has been in the ini for ages... anyway the other two won't get the Bomb Truck but they could be getting completely different unique units instead, units that would fit in their theme. Like Warlord might actually get a completely new, not yet introduced vehicle that represents "overwhelming brutality" instead of suicide rushing Bomb Trucks.

Plus like you said, Bomb Trucks are game deciders. Would you like every single GLA gen to get the same game decider to decide their games? How would that be distinct? Its the same reason I really support making other game deciders like Ovies or Paladins unique as well (naturally provided other gens get something different yet equally awesome to decide their games which common sense suggests they would).
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post 23 May 2013, 13:59
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QUOTE (swedishplayer-97 @ 23 May 2013, 3:38) *
You don't have to specify if you did it Knossos, but you could remove the "[ToDo]" from the top.


Oh that, I was afraid of doing that, and it lets you know that you could still edit it.


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post 23 May 2013, 16:07
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Question; I want to build an article about the two ECA prtocols (Manticore and Pandora) Should I build in one article or separately?


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post 23 May 2013, 16:16
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Er, the unit pages for the Manticore and Pandora already exist.

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post 23 May 2013, 16:38
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QUOTE (Knossos @ 23 May 2013, 21:07) *
Question; I want to build an article about the two ECA prtocols (Manticore and Pandora) Should I build in one article or separately?

If you're talking about writing an article on the level 5 gen power then I say put them in the same article since its a single gen power.
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post 23 May 2013, 17:31
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Right. The unit themselves (Manticore, Pandora, Venom eventually) should all get their own articles but you can make a combined article that deals with the protocols themselves, i.e. why the ECA got pushed to the point of using what is essentially a 21st century version of the infamous Wunderwaffen, the details and implications of each protocol in-lore and in-game etc. This is definitely the stuff that should be rolled into one article.
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post 24 May 2013, 3:06
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QUOTE (MARS @ 24 May 2013, 0:31) *
Right. The unit themselves (Manticore, Pandora, Venom eventually) should all get their own articles but you can make a combined article that deals with the protocols themselves, i.e. why the ECA got pushed to the point of using what is essentially a 21st century version of the infamous Wunderwaffen, the details and implications of each protocol in-lore and in-game etc. This is definitely the stuff that should be rolled into one article.


Right, thanks.


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post 24 May 2013, 17:02
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So, right now the Rise of the Reds-universe has a game, a wiki and a map. Could we expect a timeline in the future?


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post 24 May 2013, 17:19
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We have a timeline on the main website and I'll likely be expanded/updated for the Wiki at some point after it's all finished.
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post 24 May 2013, 17:23
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QUOTE (MARS @ 24 May 2013, 18:19) *
We have a timeline on the main website and I'll likely be expanded/updated for the Wiki at some point after it's all finished.


Well I meant some sort of list, like:

- March 30, 2039: GLA sabotages bla bla bla.
- August 14, 2040: A Russian helicopter gets destroyed when etc. etc.

Something like that?


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post 24 May 2013, 17:34
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We should only use years and months (if mentioned), not days because that only makes things messy and more difficult to keep track of. Every year in which something important happens should have all the events listed in chronolical order without exact days, exceptions being updates which literally mention full dates because several important events are happening within a short timespan.
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post 24 May 2013, 18:45
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MARS, can you read the small discussion between me and Odhora here and decide which would be better: http://generalsrotr.wikia.com/wiki/Tunnel_Defender#comm-3396


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post 24 May 2013, 19:21
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I'd be in favour of using the newer template from now on because some units don't have abilities or aren't entirely defined by their abilities. I'm also in favour of this because it moves the abiltiies and upgrades further down and lines them up more closely with the tactics which seems appropriate and helps to make the main unit box less full. I admit that it'll be a bit of a hassle to convert all existing pages, but it's still better to decide on a definitive format now than later. Also, I definitely like the dark grey colours on that new template (the one with the Paladin as the example)
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post 24 May 2013, 20:38
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QUOTE (swedishplayer-97 @ 24 May 2013, 12:45) *
MARS, can you read the small discussion between me and Odhora here and decide which would be better: http://generalsrotr.wikia.com/wiki/Tunnel_Defender#comm-3396


We had already decided to use the new two-unitbox template a few months ago.
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post 24 May 2013, 20:52
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For information on how to edit the wiki, go to the navigation bar and hover over "Wiki Information", then click on Page Template or Formatting & Technical Info. These are constantly being updated by me.
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post 25 May 2013, 3:12
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Then shouldn't "notes" be moved to the second unitbox as well? IMO notes should be close to/come after the "abilities" section as these two are often connected... more like notes lists the "negative abilities" of the units.

