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Warriors of the Modern Way: A brief history of the new Red Guard


Since the late 1970s, the People's Republic of China had changed drastically from its Maoist roots: Under the rule of Deng Xiaoping, the country adopted a system that would quickly be popularised as 'socialism with Chinese characteristics', essentially a socialist market economy that was distinctly different from the rigidly planned economy of the Soviet Union.

Over the years, this unique combination of socialism and capitalism allowed China to achieve a strong standing on the global market and turned its economy into an export powerhouse that even surpassed the likes of America, Japan and Germany in the early 21st century. But the global economic crisis of the following years eventually slowed China's growth. Fuelled by ongoing industrialisation and elaborate construction projects, the PRC's economy continued to run on its own momentum until 2018, when the partial collapse of the country's inflated real estate sector resulted in the closest thing to a recession in decades.


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At that time, the stability of Asia was threatened by severe tensions: The war on the Korean Peninsula briefly escalated after one blatant Northern provocation too many while the United States and China found themselves wrestling for strategic influence in the Pacific despite their heavily connected economies which prevented a direct confrontation between the two giants. It was within this context when a group of hawkish military hardliners within the Chinese Party government risked a gamble and ordered a massive invasion against Taiwan, one of America's strategic partners in the region.

With US forces tied up in the perpetual brushfire wars of the Middle East and the resurgent fighting in Korea, the Republic of China was left to fend for itself. The battle was brief but extremely fierce and in the end, the combined forces of the People's Liberation Army stood victorious thanks to General Shin Fai's swift execution of the landings. Taiwan was annexed into the People's Republic as a special administrative region with a degree of autonomy for the following fifty years until the island would be fully integrated.


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The risky gamble may have payed off for China, whose naval combat capabilities shocked both the Americans and the Japanese, but not for the hardliners, who were soon arrested by the more moderate leaders within the Party. The palace revolt gave rise to the sixth generation of Chinese rulers who were led by the new Chairman Zhao Wei, a charismatic reformist who quickly used his power to pave the way for the 'Modern Way' programme, the single largest catalogue of socio-political reforms in China's recent history.

During that time, it became apparent that the country's lobsided gender ratio would at some point become the undoing of its economy and stability. As a result of ancestral customs and ingrained social roles, families preferred to have sons rather than daughters which gave rise to crimes like child trade and infanticide. In only a few decades, China would become a nation with way too many males that would no longer be able to revitalise the aging workforce that sustained the nation's already troubled social and healthcare systems.

As one of the most famous reforms of the Modern Way, the One Child policy was effectively suspended, granting a new degree of freedom to Chinese families. The basic idea of freedom and openness was a golden thread that ran throughout the entire programme, which - at least nominally - liberalised the media and introduced elements of communal and provincial democracy that allowed the people to vote over which Party representative they wanted to install. The socio-political liberalisation of China happened in babysteps, but Chairman Zhao hoped that his actions would set an example and that the future rulers would continue on the new course.

There was much discussion in China and around the world as to whether Chairman Zhao would go down in history as the great renewer of an intransparent, nepotistic system or a misguided adventurist who paved the way for the country's downfall. Tragically, he did not live to see the outcomes of his Modern Way: In October 2019, China was celebrating its 70th anniversary as a People's Republic and millions of citizens followed the grand military parade in Beijing via public infoscreens, televisions and smartphones when tragedy struck.

A terrorist commando of the Global Liberation Army broke through the parade's perimeter and detonated a five kiloton tactical nuclear warhead in the heart of Beijing. The Forbidden City was obliterated and Tiananmen Square turned into a glass crater whilst thousands of soldiers, citizens and Party officials, including Zhao Wei himself, evaporated in the blast. The Global War On Terror had begun.


Chinese tanks mobilise to engage GLA forces in Central Asia


It was shortly after the attack when one of the War's most iconic moments was captured on video and preserved for world history: Curiously, the first PLA soldiers that arrived at the scene were dressed in period uniforms from the civil war and armed with Type 56 battle rifles, a Chinese variant of the Soviet-Russian SKS. Before the disaster, these soldiers where meant to march as a special part of the parade in order to honour the heroes of the red revolution and pay tribute to the historical roots of the People's Army.

One of them, a young man by the name of Xing Chen, was filmed as he climbed on top of the rubble that used to be the Gate of Heavenly Peace and raised the red flag as a symbol of indomitable defiance and a searing hunger for revenge that soon engulfed the entirety of China. Once the site of the attack was secured, the soldiers moved out into the city and hunted down any and all GLA stragglers that survived the attack, including a large detachment of terrorists camped outside the city who had filmed the explosion from afar.

