Opinion about some new units voices/quotes lines Options

[__CrUsHeR]

I made this comment originally in this topic; as perhaps is not the best place for proper analysis and discussion I'll again expose my opinion on the subject.


I also really like the voices but this is heavily loaded with an evil and menacing tone; for the GLA and for the exclusive Alek's units is something reasonable considering that possess psychopathic armies, but for other units does not seem to be something suitable.

Based on the tone of voice and some quotes is impossible not harness Russia and China - especially - the stereotype of "villain" - something that was said not be practical in ROTR.

The style of the voice lines of Shenlong for example seems to be an Orc in the vehicle's command and the Sentinel too also appears to be "too heavy" - ; quotes are motivated by the apparent excitement of the war when it would be more plausible a more technical approach of an professional army - (course I hope not hear just a "Yes Sir!", "Moving!")...

Although I like in general the new voices I recommend something more amenable to Russia and China in order to avoid misinterpretation of the factions in ROTR.


I would like to hear from you guys your opinions about the new voices of ROTR - (especially the SWR Team to understand its position about the design chosen for the work of creation).

This post has been edited by __CrUsHeR: 19 Feb 2015, 14:51

[(USA)Bruce]

Well anything with flame weapons is a phyco pyromaniac ...This started from the flametank back in generals.

As for the Sent, The Overlord from the original generals had a somewhat evil voice over anyways...The russian answer to the overlord was the sent
So simmularities will be there other then both being a big tank.The sent is exited for war? Well I guess you could hear that but as the most offensive faction in the game its to be expected...

This post has been edited by (USA)Bruce: 19 Feb 2015, 15:32

[Overlord_Cane]

As for the Sent, The Overlord from the original generals had a somewhat evil voice over anyways...

Let's not forget the Red Alert 2 Apocalypse Tank, that thing wasn't exactly a Robin advocating against violence either.

I think it fits, too many RTSes suffer from giving the units too generic voice overs.

[__CrUsHeR]

Well anything with flame weapons is a phyco pyromaniac ...This started from the flametank back in generals.

As for the Sent, The Overlord from the original generals had a somewhat evil voice over anyways...The russian answer to the overlord was the sent
So simmularities will be there other then both being a big tank.The sent is exited for war? Well I guess you could hear that but as the most offensive faction in the game its to be expected...

A crew that operates electrical, fire or toxicological weapons is something acceptable to some kind of misconduct or behavior due to the means by which carries out his work - kills his victim - but there are certainly tolerable limits in a regular army for such behavior in order to not allow unbridled carnage on the battlefield.

The Overlord's voices always given me a sense of supremacy and pride, nothing exaggerated to the unit, as the Sentinel seems to be piloted by a narcissistic/supremacist with an ego bigger than the tank itself, not to mention that your voice is very severe for the average person, although it is acceptable.

The problem would not have one unit as well, but have several as the Sentinel, Buratino, Hunchback, Golem, etc... it builds the image of a murderer/psychotic army and not an professional army (even considering the background of Alek's units).

EDIT: Some examples of units that could have received some kind of quote "hotter" in the Generals due to its characteristics: Inferno, Nuke Cannon, Microwave Tank... and unlike have relatively normal quotes hinting that are "normal people" who are inside the vehicle...

A pilot who exclaims: "Burn Baby! Burn!" - Buratino - appears to be somewhat inappropriate, even though I know it's just a game and we're all adults here.

This post has been edited by __CrUsHeR: 19 Feb 2015, 16:24

[teslashark]

I've suggested a Pyro Technician who's more angry than lunatic a while ago - always bitter about being miserable and jealous outside the battlefield when he sets fire to enemies - he might still be valid.
For heavy/ominous units, the RA3 Tesla Trooper/Tank has a pretty sharp and fresh voice.

[{Lads}RikerZZZ]

I reckon for shits-n-gigs they should have gave the sentinel a squeaky high pitched voice

[Graion Dilach]

On the other hand, the voicesets of say, Sokol, Grumble, Topol, Kodiak, Igla, Hind, Hellion, VDV are quite serious and does not empatize craziness/etc. I don't see such a theme invoved with the Conscripts neither. So I don't see what your fuss is about.

