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GeneralCamo

Yes Generals, the long-awaited moment is finally here. The 11th anniversary of C&C Shockwave is upon us, and with that, the release of our Anniversary patch.

11 years ago on this date, The_Hunter released C&C Shockwave 0.8 to the public. At the time, it was a simple balance patch with a couple of new units. It has significantly grown since then to become more than that, but still contains the fast paced gameplay we love from the original Zero Hour. And now, a new version dawns on us, in a new era of the C&C community. On behalf of the SWR team, The_Hunter, and myself, we thank you for your support throughout the years and welcome many more exciting years to come. We will continue to support the Shockwave community for the forseeable future, and will continue to make patches to balance the game, fix bugs, and maybe even add a few surprises along the way.


Changelog

Do note that this is a full version, and you should uninstall 1.1 before installing this. Also note that we haven't tested this with the General's Challenges, which will be entirely reworked in a future patch.
Also, we will not be providing a no-installer/Mac release for this version. (due to a limitation of the Mac release of the game it will crash consistently)



Also check out Hecthor Doomhammer's release streams on Friday at 19:00 UTC and Sunday at 14:00 UTC. Look for games being hosted by Hecthor Doomhammer himself during those times if you wish to be on the stream. smile.gif
See you on the battlefield!


M.P
Yay's I8.gif
SoraZ
Finally. Good work, everyone.
Blinkin89
This is way earlier than I expected one month ago. Happy birthday everyone! biggrin.gif

Edit: just downloaded and read the readme file... suddenly I noticed this typo: "Below is a step by step instruction on how to install ROTR properly onto your Zero Hour." ROTR is also written in the uninstall procedure.
Haha sorry but I think this is funny. tongue.gif
The_Hunter
I was in abit of a rush when making the final release file so there is actualy a couple of mistakes like that

Thankfully the mod its self seems to be working fine.
Svea Rike
I think it's about time I get back to the classics.
zourv
Can you unban me ? i have installed gentool 6.2, now whten i try to run shw online i got message "You got banned"

Nickname: Wilson
Blinkin89
Love playing with the update so far! biggrin.gif
Basilisx
Happy Birthday, Shockwave. So good to see another update for such a classic I8.gif
The_Hunter
QUOTE (zourv @ 16 Mar 2016, 20:04) *
Can you unban me ? i have installed gentool 6.2, now whten i try to run shw online i got message "You got banned"

Nickname: Wilson

You'll be unbanned automatically after 7 days.
if you want to use gentools you will have to upgrade to the most recent version.
whosam
when i join multiplayer with swr.net turned on i found no players there !!!!!
DustyRhodes
i can still see overpowered units. Nice.
The_Hunter
QUOTE (whosam @ 16 Mar 2016, 21:16) *
when i join multiplayer with swr.net turned on i found no players there !!!!!

Thats because its only been out for a few hours its not like the entire world would flock to it in an instant duh2.png

QUOTE (DustyRhodes @ 16 Mar 2016, 21:43) *
i can still see overpowered units. Nice.

Well aren't you a friendly fellow.
SoraZ
QUOTE (DustyRhodes @ 16 Mar 2016, 21:43) *
i can still see overpowered units. Nice.

If you can't post anything but stupid comments like that, I can show you the door. Tell us what's wrong in a civilised manner or get out.
DustyRhodes

I don't know why. I believe, reinstallation should help me.
Ektufall
Thank you for dusted toys and congrats on your and your "child" anniversarys Hunter! I will keep you guys to your words as of future patches for Shockwave. As improved Gen Chal and implemented ZH missions is what I truly miss in my casual AI endevouers. And if I remember correctly Shockwave ment to be excelent example of expansion for this marwel of a game , mini campaing anyway served it's purpose with contest in 2009/10 - no point keeping it. May the team have strenght and will to keep up Shockwave kicking. smile.gif Your silent , but lifetime fan since you hooked me with v0.9.
DustyRhodes
QUOTE (SoraZ @ 17 Mar 2016, 3:03) *
If you can't post anything but stupid comments like that, I can show you the door. Tell us what's wrong in a civilised manner or get out.