A few hours later, Hu Xiaolin, one of Chairman Zhao's most passionate followers who attended an international business summit in Macau during the attack, arrived in Beijing and was appointed to replace the father of the Modern Way who was promptly turned into a national martyr, thus canonising his policies as the guiding lines for China's future development. After hearing the story of the brave soldier Xing Chen, the Chairman was so impressed that he ordered the formation of a new military unit that would be known as the Red Guard.


Tragically, many young Red Guard recruits expected the GLA to be easily defeated within only a few months


Disconnected from the infamous student movement of the Cultural Revolution, the new Guard was meant to serve as a massive military auxiliary unit that would also accept volunteers that fell outside the requirements of the regular Army. In order to galvanise the popular sentiment of defiant nationalism, the Red Guards were issued the same olive, brown and khaki coloured combat fatigues and Type 56 and 63 battle rifles as the historical PLA. Over the course of the Global War On Terror, the Guard grew bigger and bigger, absorbing hundreds of thousands of patriotic citizens into its ranks. While the regulars of the People's Liberation Army continued to operate under a relatively modern doctrine with advanced equipment like the ZTZ200 'Overlord' tank or the famous 'Meteor' 280mm atomic cannon, the Red Guard was exclusively used as a shock force: Massive formations of infantry and refurbished Type 88G 'Battlemaster' tanks would sweep across the land and eradicate anyone that dared to stand against the People's Republic while the state propaganda romanticised the image of the Red Guard as a physical manifestation of China's collective spirit that could never be stopped, broken or defeated.

More cynically, Chairman Hu also regarded the Red Guard as a useful way to dispose of what he and his likeminded technocrats considered 'surplus manpower': Recruitment statistics revealed that the Red Guard was primarily attractive to juvenile thrillseekers, the unemployed, the uneducated, and unmarried men in the late 20s or early 30s, the so-called 'bare branches' who had failed to start a family of their own in a society that traditionally frowned upon them. As a result, the Red Guard became a useful tool for the 'streamlining' of the population, with entire battalions of men thrown into the grinder in order for their deaths to be glamourised as a 'heroic obliteration of the self in service of the state'. Despite the vibrant, pluralistic life in the sprawling megacities like Shanghai, Guangzhou or Shenzhen, the nation got drunk off its own chauvinism and the popular zeitgeist of the era was quickly dominated by extreme military bravado, rampant cultural posturing and a quasi-religious dedication to the national collective in a system that foreign political scientists tried to label as anything from communism over fascism to a totalitarian democracy.


Many iconic images of 20th century propaganda were repurposed to instill a feeling of nationalistic zeal


After the end of the War, the Red Guard continued to exist as a distinct branch of the Chinese military. The soldiers of the actual PLA generally had a low opinion of their Red Guard brethren, as they regarded them as little more than unprofessional cannon fodder with inferior training and equipment that had to be kept in check through propaganda and political officers. By 2040, China had a standing force of roughly 6.658.000 active troops, only three million of whom belonged to the ground, air and naval forces of the People's Liberation Army while the rest was composed entirely of Red Guards who also served as auxiliary police units in the countries of the GAPA as well as the Chinese protectorates in Africa.

The Guard itself was known for its humility and camaraderie: The state benefits for injured combat veterans left a lot to be desired and so the former Guardsmen would often share living communities with members of their old units, support each other and raise public awareness for the difficult life of Guard veterans. Many former Red Guards even became vocal peace activists, for they had seen the brutal, primal reality behind the allegedly 'clean' facade of modern warfare up close, whilst men like Xing Chen became the unwitting poster boys who had either become too accustomed to the simple, spartan life of a Guardsman or fell under the delusion of their own mythos.
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post 7 Aug 2013, 15:10
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This one is a very good explanation, but I always thought that battle masters are Type-59s?

1 more question though, is the replacement for the Red Guard that Chen will get is a regular army unit?



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This clears up a lot why the Chinese looked like they were still in the 50s! MARS, will you write an explanation to why America uses silver paintjobs on their vehicles and the ECA has blue camouflage?


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post 7 Aug 2013, 15:16
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QUOTE (X1Destroy @ 7 Aug 2013, 16:10) *
This one is a very good explanation, but I always thought that battle masters are Type-59s?

1 more question though, is the replacement for the Red Guard that Chen will get is a regular army unit?


