Maybe, but I also decided to throw in an in-lore Russian attack because they are the main users of the Cosmodrome. Plus, if other story events suggest some sort of practical link between the pre-Suvorov Russia and the GLA, an attack on the GLA-controlled Cosmodrome might be a token attempt at making it look like they aren't affiliated after all. I've actually prepared a new story today which is going to cast some light on this connection in the future.

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Nice to hear

And btw Generals challenge, I know its an arcade mode for ZH and stuff but how much is true?
The bases, The people,The mutiny of townes....What else?

Probably just the bases and the attitudes of the characters. If a base does not match up with the official map location (Granger's snowy mountain base in what is supposedly Texas / Alexander's Greek island base in what is supposed to be Maine) we could simply assume that the base depicted in the mission is actually an overseas base under their command. Still kinda dumb, but we don't need a perfect spot-on explanation for absolutely everything.

Thank you so much for that Timeline!

PART III - THE INTER-WAR PERIOD

2028
- With the EU on the brink of total collapse, military cadres and popular revolutionaries seize the opportunity to disempower the scattered central government in an effort to restore the sovereignty of their nations. French protesters assault the Elysée Palace and proclaim the Sixth Republic, the Dutch royal family takes over interim positions after the resignation of the government and the German four-party Europakoalition is arrested by the military.
- The Chinese leadership sees the writing on the wall, sides with the new European coup leaders and creates the Eurasian Unity League (EURA) in order to coordinate the reconstruction of the European economies.
- Captain Willem van der Meer is deployed to Germany for disaster relief, pioneer works and explosives disposal.
- After years of political turmoil and economic decay, Nikolai Suvorov of the Novorossiya Party becomes the new President of the Russian Federation. He openly declares his goals to be the elimination of all infighting and corruption and 'to create a new Eurasian hegemony with Mother Russia at its helm'. Western analysts dismiss the popular leader as an ineffectual, chest-thumping mouthpiece of post-Soviet oligarchy placed in charge of what is essentially a borderline failed state.
- During the inspection of a military research facility, President Suvorov is impressed by the revolutionary directed energy weapons of Nikita Ivanovich Aleksandr, a military engineer stationed at Mt. Yamantau, who is subsequently put in charge of the Advanced Weapons R&D Corps.
- The Europeans use China's low-interest credits to buy fuel and raw materials from Russia, triggering a period of great growth and development which serves to establish Suvorov as a national hero figure.

2029
- After the withdrawal of the US forces, North Korea invades South Korea. Thanks to political and material support from China, the North manages to push the South all the way down to the 35th parallel where the battle degenerates into a vicious tug-of-war that would continue for several years.

2030
- The first components of the Chinese East Star Space Station are brought into orbit.
- The Chinese Party government proposes the creation of a new alliance called the Socialist South Asian Nations (SSAN) in an attempt to soften the impact of the post-war downturn through the economic absorbtion of South-East Asia.
- Despite evidence of the contrary, US intelligence agencies and media pundits decry President Suvorov is an ineffectual mouthpiece of the old elites and erroneously predict the Chinese as America's main future adversaries.
- After an outrageous scandal, the Chinese General Leang is discharged from command of a Special Weapons division in the Himalayas. The young, recently commissioned General Hu Tan Mau takes over thanks to the political connections of his father, the industrialist Xudong Mau, and proceeds to restore the unit to proper standard.
- With the EU central institutions rapidly disintegrating, the government of Serbia is removed by a group of irredentist military officers who form a strategic alliance with Russia and proceed to annex large parts of former Yugoslavia into a new federal state.

2031
- Several high-ranking US Air Force officers, most prominently General Malcolm Granger, take the fall for the terrible performance of the Aurora strike bomber during the war. Eugene Griffon is promoted to General of the Air Combat Command.
- Snubbed by the nations of western Europe, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia merge many resorts of their governments and form the Baltic Commonwealth to represent their interest in front of the resurgent Russian Federation. What starts as an awkward dialogue soon develops into a profitable alliance.
- The Greater Asian Peoples Alliance (GAPA) is formed on behalf of China and includes Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand and Myanmar. At the same time, Mongolia is peacefully absorbed into the People's Republic after years of mutual cooperation.
- 'The Hammer', a trilogy of PLA-funded war movies detailing the exploits of the propaganda hero Xing Chen, is filmed back-to-back and released, landing a large hit at the Chinese box office while American critics dismiss it as a trite propaganda piece but acknowledge the impressive production values.