Man, I already wrote on this topic
The_Hunter
QUOTE (Ektufall @ 16 Mar 2016, 22:20) *
Thank you for dusted toys and congrats on your and your "child" anniversarys Hunter! I will keep you guys to your words as of future patches for Shockwave. As improved Gen Chal and implemented ZH missions is what I truly miss in my casual AI endevouers. And if I remember correctly Shockwave ment to be excelent example of expansion for this marwel of a game , mini campaing anyway served it's purpose with contest in 2009/10 - no point keeping it. May the team have strenght and will to keep up Shockwave kicking. smile.gif Your silent , but lifetime fan since you hooked me with v0.9.
Holy shit man i didn't think you'd still be around good to see you are smile.gif


QUOTE (DustyRhodes @ 16 Mar 2016, 22:21) *
Man, I already wrote on


Your attitude since you joined the forums hasn't been exactly welcoming which is why all of us might be abit snappy.
Also i pretty stayed up very late to ensure that you could all download and play it today, getting these sort of passive aggressive replies is not exactly the kind of thing i'd hope to see in my own community.
DustyRhodes
Where is agressive posts? -__- sad.gif
Blinkin89
Not this whining again. If you can't give constructive comments then don't say anything at all.
This update is fabulous. I love the new infantry models, the quality really is noticeable.
Although I haven't played Shockwave online yet (in my life) I do appreciate the SWR.net implementation, it looks like a great way keep this game for many more years.

The Hunter and team: thank you very much for all the hard work on this mod and thank you for sharing it with the world. You're all very delicated.
Don't mind the negative comments. Most people who are very happy aren't commenting because they're playing the game atm. wink.gif
Or they never post like I did; lurking around. smile.gif
The_Hunter
QUOTE (DustyRhodes @ 16 Mar 2016, 22:57) *
Where is agressive posts? -__- sad.gif


Yes remarks like this:
QUOTE (DustyRhodes @ 16 Mar 2016, 21:43) *
i can still see overpowered units. Nice.
Erich Honecker
Wow. I am very impressed that you guys are still working on this. I cant wait to try it!
Angel
I didn't think that simple post of DustyRhodes, where he just said his own opinion will be perceived as aggression. Hunter, if you don't wanna listen anybody except your testers and somebody who will say how good you are and how great mod you've done - it's your right, but we also have right to say our opinion, and if it not like for somebody it not means we are agressive, learn to hear alternative point of view.

Now about mod. I will test it, but as I see in the changelog, mod changed in worse way, because allmost all the problems hadn't been fixed, also there was create a new problems, for example weak quads for all GLA, and many others. I don't know what's happened with hunter, but I feel it's allready not that man who has created the most balanced mod for zero hour a long time ago. 1.2 is unlucky realise, I see it allready. I said that I can help, but nobody listened me. I still can help, but I doubt I can change something.
GeneralCamo
The problem is when the criticism is not constructive. I can handle criticism, I get it everyday of my life. If you just tell me that something is bad, without giving me actual reasons, then that comes off as aggressive as you aren't trying at all to improve something.

Weak quads? They have the same DPS as the Quads in ZH. The previous values were way over what they had in ZH.

QUOTE (DustyRhodes @ 16 Mar 2016, 17:08) *

I don't know why. I believe, reinstallation should help me.

Thanks for the report, looking into it.
Emin96
challange have disappointed me a little but except that everything working well smile.gif
great work hunter and rest of team. looking for rotr updates tongue.gif
Angel
Ok, I don't have time now to write everything, but I will give you a first potion of problems, which hadn't been fixed, more will be later today.

1. Marauders of demo generals, rocket ammunition, it must be hardly nerfed
2. Alpha auroras must be hardly nerfed
3. Quad's damage must be backup to 1.1 version
4. Combat bikes must be nerfed
5. Acolyte drones
6. Laser stealth firters

Now is brief and partial, it is time to work, in the evening there will be more and more
RavenWings
Hi, I think I not sure what happen with my SHW but lots of bug happen here, some invisible units, missing buildings and missing pictures from new updated units. Hope Someone may help?
The_Hunter
QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 0:26) *
I didn't think that simple post of DustyRhodes, where he just said his own opinion will be perceived as aggression. Hunter, if you don't wanna listen anybody except your testers and somebody who will say how good you are and how great mod you've done - it's your right, but we also have right to say our opinion, and if it not like for somebody it not means we are agressive, learn to hear alternative point of view.