In the past, I myself have speculated that they might be Type 59s, but now that this was mentioned for the first time in an official bit of lore, I went for the more modern Type 88 instead and gave it a fictional G variant.
As for Chen, he basically -IS- a former Red Guard himself and while the in-game units essentially depict a mix of Red Guard elements (RG infantry, Volunteers, Battlemasters, Hoppers) the more specialised stuff would be operated by the actual PLA itself, so every General can be used to represent a combined army of RG and PLA. As such, Chen having Red Guards is entirely sufficient for his theme, so we decided to give the special infantry unit to someone else who would get some better use out of them than Mr. Amazingspamguy.

QUOTE (swedishplayer-97 @ 7 Aug 2013, 16:11) *
This clears up a lot why the Chinese looked like they were still in the 50s! MARS, will you write an explanation to why America uses silver paintjobs on their vehicles and the ECA has blue camouflage?


Those aren't as much of a glaring problem as the odd stuff that Generals gave to the Chinese. I always thought of the US grey/ECA blue paintjobs as something akin to an urban colour scheme.
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The "Meteor" cannon? Is that the Nuclear Cannon's one or is it a new unit? Nice work BTW.
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It's supposed to be the semi-official nickname of the Nuke Cannon because it's one of those units that are just named after their function, like the Gattling Tank or the Troop Crawler.
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the Silver isn't camo, it's low-end laser-reflective materials designed to defeated laser-riding missiles, such as the Russian cannon-launched "Refleks" 125mm rocket.
The ECA blue, however, is just meant to make the ECA notably seperate from other european military units at a glance. Blue-painted vehicles belong to the ECA, other units belong to the various national armies.

that's what i could think of.


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Very cool, I like the explanation of the retro Red Guards. In my view of the Generals timeline, I personally went with the same explanation for the first Chinese mission in ZH (parade soldiers forced to defend Beijing from a sneak attack).


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Another great story from the master with high doses of creativity, I liked the conception of the Red Army.


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Now that's a really cool and creative explanation for the Generals PLA... personally I always went with that they were some kinda auxiliary police force that got dragged into the military to do cannon fodder duty... close enough I guess. tongue.gif

So lorewise the Volunteer Squad and the Red Guard are pretty much the same thing? Loved Nuke Cannon's new nickname... would be fun to see nicknames for other blandly named units like the Troop Crawler.

This also gives some conspiracy theory-ish explanation on how Chen survived the entire GLA war while being there during the entire campaign. The lucky bastard got to be the hero right on day one... so guess the Party made sure he survived to promote him into the heroic (or perhaps godly) propaganda figure he is now. 8I.gif
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QUOTE (SpiralSpectre @ 8 Aug 2013, 13:16) *
This also gives some conspiracy theory-ish explanation on how Chen survived the entire GLA war while being there during the entire campaign. The lucky bastard got to be the hero right on day one... so guess the Party made sure he survived to promote him into the heroic (or perhaps godly) propaganda figure he is now. 8I.gif


Who want to start betting that Chen is actually a legacy character?

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Now i understand why would China go to war with Russia instead of USA which is their bigger rival in reality.
With economy in ruins, army weaken and low moral, they need Russian energents in order to stay a superpower.


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QUOTE (The General @ 11 Aug 2013, 16:56) *
Now i understand why would China go to war with Russia instead of USA which is their bigger rival in reality.
With economy in ruins, army weaken and low moral, they need Russian energents in order to stay a superpower.

The reality of RL and ROTR continuity is naturally different. Considering everything, US isn't China's biggest rivals in the 2040s of ROTR-verse. They more have a bitter-sweet relation, most prominently it's full of cooperation when it comes to business but mistrust when it comes to military.

ROTR China and Russia are far worse off. Russia rejected China's superiority when they became the de-facto superpower after ZH. They had serious border issues over the years. They had issues concerning the treatment and condition of Chinese ethnic people in Russia's east (you're welcomed to read "China looking for issues to start trouble using a situation they -might- have secretly helped escalate").

Then comes the fact ECA has a type of... professional friendship with China and still owes China a lot of money.

But the biggest reason probably is that China would always want to be on the winning side. They stayed neutral till ECA prototypes started mauling Russians throughout the theaters and some odd and questionable decisions by Russian generals (honestly speaking Aleks seems to be more or less the only active general with Orlov MIA and Zhukov having a rest... but that's another point) earned Russia some humiliating defeats and bad publicity on international media. Overall since Russia is down right now, it's natural that China would wanna kick them hard to join the side that has the clear advantage.
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Another interesting question is that China is trying to preserve its long-standing businesses worldwide, since it according to the ROTR lorewise China maintained its position of emerging country until becoming the largest world power surpassing the USA that should be the second largest economic power after the global losses caused by the GLA in ZH, ROTR's Russia seems to draw a parallel with 19th century Germany it was 'outside' of neocolonial sharing resulting in the wake of events in World War I - ROTR's Russia sought to establish themselves in Africa and later in South America to 'all costs' however was not able to resolve the crisis that destroyed its rising economy based on exploitation of fossil fuels and its derivatives.

