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Massey
This is a thread for ANY and ALL military news or just general...s tongue.gif military talk. So start talking about... The new, the old, the weird and the cool.

Here are some starting points.

Australia

- Unifroms: 01, 02
- Collins Class Submarines: 01, 02

China

- New UAV: 01

EU

- A400m: 01

Russia

- Russian new doctine: 01, 02
- PAK-FA
#1: First flight: 01, 02 #2: RAINOVOSTI spec pic's 01, 02

USA

- F-35
#1: Set backs: 01
partyzanPaulZy
well, maybe Gripen wasn't such bad choice in the end... (at least it can land even on meadow)
Wi-Ta
QUOTE (Massey @ 3 Feb 2010, 13:07) *
i notice a few of as here are in to military news.
So instead of making 101 threads about this and that. lets have a main thread for military news

The new, the old, the weird and the cool.

ill start.... i just saw this and made me lisen in....
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s2809583.htm

Now this is a nice idea to have thread like this.
If you don't mind i will pin this.

Br
Wi-Ta
wb21
Sounds good! 8llaniflip.gif
And the Gripen, IIRC can land even on a clear highway.
partyzanPaulZy
well, every small plane and every modern supersonic fighter can land on clear highway I8.gif

Especially when I consider that Warsaw Pact used Highway in the 1968 in the invasion to Czechoslovakia (which itself failed, but neostalinists has betrayed the rest),
there shouldn't be no problem in that (unless concrete panels are damaged).

Only VTOL and few other fighters like Gripen can land on slightly flat meadow.
Massey
On the aussie uniforms. i dont see its as a threat. i think if any thing. it brings the two nations military closer. the only threat i see. is if we went to war with China (what i HIGHLY dout will ever happen.) and our soldiers become nude soldiers! 0.o rofl
Overdose

wb21
PAK-FA's cost makes it more accessible to foreign customers -- it would be the plane's quality that would matter.
Massey
well going off the flanker for quality i would think the Pak fa would be as good f-22. but its still early days.

if u look at first post. u can see Austrilia only has one sub in action! and yet i stilll fell safe. odd tongue.gif
ultimentra
Why the hell would anyone attack ausfailia anyway? Most likely no strategic value or resources there (except water and animals that can kill you). 8Isov.gif
Massey
QUOTE (ultimentra @ 8 Mar 2010, 3:23) *
Why the hell would anyone attack ausfailia anyway? Most likely no strategic value or resources there (except water and animals that can kill you). 8Isov.gif



i dont know why any one would attack us (aussie land) maybe WMD clams or building a bigger empire. but as for resources. its one of our most biggest exports (mostly to China, India and Japan)

animals that can kill you.... (thinking of that simpsons EP) ill just pull out my spoon and kill them all MUHAHAHAAH
partyzanPaulZy
Some Pak-Fa photos

I found some new interesting pictures on one Czech portal, one of these pictures shows radar for Pak-Fa, another compares Pak-Fa and Su-35(?):
http://77rus.smugmug.com/Other/Other/IMG45...062_Ntr4f-O.jpg
http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displayimage.php?pos=-17380
http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displayimage.php?pos=-17379
http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displayimage.php?pos=-17381
http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displayimage.php?pos=-17382
http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displayimage.php?pos=-17261

and there is whole article written in English about this plane (with some mostly smaller pictures):
http://warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=255&...-FA-Sukhoi-T-50

(there are currently 3 planes, at least one of them has camo)
Massey
nice find. but apart from the PC pic's i think they are fake pic's. EG: http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displayimage...&fullsize=1
look at the shadows... some shadows are long (late day or early morning) and others are short.
look at the wind on the flag and these no snow blowing that hard or the ppl that are not reacting to the wind that is blowing that hard
Look at the tree. if the wind is blowing that hard i would think that tree (lack of a better word) "stems" arent all streching that way. plus look at the power/phone line. its just hanging there. again if the wind is blowing hard it would not be the case.
partyzanPaulZy
Well, there's also second image from that airport:
http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displayimage...&fullsize=1

and I don't think these two pictures are fake:
1. There is just light breeze, at least that Russian flag seems to be made from usual light material.
2. I don't see any short shadows there either from that red ladder
3. That picture isn't small either - copy-pasting branches is pain in the a..