And honestly speaking notes should be mentioned at the end of a presentation (ie in the end of the second box), not in the middle of it (ie the end of the first box).
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post 28 May 2013, 17:59
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Notes are for things like "Coming in ROTR Version 1.82", or "Information as of ROTR Version 1.7".
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post 29 May 2013, 4:37
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Actually note like "Information as of ROTR Version 1.7" is just more reason to add the notes to the second box. Abilities and upgrades are part of the information as well. It looks odd if we put "Information as of ROTR Version 1.7" right in the middle of the information. Pretty sure these stuff can be said before or after the information, not in the middle of it.

And notes are frequently used to add stuff like - x unit can't garrison, explodes upon death, must reload after y shot, build limit of 1, must wait z time before training another one etc. Seems like after 1.82 all the drone power requirements will also go there.
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post 30 May 2013, 3:40
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QUOTE (SpiralSpectre @ 28 May 2013, 23:37) *
And notes are frequently used to add stuff like - x unit can't garrison, explodes upon death, must reload after y shot, build limit of 1, must wait z time before training another one etc. Seems like after 1.82 all the drone power requirements will also go there.
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Personally, I think stuff like that would fit better in the Unit Description, not the Notes. The notes should be more of an aside thing just to say stuff like "Unit coming out in 1.82, or 2.0, or unit has been renamed blah blah blah (im lookin at you, viper!)


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post 30 May 2013, 8:05
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QUOTE (InsurgentCell @ 30 May 2013, 8:40) *
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Personally, I think stuff like that would fit better in the Unit Description, not the Notes. The notes should be more of an aside thing just to say stuff like "Unit coming out in 1.82, or 2.0, or unit has been renamed blah blah blah (im lookin at you, viper!)

As far as I know info about unit being renamed usually gets placed in the Trivia section of wikis.

Regardless the first question still remains. If you put "Information as of ROTR Version 1.7" in the notes then it looks odd if you say that right in the middle of the information, after giving info about the cost, build time etc but before info about upgrades, abilities etc. Ofc if you strictly only put things like "Coming in ROTR Version 1.82" then it probably doesn't matter where the notes get placed.

Again personally I think stuff like "can't garrison" or "explodes upon death" are pretty necessary that should be mentioned somewhere in the unitbox. Not necessarily in the Notes section, but it should be somewhere in there. But it's your call.
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post 30 May 2013, 17:55
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Putting notes between Unitbox and upgrades gives it a high chance to be seen and read.
Trivia is mainly for trivial things not related to the Mod itself, such as the Paladin Example.
Sections can be added to the UnitBox if need be, but a box solely for garrisons or explosions on death seems overkill. Explodes on death could be put in the |useguns section if need be.
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post 31 May 2013, 13:38
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I couldn't do any work to the UnitBoxes last night, due to the power going out, and then staying out for my half of the street, and all of the city East of us.
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post 1 Jun 2013, 9:43
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Our next update still takes a while but for those of you who are coming here for the story, here's part 1 of our official canon timeline. I'd say we should also post this on the Wiki at some point:

Part 1: Before Generals/ZH; 1980s-2019
Part 2: Generals and ZH; 2019-2028
Part 3: The interwar period; 2028-2040
Part 4: Rise of the Reds; 2040-

PART I - THE NEW MILLENNIUM

1980
- The US Army introduces the M1 Abrams main battle tank.

1981
- The US Army introduces the M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicle.

1982
- The later American General Gregory Townes is born.

1983
- The later Russian General Leonid Vasilyevich Zhukov is born in St. Petersburg.
- The later British General Charles Cutting is born in the East End of London.

1985
- The US government allocates a black budget of 455 million Dollars for the Aurora project which is rumored to be the codename of a top-secret hypersonic reconnaissance plane to replace the SR-71 Blackbird.
- The later Russian President Nikolai Abramovich Suvorov is born in Moscow.

1988
- The later German General Wolfgang-Maximilian von Kuerten is born in Ulm.

1989
- The later Chinese General Bao Jin loses his parents in the Beijing student protests and is subsequently raised by a state orphanage.
- The Fall of the Berlin Wall marks the beginning of the end of the German Democratic Republic.
- The later 'Death Merchant' and GLA leader Anwar Sulaymaan is born in Haditha, Iraq.

1990
- Operation Desert Storm. A US-led coalition intervenes in Iraq after the country had invaded its neighbor Kuwait. US Air Force Lieutenant Malcolm Granger destroys four enemy SAM sites in a single afternoon during SEAD operations around Baghdad.
- The US Army introduces the M1097 Avenger anti-air vehicle.
- The later Dutch General Willem van der Meer is born in Bergharen.
- West and East Germany are re-united as the Federal Republic of Germany.

1991
- Communist hardliners launch a failed coup against the provisional government of Russia. The Soviet Union is dissolved and Boris Yeltsin becomes the first President of the Russian Federation.

1992
- The later Russian General Yevgeny Romanovich Orlov is born in Irkutsk.
- The Maastricht Treaty is signed, transforming the European Community into the European Union and setting the goal to create a shared currency.

1999
- Russian President Yelsin resigns on December 31 and is replaced by Vladimir Putin in the following year.