2032
- As part of the reorganisation of Europe, the European Broadcasting Union is transformed into the European Communications Agency Network (ECAN) which is a tight-knit collaboration of various telecom companies, news agencies and public broadcasting services.
- With the country isolated and threatened by economic collapse, the US government has to make far-reaching cuts to the overflowing military budget. Several future weapon systems are scrapped and the Navy has to mothball or sell many of its vessels.
- After a Senate hearing regarding his out-of-control R&D budget, General Townes revolts against the closure of his laser projects and briefly locks down his base at Redwood Shores, California, before being arrested by his second in command.
- The M2A4, an ad-hoc upgrade of the aging Bradley IFV, is forced upon the US Marine Corps. Despite initial complaints, the Corps soon develops a hate-love relationship to the vehicle as it proves to be very reliable in combat.
- Much to the chagrin of the other branches, the US Air Force makes it through the budget cuts and doctrine changes largely unscathed thanks to the brokering of General Eugene Griffon.
- Deathstrike dies unceremoniously at the hands of an unknown assassin, throwing the GLA into a power struggle and diminishing its global presence. Anwar Sulaymaan embarks on a quest to re-unite the organisation under his rule.
- Prince Kassad once again betrays the GLA and is subsequently shot dead by Sulaymaan himself. Cobra Cell is disbanded and its surviving members and equipment are absorbed by the rest of the GLA.

2033
- After three ineffectual administrations in less than five years, Kevin O'Connor is elected as the new President of the United States. His economic policies manage to produce a positive turnaround.
- In an attempt to regain economic momentum, the United States propose the foundation of the North American Union (NAU) to Mexico and Canada, a controversial move which helps to stop the economic downturn and restore America's standing in the world.
- Juergen Burkhard, the former head of the European Domestic Security Directorate, is sentenced to life imprisonment by a court in The Hague after issuing the order to employ deadly force against anti-EU protesters in the wake of the insurrection.
- British Prime Minister Susan Adams welcomes the verdict and expresses the support of her government for the creation of a new European community while the last remains of the EU institutions are being wrapped up.
- In order to restore the country's territorial defense capabilities, the German Army begins with the procurement of several Leopard 3A1 tanks, Tiger II attack helicopters and Jagdmammut tank destroyers.
- Japan intervenes on behalf of the South Koreans and manages to turn the tide in their favour, resulting in the defeat of the DPRK and the creation of the United Republic of Korea.

2034
- The Prague Treaty is signed to reconstitute the remains of the European Union into the European Continental Alliance, a firm but strictly limited alliance of eighteen sovereign nation states.
- The Treaty includes the formation of a joint military task force, the European Continental Army. As a result, the Europeans put a predicable end to both the EURA and the Chinese security agreement, promting the PLA to withdraw from Europe.
- In order to provide the ECA with strategic bombing capabilities in times of need, Bomber Command makes a reappearance as a distinct entity within the British Royal Air Force, along with a refurbished model of the Cold War era Vulcan bomber.
- The ECA enacts strict limits and quotas on immigration and secures its land border with a fortified wall, pejoratively dubbed the Concrete Curtain by the Eastern European countries that are now left out. Willem van der Meer is involved in the construction.
- The Russian action movie Red Squadron becomes a summer blockbuster in Russia and a few other countries after Hollywood had to tighten its belt in the wake of the downturn and produced works that reflected the zeitgeist of the post-GWOT era in a more modest and introspective way, often exploring the consequences of economic failure and military adventurism.

2035
- The US Air Force demonstrates its new financial and doctrinal supremacy by introducing the AC-17 Spectre III, the most heavily armed and lethal American gunship ever built, which is armed with a 155mm howitzer, a dual GAU-12 Equalizer cannon and Maverick air-to-ground missiles.
- The provisional military government of the restored Federal Republic of Germany suspends the emergency acts and holds a democratic election, transferring control to the first civilian government after the collapse of the EU.
- Wary of the resurgent power of the United States, the South American Pact (SAP) is founded under the leadership of Brazil to strengthen the position of Latin America on the global market. Violent criminals and political extremists threaten the new alliance.
- As a general trend, 'classical' nuclear power falls increasingly out of favour world-wide except for China, where an entire dozen new reactors are under construction. In an effort to obtain total self-sustainability, the European Space Agency and CERN commence development of the Solaris energy project.