Also, if you call the Sentinel narcissistic, then I call you retard, because the word does not even apply to the Sentinel at all.

[Pidorashka]

My favorite voice would have to be the Recycler. To me, it's a good balance of cunning, sinisterness, and humor that befits a multi-role, customizable unit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfbfGdJQF-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlBb50TEn6o

My least favorite voice is, obviously, the Sentinel. The voice strikes me not as menacing, but constipated. Apparently the Russian military rations do not meet the daily fiber intake. If the team will make new voiceovers by 2.0, I recommend a much less guttural voice and just lower the pitch digitally to emulate the RA3 Apocalypse Tank voice (which are used for the Sentinel as of 1.802).

[__CrUsHeR]

On the other hand, the voicesets of say, Sokol, Grumble, Topol, Kodiak, Igla, Hind, Hellion, VDV are quite serious and does not empatize craziness/etc. I don't see such a theme invoved with the Conscripts neither. So I don't see what your fuss is about.

Then reread the comments above and understand (or not) my point.

Also, if you call the Sentinel narcissistic, then I call you retard, because the word does not even apply to the Sentinel at all.

Dude, you came here to talk shit... if you think that do not have a narcissistic trait in the Sentinel tone okay - I'm sure yes - which does not necessarily mean a problem in itself, but throughout the voiceset... I know that the Sentinel is a species of RA2's Apoc, I'm just saying that does not fit the proposal of Russia in the ROTR - which is not the RA's Soviets.

If you are not able to argue a point with someone do not say something provocative or stupid.

EDIT: "Narcissism is the pursuit of gratification from vanity or egotistic admiration of one's own attributes". - wikipedia

This post has been edited by __CrUsHeR: 19 Feb 2015, 22:00

[The_Hunter]

does not fit the proposal of Russia in the ROTR - which is not the RA's Soviets.

Your partialy right there.

Story wise not so much gameplay which they are VERY much intended to have the feeling and representation of the old Red Alert Soviets.

[__CrUsHeR]

Your partialy right there.

Story wise not so much gameplay which they are VERY much intended to have the feeling and representation of the old Red Alert Soviets.

I understand, is a fun choice at some point because it is nostalgic and reminds the madness of the Red Alert Soviet, but on the other hand is a bit odd to evoke the Soviet cliche of Red Alert in as it could be something more original as it was with the ECA for example; in the lore Russia is not treated as a ruthless aggressor with bloodlust - Aleksandr yes - however in the game does appear as such, and in the old format of the ROTR - socialist faction - would be something more acceptable.

In any case the recordings are of great quality and the work is very professional, but instead I expected something less cliche and not politically aligned with stereotypes.

This post has been edited by __CrUsHeR: 19 Feb 2015, 22:43

[The_Hunter]

less cliche and not politically aligned with stereotypes.

Generals is all about cliche's and stereo types at this point it would be weird to NOT have them

[__CrUsHeR]

Generals is all about cliche's and stereo types at this point it would be weird to NOT have them

In fact it has always been, but in the Generals things had changed a little, the only big stereotype was still the GLA.

[The_Hunter]

Are you saying outside of the GLA none of the factions are stereo typical at all ?

Because thats simply not true at all.

[__CrUsHeR]

Are you saying outside of the GLA none of the factions are stereo typical at all ?

Because thats simply not true at all.

No, there are stereotypes of course with the USA and China, but they are few compared to Russia - strictly speaking quotes and voicesets - China for example tries to be funny and silly than stereotyped, the faction is a hypothetical representation of China in the 50s - communist revolution - not necessarily a stereotype, and the USA during the War On Terror of the beginning of century, Russia in turn is something not purely defined but inclined to the Cold War I think - however the MARS plot not contemplates this inclination - then I see a strange divergence between gameplay and lore; what is the Russian Federation in ROTR? (gameplay or lore-wise?)

[Graion Dilach]

Nah, US going super hightech IMMA FIRIN MUH LAZOR while China copycatting cheap '50s stuff isn't stereotypical at all. You didn't know? Well, now you do.