Now about mod. I will test it, but as I see in the changelog, mod changed in worse way, because allmost all the problems hadn't been fixed, also there was create a new problems, for example weak quads for all GLA, and many others. I don't know what's happened with hunter, but I feel it's allready not that man who has created the most balanced mod for zero hour a long time ago. 1.2 is unlucky realise, I see it allready. I said that I can help, but nobody listened me. I still can help, but I doubt I can change something.
When the only thing you do since the moment you the change log was posted is tell us how we are wrong and indirectly say that we don't know what we are doing what kind of reaction would you expect?

You say you wonder why nobody is taking you seriously is probably because you (at very least appear to) have that exact same passive aggressive attitude.
If that is not how you intend toe come across to others then you should consider chosing to your words more carefully.

And don't mistake my what i'm saying for only wanting to be praised as to use your words "somebody who will say how good you are and how great mod you've done" because that's absolutely not what i'm aiming for.
Unlike what people (and apparently you) might think of me i actually do care about the general opinion of everyone present in this community.

Finally you're discussing game balance in an announcement topic post, its much easier to post your own topics on whatever you feel is an issue in the actual ShockWave forum.
That way they can actually be properly discussed and we can actually use that feedback properly.
3rdShockArmy
Fuck yeah! All hail the mighty SWR team! I really didn't think that the difference will be that noticeable. And in such short notice. Outstanding work, guys! beer1.gif

So, this isn't the last Shockwave patch?
Angel
Do not confuse aggressiveness and disappointment, I didn't say any offensive word to somebody. You say that opinion of all community is important for you, but when somebody criticizes you, you feel it as agression, it's silly, because it seems like you just affraid to listen truth. And the truth is, that shockwave 1.1 is almost flawless, all it was need just fix a few OP units. But you not only failed to correct existing problems, you also created a whole bunch of new due to the fact that began to correct things which not need to be corrected. Therefore, I ask: what happened with you, Hunter? Maybe you started using something intoxicating, because it is legal in the Netherlands?
Zeke
QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 14:13) *
Do not confuse aggressiveness and disappointment, I didn't say any offensive word to somebody. You say that opinion of all community is important for you, but when somebody criticizes you, you feel it as agression, it's silly, because it seems like you just affraid to listen truth. And the truth is, that shockwave 1.1 is almost flawless, all it was need just fix a few OP units. But you not only failed to correct existing problems, you also created a whole bunch of new due to the fact that began to correct things which not need to be corrected. Therefore, I ask: what happened with you, Hunter? Maybe you started using something intoxicating, because it is legal in the Netherlands?


And that was the last time Angel was ever heard from again. /MorganFreemanNarration
Mizo
QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 8:13) *
Do not confuse aggressiveness and disappointment, I didn't say any offensive word to somebody. You say that opinion of all community is important for you, but when somebody criticizes you, you feel it as agression, it's silly, because it seems like you just affraid to listen truth. And the truth is, that shockwave 1.1 is almost flawless, all it was need just fix a few OP units. But you not only failed to correct existing problems, you also created a whole bunch of new due to the fact that began to correct things which not need to be corrected. Therefore, I ask: what happened with you, Hunter? Maybe you started using something intoxicating, because it is legal in the Netherlands?