2036
- Due to his declining health, President O'Connor resigns before the end of his first term. Donovan Giordano is elected as the new President and continues the policies of his predecessor.
- Japanese Prime Minister Kazuya Shimada surprises the entire world with his famous genuflection in Seoul, which becomes the symbol of reconciliation and a new bond between Korea and Japan.
- Originally scheduled for 2028 but cancelled due to the crisis, the Olympic Summer Games are hosted in Berlin, Germany, precisely one hundred years after the games of 1936 which happened during the Nazi reign. The humble but dignified opening ceremony places an emphasis on the modernity, but also the newfound self-confidence of the Federal Republic which has finally come to terms with its own national identity.
- On a tragical note, the Games are overshadowed by violent clashes between pro-Western and pro-Russian forces in Ukraine. Persident Suvorov pledges support to the pro-Russian Donetsk Republic that formed in the East of the country and sends General Leonid Zhukov to assist. The battle is quickly decided and the eastern half of Ukraine becomes a republic of the Russian Federation, but Zhukov loses his son in one of the war's last pointless skirmishes.

2037
- Inspired by the events in Ukraine, the troubled Republic of Belarus holds a public referendum and joins the Russian Federation.
- The ECA initiates Operation Nemesis, a massive retaliatory invasion against the North African countries that supported the GLA insurrection. The invasion is followed by the creation of a new Maghreb Union and an elaborate package of infrastructure development, humanitarian aid and modern education in an effort to establish an anti-GLA sentiment in North Africa and ensure ECA control of the Mediterranean Sea.
The Generals Wolfgang von Kuerten and Charles Cutting embark on several joint operations against GLA holdouts in the Sahel region and win some of the ECA's most acclaimed military victories despite their vastly different attitudes and leadership styles.

2038
- After years of free reign across the vital shipping routes in the Gulf of Aden, GLA pirate gangs are forced out of Somalia by a full-scale Chinese military invasion and occupation.
- The light-weight Crusader II is introduced as the new expeditionary tank of the US military. It is met with positive reactions from the Marine Corps for its amphibious features and rapid deployability.
- With North Africa opened to European enterprises, the world witnesses a global rush for the continent's precious resources. America, China and Russia soon follow, dividing Africa among their respective client states.
- In an attempt to improve its international image, China spearheads an international ban on neutron weapons, resulting in the signing of the Budapest Accords. General Tsing Shi Tao resigns from service and goes into retirement.

2039
- Europe's first solar-fusion reactor, powered by the satellite Comas Solà, is activated in Granada, Spain. The facility produces enough energy to supply both Spain and Portugal.
- A few months later, another pair of satellites is activated: Cassini provides energy for France, Belgium and the Netherlands while Kepler is used to power the joint reactor of Germany and Denmark.
- With Europe becoming increasingly independent from foreign energy thanks to its own renewable sources, many long-standing fuel treaties with Russia are cancelled, putting a strain on the Federation's economy and the diplomatic relations between the two powers. The demand for Russian resources decreases over the coming years, signalling the impending end of the country's economic boom. Furthermore, military observers point out that Solaris coult potentially be used as an orbital strike weapon capable of threatening Russia's cities and nuclear stockpiles.

2040
- The former Secretary General Cheung Liu is appointed as the new Party Chairman of the People's Republic of China.
- The third batch of Solaris satellites is activated: Newton provides energy for the United Kingdom and Ireland while Copernicus is linked to the joint reactor of Poland and the Czech Republic.
- Sulaymaan's army occupies large swathes of Central Africa, forcibly disbanding several countries and claiming the land as the first GLA nation, which is treated as terra nullius by the international community.
- With a safe, uncontested foothold in Central Africa, the GLA proceeds to absorb the remnants of local tribal and military forces, gaining access to crude fighter planes and helicopters while building an economy around the production and trade of drugs, diamonds and oil.
- President Giordano wins a narrow victory over his opponent William Bradford, who called for a strategic re-evaluation of the US/China relations and a tougher response to Russia's recent expansionism.
- The discovery of a Russian research base in Chinese-aligned North Sudan prompts a global outcry. In an attempt to appease the hawks in Washington, President Giordano proposes a military pact between China and the US, resulting in the creation of the Pacific Peace Alliance (PPA).
- General Aleksandr organises the defence of his research base and succeeds against seemingly impossible odds thanks to superior weapons and tactics. The PPA breaks apart after a series of political assassinations while Aleksandr's victorious Shock Division is presented to the world for the first time.