Sentinel isn't narcissist... It has ego, yes, but that's all. A true narcissist wouldn't even listen to you and would force everyone into his own world. Live with a narcissist for 24 years then talk.

[Mcbob]

In case you haven't heard the most up-to-date version of the Sentinel's voice, it is here.

Though, as you hear, it follows more of less the same pattern of growls and roughness as past versions.

The original idea for the Sentinel was having a character that was "proud" and "aggressive" with a taste for vengeance (against the ECA) as a common theme. It was definitely the first thing I did for SWR back in the day while subsequent voices had much better quality and were more varied in their presentation. The current version of the Sentinel I posted is the third, if not fourth iteration, with each one getting more "growly".

When I first conceptualized the voice, I thought of something akin to the singer of the Soviet Tankist's Song. But that didn't work out so well, so I tried the more gravely one and it seemed to work.

I do take feedback very seriously so I am glad to hear back from players.

[George_E]

I get what your saying bud but I think you might be delving into the creation of the voices a bit much =). We just generally go with what we think might feel right for the unit or with what we like the idea of, or even if we think we know an actor who we reckon will give it a good overall sound. We're not really gunning for a particular style and we're all sorta swinging in the dark when it comes to trying to make a unit sound interesting to play with. When it comes to coming up with a character for a unit perhaps not all of the character styles connect with everyone, but like I said we mainly just try to make them fun to play with beyond all else =)

[__CrUsHeR]

Nah, US going super hightech IMMA FIRIN MUH LAZOR while China copycatting cheap '50s stuff isn't stereotypical at all. You didn't know? Well, now you do.

You are confusing the context of representation programmed with the stereotype - that is a false or inadequate labeling - China really try to be like China was in the 50s and the USA as in the period of the War on Terror - although Burton for example is a clear stereotype of American hero. In ZH is another story... the USA became ridiculously full of lasers and China nuclear weapons - but fortunately the ROTR corrected it. Because some quotes of Russia are stereotypes: because the proposal from the faction in terms of pre-design and lore did not envisaged such an aggressive approach in the Soviet style, however the final product - some voicesets - do not seem to be true to what was proposed, therefore one stereotype of Russia 70s, ie a wrong labeling for something that should not be what it is.

However contradictory it now seems to me to be his voicesets are the best... quite match to regional elements of Russian culture with a relaxed, serious and fun personality at the same time.

In case you haven't heard the most up-to-date version of the Sentinel's voice, it is here.

Though, as you hear, it follows more of less the same pattern of growls and roughness as past versions.

The original idea for the Sentinel was having a character that was "proud" and "aggressive" with a taste for vengeance (against the ECA) as a common theme. It was definitely the first thing I did for SWR back in the day while subsequent voices had much better quality and were more varied in their presentation. The current version of the Sentinel I posted is the third, if not fourth iteration, with each one getting more "growly".

When I first conceptualized the voice, I thought of something akin to the singer of the Soviet Tankist's Song. But that didn't work out so well, so I tried the more gravely one and it seemed to work.

I do take feedback very seriously so I am glad to hear back from players.

I would like to emphasize the high quality of the recorded material for the Sentinel and say it is very good, but it would be better for a Red Alert game in my opinion. The idea behind the voices seem to be very good but it created an excessively brutal Russia concept from my point of view (ie by the tone or the content of own quotes), and this is not due solely by Sentinel voiceset, but by other voices of the main iconic units of Russia - with stereotypes for the RA series and Russia of the Soviet period with steroids.

I get what your saying bud but I think you might be delving into the creation of the voices a bit much =). We just generally go with what we think might feel right for the unit or with what we like the idea of, or even if we think we know an actor who we reckon will give it a good overall sound. We're not really gunning for a particular style and we're all sorta swinging in the dark when it comes to trying to make a unit sound interesting to play with. When it comes to coming up with a character for a unit perhaps not all of the character styles connect with everyone, but like I said we mainly just try to make them fun to play with beyond all else =)

Surely you guys did a good job so far and should go ahead with it because they are very competent, just take a little more care to revert a little this atmosphere so aggressive and brutal around Russia and China also in order not contradict his own work, so if possible take this into account in further work.