O'right, we're just gonna listen to an opnion from someone who didn't even bother spending time playing the game for more than a week, and ignore the group of dedicated players who were trying their best to balance out the issues and stuck with the entire development phase.
It's one thing to critisize, but it should be constructive , not ' Well your mod suck because you did this and this....' . It just makes you seem like an asshole, atleast that's the impression you're giving off to everyone.
So here is what's gonna happen :

- Nobody is gonna listen to you.
- You're gonna either play the damn game, and if you really want to contribute with balance then give proper feedback/ detailed opinion about what's the balance problems with replays to proove, otherwise everything you say will stay in the Bullshit zone, nobody would take them seriously.
- OR if you are dissapointed from the game, then don't play it. Simple as that. Go back to your 'Pro-ZH' game and complain about balance issues there, it's not like it would matter or anything. Bet nobody would care.
Damfoos
QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 10:13) *
Do not confuse aggressiveness and disappointment, I didn't say any offensive word to somebody. You say that opinion of all community is important for you, but when somebody criticizes you, you feel it as agression, it's silly, because it seems like you just affraid to listen truth. And the truth is, that shockwave 1.1 is almost flawless, all it was need just fix a few OP units. But you not only failed to correct existing problems, you also created a whole bunch of new due to the fact that began to correct things which not need to be corrected. Therefore, I ask: what happened with you, Hunter? Maybe you started using something intoxicating, because it is legal in the Netherlands?


To avoid further misunderstandings caused by language barrier:

Дело тут не в том, что "никто не хочет слушать критику, слушают только похвалу". Дело в том, КАК и где эту критику подавать. Здесь НЕ любят манеру подачи, когда с порога заявляют "вы облажались тут, там и здесь, но я не скажу в чем именно, сами выясняйте". Generalcamo тебе уже сказал: если есть проблемы с какими-то юнитами, изложи КОНКРЕТНО, в чем эти проблемы заключаются, вместо того чтобы высказывать свое "авторитетнейшее мнение" (именно так это и выглядит со стороны, вне зависимости от того, насколько ты на самом деле прав) и говорить "юнит X имба, я это лучше вас знаю, пофиксите его". А аргументы где? Ты просто приводишь список юнитов и говоришь, что их надо нерфить, но ты даже не указываешь в чем именно они имба, и в каких ситуациях это проявляется, как будто твоего авторитета умелого игрока (о чем тут далеко не все знают) УЖЕ достаточно, чтобы что-то поменяли. Твои посты и некоторые посты Dusty похожи больше на заказы, чем на советы и желание сотрудничать. А заказы тут НЕ любят, поэтому советую сменить тон и манеру общения на более вежливые, в противном случае можешь просто улететь в бан и тогда донести свое мнение будет еще сложнее. Тем более народ вокруг уже начал раздражаться. А подъебывать хантера - вообще не лучшая идея, если ты еще рассчитываешь на сотрудничество.

В любом случае, это не последний патч, и балансные изменения еще будут. Есть что сказать - добро пожаловать на форум SHW, только на этот раз говори конкретнее: что, где, и в каком виде не так. И критику, как я уже сказал, нужно правильно подавать. И давайте не будет устраивать срач в посте про обновление, ему здесь не место.
Angel
Я здесь никого не оскорблял и никому не грубил, так что не надо предъяв не по делу, я всегда вежлив, если меня первого не начианют оскорблять, а именно так и случилось, обиделись ребятки на правду и здоровую критику - вот и все пироги. И если я сказал, что юнит имба, значит так оно и есть, а подробнее я могу объяснить только если это кому-то интересно. И я сказал уже, что раз такой интерес есть, то я напишу подробнее, но чуть позже. Или ты вообще не читаешь посты выше пары последних? Я там ясно по-моему написал, что пока просто краткий список, ибо на работу опаздываю. Посты мои и Дасти - это не заказы, а факты, подтверждённые не одной сотней игр. Факты, которые нужно исправлять, если мод действительно и дальше собирается следовать по пути баланса.
(WbG)~SpeC~
QUOTE (Damfoos @ 17 Mar 2016, 9:06) *
Дело тут не в том, что "никто не хочет слушать критику, слушают только похвалу". Дело в том, КАК и где эту критику подавать. Здесь НЕ любят манеру подачи, когда с порога заявляют "вы облажались тут, там и здесь, но я не скажу в чем именно, сами выясняйте". Generalcamo тебе уже сказал: если есть проблемы с какими-то юнитами, изложи КОНКРЕТНО, в чем эти проблемы заключаются, вместо того чтобы высказывать свое "авторитетнейшее мнение" (именно так это и выглядит со стороны, вне зависимости от того, насколько ты на самом деле прав) и говорить "юнит X имба, я это лучше вас знаю, пофиксите его". А аргументы где? Ты просто приводишь список юнитов и говоришь, что их надо нерфить, но ты даже не указываешь в чем именно они имба, и в каких ситуациях это проявляется, как будто твоего авторитета умелого игрока (о чем тут далеко не все знают) УЖЕ достаточно, чтобы что-то поменяли. Твои посты и некоторые посты Dusty похожи больше на заказы, чем на советы и желание сотрудничать. А заказы тут НЕ любят, поэтому советую сменить тон и манеру общения на более вежливые, в противном случае можешь просто улететь в бан и тогда донести свое мнение будет еще сложнее. Тем более народ вокруг уже начал раздражаться. А подъебывать хантера - вообще не лучшая идея, если ты еще рассчитываешь на сотрудничество.