Huh, I always though that the GLA territory in Africa was made of puppet states, I didn't think it was a GLA nation... what's Terra Nullius?

I suppose the final part won't have the events that haven't been in an update yet?

Terra nullius is an international law term that refers to territory that does not belong to any recognised sovereign state. Since the GLA is a non-state actor, the international community would not recognise their land as an actual nation state, but since nobody is presently willing to drive them out, the status of the region still had to be defined as something. As for part IV, I will post that in the coming days and add revisions as we go along with our future updates.

Made an account, there's just a few things that are bugging the hell out of me and must add and or edit X)

Anyone wants to rename the category "Helicopter" to "Gunship"? Someone brought it up in the wiki.

There are still helicopters that are not gunships...

The Helix (when they add it back in) for example, is still mostly a transport... as is the Hunchback (at least that's the intention, correct me if I'm wrong).

Not to mention the Littlebird and Blackhawk.

Keep the Helicopter category, because it covered all type of helicopters. Gunship is kinda confusing, as the Spectre is also a gunship.

Keep things simple. We don't have to pigeonhole things to the point of adding such lobsided categories. Put all the helicopters into a Helicopter category and leave it at that.

Perhaps an obsolete question, but should we use pros and cons on units? The template page doesn't, but some pages such as the Golem Tank do.

Could we get this page pinned? It has a lot of good information on it, and I would hate to lose it to the two week posting rule.

Pros and Cons are generally covered in the Tactics and Counters paragraphs.

What is the two week posting rule? You can't post on topics that hasn't been posted on for over two weeks?

I will try to refurbish (is that a word?) most pros/cons into the tactics/counters section then.

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On another note is has been awfully quiet the past week here on the forums. Only about five posts a day on average...

The pros and cons are a practical addition. Many wouldn't want to read through all the text in tactics section and instead would prefer some quick notes that could help with his game. They are nothing vital IMO. Don't add them if you don't want to, but there is no real need to delete them from pages that were decided as standard ages ago. I dunno how many people discussed about what to put in the template page but just for the records the Golem Tank page was discussed by plenty of people. Anyway pros and cons are not hurting anyone right now. Maybe they can be deleted once all pages have rich tactics sections but right now those stuff are barely getting added.

I wouldn't mind these pros and cons either, just as long as they are short and concise. The tactics section is there for a reason and if pros/cons get to extensive, the differences blur out. Also, pros and cons should use terms like 'slow' or 'heavily armoured' in relative terms compared to units that are similar in role or faction.

Link me please?

Thank you for the pin.

Should the Pros and Cons go in the UnitBox, or on the page itself?

MARS: The scandal on Leang has never really been described in detail, except for the aftermath. Will we eventually receive a detailed story?

Not entirely sure. The exact nature of the incident was meant to be left unclear as it adds a slightly dubious air of comedy to the proceedings that led to Mau's entry. If you re-read the Under New Management update, you will notice that the whole thing is kinda tongue-in-cheek.

Honestly speaking, that scandal pretty much whispers "insert your own juicy, sexual scandal here". There probably ain't any need to go deeper with an official (and perhaps less comedic) take on the said scandal right now while many of us already have our own versions of it.

I've edited some links into the factions and main page, so that you find stuff a bit easier.
Feel free to make it more pretty if you know how^^

also would be nice to have those links updated for the us and chinese once you set up those arsenal pages.

i was thinking,maybe there should be a page where we put links of the official fan fictions and other interesting lore so that we don't lose track of it.

Can someone help with some of Lotus's in-game quotes? She can be a bit hard to understand clearly...

Will do. ^^

Sounds really good to me. Would be really nice if someone with most of the links does that. Again I ain't the one who calls the shots.

Spiral, if you want to change or add something, do it. Wikia gives us a lot of tools to change or rollback edits, so go ahead and experiment. It's your page as much as anyone elses.

Gonna confirm something I should've confirmed ages ago - should the Tesla Tank page be named TT-1 Tesla Tank? I ain't sure if that's it's correct designation and even if it is so I ain't sure if the page's name should include that. Like the Paladin's page name is "Paladin Tank", not "M1A4 Paladin Tank".