Thanks for the dedication and care in doing this.

This post has been edited by __CrUsHeR: 20 Feb 2015, 1:11

[teslashark]

In case you haven't heard the most up-to-date version of the Sentinel's voice, it is here.

Though, as you hear, it follows more of less the same pattern of growls and roughness as past versions.

The original idea for the Sentinel was having a character that was "proud" and "aggressive" with a taste for vengeance (against the ECA) as a common theme. It was definitely the first thing I did for SWR back in the day while subsequent voices had much better quality and were more varied in their presentation. The current version of the Sentinel I posted is the third, if not fourth iteration, with each one getting more "growly".

When I first conceptualized the voice, I thought of something akin to the singer of the Soviet Tankist's Song. But that didn't work out so well, so I tried the more gravely one and it seemed to work.

I do take feedback very seriously so I am glad to hear back from players.

Your Han Gunship is great!
Excuse me for saying so, but in the Sent you are grunging (if that is the word, or is it "munching the air"?) a bit too hard, the same also happened with {G}'s Shenlong. It's proud, but it also sounds like you are stuffing your face full of porridge. Maybe you can just use the Han voice and add some after effect like what they did with the RA3 Tesla units?

[Joe Kidd]

I have a concern about the new voices, but I don't want to come off sounding rude or offensive.

I generally like Comrade Crimson, I think he's a cool guy, but in my personal preference I just don't like his voice, no offense man, just not something I like. I don't really like the new Conscript or RPG Conscript lines because they just sound, to me, weird. I don't want to be rude to crimson, you guys put a lot of effort into this, I just don't really like his voice, sorry, just my opinion.

[ComradeCrimson]

I have a concern about the new voices, but I don't want to come off sounding rude or offensive.

I generally like Comrade Crimson, I think he's a cool guy, but in my personal preference I just don't like his voice, no offense man, just not something I like. I don't really like the new Conscript or RPG Conscript lines because they just sound, to me, weird. I don't want to be rude to crimson, you guys put a lot of effort into this, I just don't really like his voice, sorry, just my opinion.

I didn't do the RPG conscript, that was Graion Dilach. I did the Russian conscript, GLA mercenary and a number of other units such as the Javelin team, Hellion, Buratino, ECA Supply track, Grad, Nukaneer and number of other units.

You are mixing me up with other people.

But you are entitled to your opinion- though others are also entitled to disagree with yours. Most people seem to like my work. If you have questions or issues about it, message me about it on the forums and suggest something, my ears are open.

[Graion Dilach]

Yea, I'm the RPG Conscript - and I know it has mixed reception. I'll prolly leave that as-is for now.

The RA3 Tesla effect is used at guess - yes, the Shock team already.

Crusher, I'd like to point out that the placeholder voicesets these replace are from Red Alert 3. Or WW3BG. Which is IMO more crazy voicewise than RA3 - the set used at the public Buratino is just so terrible that makes it acceptable imo. When I heard the previous iteration of the Sentinel, I already loved the set because it fits much better to the monster we know than a deepened RA3 Apoc.

Where I feel your nitpicking crazy is that you form an opinion on something which you don't know of. Almost all Russian units got a voice, and only like 10 are uploaded to the public - the funnier ones, or I dunno how to say. Dude, Never Trust A Trailer... no, really.

This post has been edited by Graion Dilach: 20 Feb 2015, 19:28

[__CrUsHeR]

Where I feel your nitpicking crazy is that you form an opinion on something which you don't know of. Almost all Russian units got a voice, and only like 10 are uploaded to the public - the funnier ones, or I dunno how to say. Dude, Never Trust A Trailer... no, really.

I'm not criticizing or commenting about other voices, I'm talking specifically of the voices I mentioned earlier (Sentinel, Buratino, Hunchback, Golem and Shenlong) - the main units of Russia - then it is my opinion/suggestion based on what I heard, obviously about what I have not heard yet I can not speak.

[Serialkillerwhal...]

It makes sense that most of Russia's forces are on the sociopathic side considering they're likely results of dedovshchina. The lower level units are the victims and the higher ones are the perpetrators.