2001
- The September 11 attacks are carried out by a group of Al Qaeda terrorists, resulting in the death of 2.996 people.
- Operation Enduring Freedom. A US-led coalition invades Afghanistan to topple the Taliban regime and hunt down the Al Qaeda leadership.

2002
- The Euro is introduced as the new official currency of several European countries.
- Leonid Zhukov is deployed to Grozny during the Second Chechen War.

2003
- Operation Iraqi Freedom. A US-led coalition of countries invades Iraq after its government was accused of possessing weapons of mass destruction.

2004
- The 15-year-old Anwar Sulaymaan takes part in the fight against American troops during the Battle of Fallujah.

2005
- A shady Jordanian immunologist, only known by his internet pseudonym 'Dr. Thrax' disappears into a terrorist-controlled ghetto in Cairo, Egypt.

2006
- British Army Lieutenant Charles Cutting is deployed to the Afghan province of Helmand.
- The Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is captured by US forces and subsequently trialed and executed.

2007
- The Russian military tests the Father of all Bombs, the most powerful non-nuclear bomb ever detonated.

2008
- For the first time in the history of China, the Olympic Summer Games are hosted in Bejing.
- Leonid Zhukov is deployed to Gori during the South Ossetia War.
- Eugene Griffon enlists for the US Air Force and undergoes training as a drone technician.
- The Great Recession begins, severely damaging the global economy for years to come.

2010
- The European Debt Crisis begins, promting the EU governments to enact a number of controversial policies to save the Euro.
- The Arab Spring. A series of protests and revolutions destabilises several countries in North Africa and the Middle East. The protests in Libya and Syria escalate into all-out civil wars.
- Prince Kassad, the son of a Libyan tribal leader, organises several terrorist attacks against the Gaddafi regime.
- The later soldier and popular European resistance hero Frank Jaeger is born in Duesseldorf, Germany.

2011
- Operation Neptune Spear. Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is killed by a US Navy SEAL team in Pakistan.
- Amidst the Egyptian revolution, the US embassy in Cairo is hit by a package bomb assembled by Rodall Juhziz, a local Al Qaeda sympathizer.
- The 29-year-old US Army Captain Gregory Townes resigns from a guest scholarship at Westpoint and accepts a new position in the DARPA R&D department for laser technologies.
- The Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi is killed during his escape from Sirte. The National Transitional Council assumes control of Libya but the country remains destabilized.
- The North Korean dictator Kim Jong Il dies and is replaced by his son Kim Jong Un.

2012
- The USS Nelson, a littoral combat ship of the US Navy, is bombed and severely damaged by Rodall Juhziz in the Red Sea.

2014
- The Mudanjiang Disaster. A train carrying experimental nuclear shells crashes in north-eastern China. Colonel Tsing Shi Tao takes full responsibility and volunteers to assist in the recovery of the remaining warheads.

2016
- Yevgeny Orlov is part of a Spetsnaz team that stops the Ultranationalist attack on Moscow Domodedovo Airport, putting an end to the brief uprising of extremist forces against the Russian government.

2017
- Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan merge several resorts of their governments and form the state union of Aldastan despite violent opposition. A Kazakh warlord by the name of Mohmar, also known as 'Deathstrike', denounces the move as a blatant concession to foreign imperialists and creates the Global Liberation Army, an initially loose amalgamation of fundamentalists, local nationalists and tribal groups.
- The M1A4 Paladin, an advanced modification of the now standard M1A3 Abrams is adopted by a small number of elite US armoured units for field evaluation.

2018
- Russian President Putin attends the opening ceremony of the new Vostochny Cosmodrome in the Russian Far-East. The aging Soviet-era Baikonour Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan is slowly disassembled over the following years.
- Alexis Alexander serves as a USMC logistical staffer during a three month long skirmish at the Korean DMZ, erroneously popularised as the Second Korean War by the US media. After lackluster success, a cadre of KPA generals quietly removes the Northern dictator Kim Jong Un and sues for peace on under the status quo ante bellum.
- The crisis in Korea frightens the Asian markets, resulting in the partial collapse of the Chinese real estate bubble which sends tremors across the global economic landscape and results in a period of open infighting within the Chinese government.
- The Taiwan Conflict. Amidst the rising tensions, hardline elements in the PRC leadership invade the Republic of China. The operation is quickly carried out by Shin Fai of the PLA Marine Corps before US forces manage to intervene. The hardliners are subsequently impeached but Taiwan is fully annexed into the People's Republic.
- The reformed Chinese leadership under Chairman Zhao Wei enacts the Modern Way programme, introducing new civil liberties to the People's Republic and expanding the cooperation with Mongolia.

2019
- The ZTZ200G Emperor Tank enters service in parts of the Chinese PLA under the supervision of Ta Hun Kwai.
- Abdul bin Yusuuf's Brotherhood of the White Falcon, a fundamentalist terror group that grew out of the former Al Qaeda, pledges allegiance to the Global Liberation Army in hopes of threatening US interests in the region.
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