Дамфус. Где играющие игроки (масло масляное)? Почему молчат? Где аргументы? Разве очевидная имба нуждается в аргументах? Я конечно не знаю, но подозреваю, что Ангел ранее уже пытался объяснять и излагать суть косяков баланса в соответствующих темах. Если нет, то лично у меня вопросов тогда нет, потому что у него была такая возможность. Если да, тем более что Ангел по английски вроде как говорит нормально, он всё мог доходчиво изложить в своё время. Но то, что мы уже не один турнир с ограничениями по использованию перекачанных юнитов играем, это да. Тут конечно всем плевать на это, потому что турниры катают тут левые пацаны от залётных организаторов с орга раз в тысячу лет. Никто движения не делает. В отличие от того же Ангела, который в популяризацию Шоквейва за последний год вложил среди русскоязычных игроков в тысячу раз больше сил чем все остальные на этом сайте, включая создателя мода. Хотя бы по этой причине к нему можно прислушаться wink.gif
Damfoos
Просто представьте себя на месте противоположной стороны. Вы делаете мод, вкладываете душу, время, потом выпускаете его, и тут появляются незнакомые вам личности и начинают говорить в духе "все не эдак и не так, и вообще че ты тут наворотил, херня получилась" (могу даже цитату привести того же Ангела, которая примерно так и звучит). Понравится? Отсюда и некоторое предубеждение, и вам об этом уже несколько раз прямо сказали. Я вам еще раз повторяю: не на вашу правду обиделись (ибо очевидно, что в моде совершенный баланс достичь очень трудно), а на то, КАК вы ее излагаете. Это вы ТАМ известные опытные игроки, сделавшие много для популяризации мода, и поэтому ваше мнение ценится там высоко и учитывается с ходу. ЗДЕСЬ вы гости форума, и если хотите быть услышаны, то будьте добры следовать некоторым правилам поведения. Хотя бы потому, что пока именно на ваше поведение обращают больше внимания, чем на дельность ваших рекомендаций (которые поданы в очень ультимативной форме, еще раз говорю), будьте вы хоть тысячу раз правы! "Имба не нуждается в пояснениях" - вы кому адресуете свои замечания по поводу имба/не имба? Тому, кто делает мод и не играет в него 24\7 на про-уровне, и поэтому очевидные для вас вещи может и не замечать или не считать настолько же важными. Поэтому и нужно излагать грамотно и последовательно, опираясь на аргументы, а не лишь на собственный авторитет (о котором, как я уже сказал, тут знают немногие), чтобы у заведующего патчем человека была четкая и обоснованная причина вносить какие-то изменения, а не только мнение "авторитетного игрока".

И давайте закончим общение на великом и могучем, пока модератор не взялся за банхаммер. Я все уже сказал.
Graion Dilach
TL;DR: As long as you order people to "fix" the game "according to you", you're rude and aggressive. No matter who you are and how you deny. It is simply that. Your English is good enough to drop that tone, no need for a Damfoos-alike overreaction. And if you cannot accept your place with keeping up this "I know better than you, change this because I said it so" attitude, you'll get booted instead of your concerns getting addressed.