Even though there are also many good fake photos around the net (like two T-50s taking off one after another),
they usually aren't really complicated in the matter of details.

I know there were famous Potyomkin's villages in Russia and they still use this strategy, but... this reminds me once I thought beginning of the As Far As My Feet Will Carry Me was mostly done in 3D...

EDIT: maybe the 5th picture isn't photo of real Pak-Fa and the last one might be photoshopped a bit (colours, number)
Overdose
Sorry but its likely a shoop. Especially the second one. Good attempt though.
partyzanPaulZy
... I read it's from Sukhoi's factory airport
and I don't think they needed photoshop for that (also those branches above Pak-Fa don't look photoshopped).
IMHO these two planes were in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCUQxnYbLl0

Also there is page with more photos and info in Russian about Pak-Fa:
http://www.paralay.com/pakfasu.html
IPS
cool thing there^^



Hm those pics aren't photoshoped.
If at all they are very very well done 3d models but since I can't see any hint of poligons I doubt that as well.
In addition the lighting is absolutly perfect, the materials are authentic and as it was said before the flags are 100% real, nobody can animate a thing like that (if you look at both pictures from that scene you can see that they are moving)

and then again why should someone put so much effort in such a picture? 0o
even the most skilled modelers would need about a month for such a scene.
Raven
The pic with the blue plane is rendered. I think its from the Ace Combat games. Others seem to be authentic. It was also posted on mil photos.
Waris


Also be prepared to shit brix at 5:47
Overdose
I want one too.
Ultimate Weapon X
Nice picture in your signature overdose, where is that picture from?
MARS
Way to go off-topic, dude. How about you ask him via PM?
Waris
The next iteration of the Type 99, Type 99A2.




CG:


Not much information from the Internet atm, but amongst the visually obvious upgrades are some form of milimeter-wave radar ADS and much thicker frontal turret armor. Look at the size of it...
Overdose
Funny China makes a Humvee copy and now an Abrahams copy?

Wtf?
Waris
Copying good stuff is okay in my book.

That doesn't make the Humvee any good though.
ΓΛPΤΘΓ
Doesn't looks like a Abrams to me.

125mm gun (155mm rumoured), autoloader, modular amour, active lazer defence.
Raven
does not look like an abrams to me tooo
partyzanPaulZy
Abrams rip-off? meh...
it looks more like T-72 rip-off, like this Croatian M-95 Degman which comes from licenced T-72like line...


T-72M4CZ - recent Czech modernization with hi-tech equipment


PT-91M Pendekar - successor of PT-91 Twardy (Tough), Polish version of T-72M from early 1990's

author: MyLifeStory @ Flickr and Wikipedia.org

T-90 - notoriously known old Russian tank, there is also mysterious "T-95", light tank destroyer Sprut-SD and plenty of modernizations of other Russian tanks
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm..._russia_011.jpg

Serbian modernization of the T-72

photo by: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Marko_M

T-72MP, designated by 3 companies from UA and CZ, UA forces use several hundred of these, T-80s and T-60s, both older lines modernized on T-72MP standards


Also don't forget these medium (and heavy) tanks have autoloaders, they can fire armor-piercing missiles capable of destruction of any modern tank including Challenger 2, however they haven't been created for this purpose. This was task for Mi-28, Mi-24 or Ka-50 which would have been covering relativelly fast tanks (Warszav Pact forces were more like RA Allieds in conventional forces).
Waris




Bonus:
Destiny
What's with the F-35 Lightning II-lookalike?
Waris
QUOTE (Destiny @ 18 May 2010, 15:37) *
What's with the F-35 Lightning II-lookalike?

...are you dense? That's the real stuff, brotha.
Destiny
QUOTE (Waris @ 18 May 2010, 15:07) *
...are you dense? That's the real stuff, brotha.