The designation is still valid but yes, it shouldn't be part of the actual page name.

Anyone wants to mention some unit quotes here that they consider iconic? Would be a lot of help.

Basically, anything more distinct that the generic 'yes sir, affirmative sir, moving out sir, we'll destroy them' type lines will do.

The most iconic ones would be those borrowed from red alert...and some quotes used by the ECA. These are the ones I considered iconic.

"We will bury them!" MSTA attacking. The most epic one ever since RA2 time.

"Armageddon is here." Sentinel selected.

"They cannot accept theirs fate." Sentinel selected.

"May our children forgive us." Pandora attacking.

"100 tons of German engineering." Manticore selected.

"Defense the fatherland!" Leopard attacking.

"Any want some minced meat?" Leopard using Shredder round.

"Preserving freedom." Paladin when created.

And more......

Was trying to add lore to the Red Guard page from the latest update... but does any part of it look unnecessary for this page? Does it look like a too big lore dump for just a simple unit page?

And does the trivia need to be updated?

http://generalsrotr.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Guard

Seems pretty okay to me, but I guess we could compress it into a shortened version of the story so it doesn't occupy half the page.

Another thing on occupying half the page, it's still an unfinished page like most other pages in the wiki. Maybe it won't seem as large once someone adds tactics, counters and maybe some screenshots... now those are needed more than anything. I haven't played the game in a while and wouldn't be able to get anything right if I tried.

I've been working on the wiki in my spare time (not much as of late), and this is my first attempt at a Lore for an unit...

http://generalsrotr.wikia.com/wiki/Pilot

It's a little rough around the edges but I hope I am on the right track. Any ideas on how to improve it, or is it fine as it is?

Also, I think for the unit description there should be a general explanation of what the unit is good at doing, while the tactics and counters sections can be used to describe more specific situations in which the units may come in handy, or specific ways to defeat them in various circumstances when playing as all factions.

I made this as a (dumb) quick example that I hope explains it better

http://i.imgur.com/OwvlgDK.jpg

I think it's pretty damn good.

I thought that was the general idea already...

How specific do you want it to be, individual sections for how each faction can counter?

Personally I would say the Tactics should mention how the unit should be used against each factions and mirror matches in individual sections or at least in individual paras. Similarly Counters should cover how the unit can be countered by each factions and in mirror matches.

But then again right now the primary goal should probably be adding these sections to every page. These kind of fine polishing is probably a secondary necessity right now.

I'll get to work on that todo page again, now that I know how stubs work.

Spiral, could you explain what you mean by mirror matches? I'm lost here.

Added stubs. Go to http://generalsrotr.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Article_stubs to see.

To add a page as a stub, just type {{stub}}.

Oh, you know, matches where both players choose the same faction... or am I getting the term wrong, then don't mind me.

And "article stubs" pretty much means the same thing "articles in need of cleanup" so there ain't no need to add both categories.

edit - could we get a bit more on the current lore of the US Missile Defenders?

Working on some lore for it, just wondering what launcher they should use. Right now I'm going for a refurbished AT-4 launcher.

The AT4 is an unguided rocket launcher which doesn't fit when you consider that the in-game unit has homing missiles. The same may apply to the GLA's Tunnel Defender who uses an ancient RPG-7 but their homing/AA capabilities are purely there to make the unit useful in gameplay terms. The US on the other hand do have a technical justification for having homing missiles. The Missile Defender cameo uses the old M47 Dragon launcher but I always operated under the premise that it's a modernised version of the Javelin which automatically switches between anti-tank missiles and some sort of fictional anti-air missile that can be fired from a Javelin which has replaced the old Stinger in US service.

I call it the FIM-92J Stinger.

Anyone wants to give a shot at the lore behind how Tunnel Defender missiles track air targets? Do they use some kinda home cooked radio guiding system or something?

The RPG Troopers smoke pot and get high, and believe their rockets can magically track the jets. The pilots laugh their asses off when they see a RPG flying underneath them, looses control of the plane and crashes.

No, I got nothing.

I guess they carry SA-18s/Stingers in addition to their RPG-7s.

Made a general overhaul of some pages.

Question: How to delete redundant pages? We have two pages for the Russian Coal Plant.

I think you need admin access for that. I can't see the delete button in other wikis either. Anyway getting rid off the Coal Plant page.