This is why China is investing in 'safe' with the USA which remains its largest economic partner and Russia is trying to lean on 'emerging latecomers'.

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QUOTE (__CrUsHeR @ 11 Aug 2013, 10:29) *
Another interesting question is that China is trying to preserve its long-standing businesses worldwide, since it according to the ROTR lorewise China maintained its position of emerging country until becoming the largest world power surpassing the USA that should be the second largest economic power after the global losses caused by the GLA in ZH, ROTR's Russia seems to draw a parallel with 19th century Germany it was 'outside' of neocolonial sharing resulting in the wake of events in World War I - ROTR's Russia sought to establish themselves in Africa and later in South America to 'all costs' however was not able to resolve the crisis that destroyed its rising economy based on exploitation of fossil fuels and its derivatives.

This is why China is investing in 'safe' with the USA which remains its largest economic partner and Russia is trying to lean on 'emerging latecomer'.


It's extremely likely that the US is still "first among equals" economically due to it's extremely advanced economic infrastructure (fusion power, vac-trains, AI automated manufacturing facilities, tech sector, etc.) and China's economic slow down (when compared to the first decade of the 21st century, at least). I'd think that the US and China each produce about 25% of global GDP and the remaining 50% is divided among Europe, Russia, India, Brazil, and so on.


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QUOTE (DerKrieger @ 11 Aug 2013, 12:17) *
It's extremely likely that the US is still "first among equals" economically due to it's extremely advanced economic infrastructure (fusion power, vac-trains, AI automated manufacturing facilities, tech sector, etc.) and China's economic slow down (when compared to the first decade of the 21st century, at least). I'd think that the US and China each produce about 25% of global GDP and the remaining 50% is divided among Europe, Russia, India, Brazil, and so on.


Perhaps the USA has taken the first position in the ranking recently with a new economic boom, but the Chine must be in second place with his mega rising economy.


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Arguably judging a country's economic infrastructure in a detailed manner based on the in-game appearance of their military is rather risky. Sure there will be similarities but perhaps that's as far as it'll go.

edit - if I also had to guess I would say US hasn't taken the first position, at least not yet. Yeah they are back on the saddle and are again a viable superpower. But their tech and AI capabilities aren't something that wouldn't be accounted for by Europe or China and it's rather unlikely that they wouldn't step up their game accordingly to maintain their lead against the reemerging threat.

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QUOTE (SpiralSpectre @ 11 Aug 2013, 12:32) *
Arguably judging a country's economic infrastructure in a detailed manner based on the in-game appearance of their military is rather risky. Sure there will be similarities but perhaps that's as far as it'll go.

edit - if I also had to guess I would say US hasn't taken the first position, at least not yet. Yeah they are back on the saddle and are again a viable superpower. But their tech and AI capabilities aren't something that wouldn't be accounted for by Europe or China and it's rather unlikely that they wouldn't step up their game accordingly to maintain their lead against the reemerging threat.


Actually it is not just for their armed forces in the game, it is the context of things, you realize since the Generals that China is taking account of Asia as a new regional power, China occupies a position of influence that was previously exercised by Russia, a clear example of this new configuration is that China along with the USA solved 'the problems of Baikonur' for Russia that was unable to protect their own backyard - probably by a financial question - and missions suggest that China extended their dominions by East until Africa where now protect their new economic interests - as a kind of imperialist state.


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^Yeah all that is correct... but what do those have to do with guessing the country's economic infrastructure? If anything what you pointed out shows China ain't the type who would sit there and let US take the "first among equals" spot. They would adopt any plan necessary and use every resource in their extended empire to remain the top. Europe would also try to go for top with the advantage of their advanced power production, African backup etc.

Only Russia wouldn't be able to challenge US considering all the troubles they ran into prior to the war. Not sure about the economic capabilities of the other regional powers like SAP or BP.
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The point is it's very close between the US and China, both are the main economic axes of the ROTR world. I'd assume that each has about a 25% share of global GDP (much like today), and the ECA nations have a good percentage of the remaining 50%. It's been shown in the lore that Russia has become a respectable power of their own coming close to rivaling the ECA nations in economic clout. The end result is a multipolar world where there isn't just one defined superpower that has an overwhelming advantage over all others.