Generalcamo got ShW to make sure there is a balance support on that mod even if the mainstream SWR is being busy with ROTR. If you lighten your tone and back it up with actual evidence and not "I'll explain it later"s then you'll get a much better response. Don't expect anything until then though.

No project leader would treat such a smartass tone serious, nowhere.
RavenWings
QUOTE (RavenWings @ 17 Mar 2016, 8:31) *
Hi, I think I not sure what happen with my SHW but lots of bug happen here, some invisible units, missing buildings and missing pictures from new updated units. Hope Someone may help?

Sorry I had solve my problems, I use the wrong launcher which is 1.1v lols. Sorry>.<
(WbG)~SpeC~
QUOTE (Damfoos @ 17 Mar 2016, 11:10) *
и вам
Я вам еще раз повторяю
Это вы ТАМ
ЗДЕСЬ вы гости форума
на ваше поведение обращают больше внимания
будьте вы
вы


да что я. я такой же рядовой пользователь, как и все остальные. просто за Ангела обидно. не знал, что такой сильный человек - для здешних ноль полный huh.gif я вообще изначально думал, что к нам от отсюда пришёл...
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I am no longer going to write in Russian*
The_Hunter
QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 7:13) *
Do not confuse aggressiveness and disappointment, I didn't say any offensive word to somebody.
Well honestly i'm not sure what you were expected but from what i'v heard you were expecting way more than what we'v actually announced which is largely your own fault for setting your expectations to high.
And if thats realy what you want then i would suggest again to chose your words more carefully.


QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 7:13) *
You say that opinion of all community is important for you, but when somebody criticizes you, you feel it as agression.
You probably get that idea because i will only respond to criticism directly if i think it was said in an inappropriate manner.
If it's done in a decent way i usually don't reply at all and simply read it, document it and bring it up internally at best.


QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 7:13) *
because it seems like you just affraid to listen truth.
Using the word "truth" in an argument that is clearly based upon opinions make it seem that we would need embrace everything you say as a fact.
That's not how things work.

QUOTE (Angel @ 17 Mar 2016, 7:13) *
what happened with you, Hunter? Maybe you started using something intoxicating, because it is legal in the Netherlands

Whatever your intentions were this sort of remarks are not going to be allowed under any condition so you will get your account suspended for the next 2 weeks.
Damfoos
QUOTE ((WbG)~SpeC~ @ 17 Mar 2016, 14:30) *
да что я. я такой же рядовой пользователь, как и все остальные. просто за Ангела обидно. не знал, что такой сильный человек - для здешних ноль полный huh.gif я вообще изначально думал, что к нам от отсюда пришёл...
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I am no longer going to write in Russian*


Not exactly YOU and Angel, but "you" as "Dusty, Angel and other experienced players from outside of this forum". I haven't seen YOU complaining, so don't take it for yourself wink.gif
Rohan
There's a mistake in the changelog :-

-Gattling Tank now explodes violently if the fusion reactor upgrade is purchased

It should be :-

-Gattling Tank now explodes violently if the fusion reactor upgrade is not purchased
M.P
QUOTE (Rohan @ 17 Mar 2016, 15:10) *
There's a mistake in the changelog :-

-Gattling Tank now explodes violently if the fusion reactor upgrade is purchased

It should be :-

-Gattling Tank now explodes violently if the fusion reactor upgrade is not purchased

There's nothing wrong. They explode IF the fusion reactors are purchased, without that upgrade they're just normal gattling tanks with no explosion.
Zeke
QUOTE (Rohan @ 17 Mar 2016, 19:40) *
There's a mistake in the changelog :-

-Gattling Tank now explodes violently if the fusion reactor upgrade is purchased

It should be :-

-Gattling Tank now explodes violently if the fusion reactor upgrade is not purchased


You're thinking of the Isotope Stability upgrade
Rohan
QUOTE (Comrade M.P @ 17 Mar 2016, 17:14) *
There's nothing wrong. They explode IF the fusion reactors are purchased, without that upgrade they're just normal gattling tanks with no explosion.


Oh, I confused it with Isotope Stability. tongue.gif
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