I am dense, but still. It looks...different. I don't know how to put it...
MARS
The reddish hue of the cockpit glass and the dark grey paint do look unusual; kind of like an evil twin of the F-35 we're used to.
Disregarding the US markings, it looks like something Nod would use in Tiberian Dawn (Nod had F-22s in some of the cutscenes)
ΓΛPΤΘΓ
QUOTE (MARS @ 18 May 2010, 18:19) *
The reddish hue of the cockpit glass and the dark grey paint do look unusual; kind of like an evil twin of the F-35 we're used to.
Disregarding the US markings, it looks like something Nod would use in Tiberian Dawn (Nod had F-22s in some of the cutscenes)

I am pretty sure the tint is a anti EMP shield, just like the goldish red cockpit that F22 have.
Destiny
QUOTE (ΓΛPΤΘΓ @ 19 May 2010, 4:05) *
I am pretty sure the tint is a anti EMP shield, just like the goldish red cockpit that F22 have.

Anti-EMP? What??

Also I read from the F-117's wiki article it says gold stuff in the cockpit is used somehow for stealth.
Raven
F-35 color scheme somehow reminds me about the B-1B color scheme of Shockwave :S. The last T-50 photos is frikin awesome biggrin.gif
GrizzAFWX
wb21
Awesome PAK-FA shots. biggrin.gif

QUOTE (GrizzAFWX @ 19 May 2010, 15:51) *


Something tells me that it can be fairly imperative that aerial warfare will be mainly fought with robots UAVs (at least on what I've read/seen). But when technology fails, sometimes you'll have to go back to the old means.
Overdose
I'm pretty sure someone will come up with anti-uav technology and the human element will be forced in eventually.
partyzanPaulZy
Radar Jammer anyone? av-7.gif

Anyways, PakFa can deal with several targets at once (due to recoil limits) while one UAV swarm (100 UAVs for example) piloted by one operator can deal with...
Another thing is that modern manned fighter/bombardier can be hundred miles away from target when fire, but UAVs are used mostly on close operations like support of ground forces (like UAV launched from a truck, personal VTOL UAVs are also common). Air version of military RC robots like American "Little Knight" (small size, tracks, M60, Google has parkinsonism again).

Also, would you like to arm Global Hawk with nuclear missiles and expect real SkyNet worm/supercomputer or terrorist cracker on move ?
GrizzAFWX
That pictures was just a joke. Generally I'm all for aircraft of the manned variety.
GrizzAFWX

And they called it...

A flying snow shovel... or a loaf of french bread with wings...



10 points to anyone who can name this unwieldy aircraft.
Destiny
QUOTE (GrizzAFWX @ 20 May 2010, 1:44) *
And they called it...

A flying snow shovel... or a loaf of french bread with wings...



10 points to anyone who can name this unwieldy aircraft.

Tacit Blue.
Overdose
Looks like an airplane model for a SEGA Saturn game.
Raven
A new PAK-FA video on youtube
GrizzAFWX
QUOTE (Destiny @ 19 May 2010, 18:23) *
Tacit Blue.



That is correct. 10 Points.
Destiny
QUOTE (GrizzAFWX @ 20 May 2010, 10:05) *
That is correct. 10 Points.

You could at least find a way to randomize the filename XD.gif
GrizzAFWX
QUOTE (Destiny @ 20 May 2010, 1:25) *
You could at least find a way to randomize the filename XD.gif


DOH! XD.gif I didn't even think about that!
Waris
Loose Propeller Screw
Discuss. I am most perplexed at how the commission report is unsigned and the denial of access of evidence to the convicted party (NK).
Overdose
That's not the whole thing either.

Former CIA officer on Iran

The US has been trying to isolate and squeeze Iran until it bites and the US can use a pretext to go to war again. Although it is more likely to make a convenient excuse to make Israel do the dirty work for them while they stay on the side lines.

Let's face it, North Korea and Iran are no saints. However we should not allow more Afghanistans and Iraqs to be made again. More people have suffered and have been killed by american interference than the overthrown regimes. The same strategy was made there, except Korea is actually a reasonable nation leaving much room for conspiracy theories. Are they playing along or are they being fooled like the rest of the world? Why is NK keeping their mouths shut? Do they want to take credit for something they did not do?

Anyways in the end the point is that we must tolerate lesser evils to prevent greater ones. Besides more wars would just cause the world economy to get worse and make more people suffer. Enough do in this world already.
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