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A few points that I'd like to answer:
- The impression that Orlov and Zhukov aren't doing all that much is somewhat intentional. At the end of the day, Aleksandr is the supreme commander of the invasion, much like Eisenhower was the supreme commander of the Allied war effort in WW2, so Orlov, Zhukov and about three dozen lesser Russian Generals would basically just execute whatever strategies he cooks up. The fact that he's kinda taken over the narrative is supposed to be a sort of metaphor for how he has taken over and twisted the entire war to his own ends. On the other hand, we do know that Zhukov's forces did most of the bleeding in the Be-Ne-Lux countries while the VDV took over the ESA space port in South America.
- As of 2048, China is in a favourable position to attack Russia: Their army and economy are strong and probably well recovered from whatever damage they suffered during the GLA War (which -still- left them strong enough to claim the status of #1 superpower for a few years) and the only reason they would have to attack Russia would be to take a huge chunk of the cake if the country ends up collapsing under the pressure of a joint US/European counterattack in the West.
- Crusher mentioned a parallel between Russia and Imperial Germany which is also a historical motif that I intended: The idea of a 'belated' nation that rose (back) to power status after the world had already been divided by the big players, trying to claim what they regard as a rightful place among the top dogs which results in them getting antagonised by all the established powers.
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QUOTE (SpiralSpectre @ 11 Aug 2013, 13:54) *
^Yeah all that is correct... but what do those have to do with guessing the country's economic infrastructure? If anything what you pointed out shows China ain't the type who would sit there and let US take the "first among equals" spot. They would adopt any plan necessary and use every resource in their extended empire to remain the top. Europe would also try to go for top with the advantage of their advanced power production, African backup etc.

Only Russia wouldn't be able to challenge US considering all the troubles they ran into prior to the war. Not sure about the economic capabilities of the other regional powers like SAP or BP.


China does not need to overcome the USA economically to be a super-power, just need to have a diversified economy with huge fiscal reserves and do not bet your chips on the losers, the relationship between the USA and China I would classify as "mutual dependence", in other words "a gain both lose", for this reason they continue maintaining a relatively cordial relationship between their governments and seek to extend their tentacles to increase their area of influence around the globe - China created the GAPA and USA created the NAU - however now the scenario is different: China is what the USA was once - one branched global superpower - the USA is a superpower retracted inward as ECA and SAP and depends solely on its internal market and of the arch-rival (China) to survive, what will happen in the next year is unpredictable however I would say that China seems to be in a favorable position as the second placed hoping that the last lap of the race to be the winner.

About the ECA I can say that they do not have expansionist pretensions as the USA, Russia and China have, they just want to enjoy the benefits of a modern and efficient society for this reason they built a new alliance on the failure of the EU, Russia dazzles with a certain envy one day to reach the 'glory' of Europe, this is evident when they invade the Europe appropriated of the enemy's 'modern technologies' to improve their own decadent society in technologies such as energy resources and telecommunications networks as a example, and along with their misfortune Russia brings the block of excluded from Eastern Europe who share the same bitter feeling.


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Disconnected from the infamous student movement of the Cultural Revolution, the new Guard was meant to serve as a massive military auxiliary unit that would also accept volunteers that fell outside the requirements of the regular Army. In order to galvanise the popular sentiment of defiant nationalism, the Red Guards were issued the same olive, brown and khaki coloured combat fatigues and Type 56 and 63 battle rifles as the historical PLA. Over the course of the Global War On Terror, the Guard grew bigger and bigger, absorbing hundreds of thousands of patriotic citizens into its ranks. While the regulars of the People's Liberation Army continued to operate under a relatively modern doctrine with advanced equipment like the ZTZ200 'Overlord' tank or the famous 'Meteor' 280mm atomic cannon, the Red Guard was exclusively used as a shock force: Massive formations of infantry and refurbished Type 88G 'Battlemaster' tanks would sweep across the land and eradicate anyone that dared to stand against the People's Republic while the state propaganda romanticised the image of the Red Guard as a physical manifestation of China's collective spirit that could never be stopped, broken or defeated.

Wait...Does this means that Special Weapons General will have different basic infantry units ?
Actually does this means that Special Weapons general will be somewhat closer to RL PLA,with exceptions such as Overlords and NCs ?
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IMO the Secret Police gen has the highest chance of getting basic infantry replacements. Again right now he is the general with the least amount of known units.
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While there will be some fancier infantry units for certain Generals, I cannot guarantee that one will just be a generic PLA regular with a modern assault rifle; there's probably gonna be more of a catch to it than that.
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