Well, at least we know that it won't and will never be an Apache.

Could be this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-56_Cheyenne

The 'common' Comanche will be based on the Alpha concept that's already been posted in this thread and for the sake of simplicity, it'll still be referred to as the Comanche.
Think of it as an 'assault variant' whereas Griffon uses the 'recon variant', which is stealthed but also planned to have a slightly smaller missile payload.

Love the Lore, love the shiny new Comanche, but now I am wondering, will the Russian supply truck, Tunguska, and a few other units get a facelift? And one other thing, does the events in Korea have any impact on the Euro-Russo War?

I do not know if any Russian units will get an facelift but i do recall reading a while ago that some of their Structures getting a facelift, can't seem to find the thread where it was mentioned so hope anyone from SWR team can confirm this!

Considering that the Third Korean War was concluded before the ECA was even founded, I'd say it won't have any real impact on the actual 'present' of our setting.
And yet, the notion of a Korean-Japanese reconciliation kinda adds a much needed bit of hope to a setting that is pretty damn dark overall, so it's mostly for the sake of the narrative, not the plot itself.

I enjoyed the Genuflection of Seoul part, it is nice to see some light in such dark times.

Maybe instead of calling the 'common' version a "Commanche" it could be called "Iroqouis" or "Aztec" or "Lakota" or the name of some other Indian tribe which isn't already the name of a real helicopter - since it appears to be an entirely different chopper than the Commanche.

This post has been edited by Vintorez: 24 Feb 2013, 1:40

awesome

It would require a new helicopter body and everything, that's why names are given.

Griffon is basically using an "upgraded Comanche", in comparison to the other generals.

Here's how you can see it, taking the example of the US Sherman Tank.
You have the Sherman Firefly, the Sherman DD, Sherman M "Something something something".

Same tank, but different "upgrades" or modifications.

The reference to the "Alpha Comanche" is just referring to a previous Comanche design that never really was brought up in the actual game, just about aesthetics.

I've got to ask though.. What happened to Aldastan from Generals? It was a united nation of Kyrgystan and Tajikistan. Was it assimilated into China's empire? Did it break away? Or did it stay united?

so they're the RAH-66C and RAH-66B for stealth and assault models respectively

(RAH-66A being the alpha Comanche)

In 2016,USA is still the only superpower in the world,with unrivalled navy and air force.NK,as you have said,doesn't hold much chance as defender.

If China doesnt get involved,reunification is a matter of time.But as NK launched the war,China's military intervention is politically illicit,meaning an entirely diplomatic backwards and possible international sanctions.Even if they send their "matchless" army to help NK,the cost will be unacceptable.Remember China is not what it was sixty years ago,and their military havent been tested by war for years.

For USA,this is the best chance to stifle China's threat in the cradle ,and force China to focus on its hostile neiborhoods.

For SK,with USA's wholescale support,the price of reunification shall be acceptable.And with NK's luxuriant resources, cheap labor power and market demands,Korea may rise as a true world power.

I love the Comanche facelift, they look so badass.

In another note, why would China, the world's superpower in 2032 support an oppresive, totalitarian government like the DPRK, the chinese see North Korea as something like a spoiled brat or something?

While the 2010 events have to be -somewhat- closer to an alternate universe version of today's world, the other half of the update suggests that things have gotten generally messy in the late 2010s i.e. China's current economic boom suffers from the partial collapse of its real estate bubble and things escalate the point of an invasion of Taiwan and a palace revolt in Beijing. With the Global War on Terror officially starting on October 1, 2019, the world is already heading towards a total disaster and if it hadn't been for the GLA, the USA could have easily slipped into a conflict with China. Apparently, the GLA was so large a threat that they actually put their own conflict aside and by the time it was over, the entire world had changed radically.

PS: I do admit that I had to engineer parts of the Korean story out of necessity: If you remember the 'East is Red' update, it does mention a new war between the two Koreas, one in which the North was apparently gaining ground for a while. That little ZH tidbit about the Second Korean War in Alexander's backstory (i.e. pre-Generals history) actually came to my attention AFTER that - not a surprise, considering how thin and random the actual setting was - which basically forced me to explain this new war as a third one between SK and a very different NK whereas the second war from the ZH fluff had to be explained as a brief escalation that merely resulted in a regime change and little else. Had I known this before the 'East is Red' update came out back in the day, the entire conflict WOULD have been resolved in the 'second' war, but after that little error, I had to make the best of it. If anything, the third war provided a reason to not only unify the country, but also reconcile Korea and Japan, a thing that wouldn't have happened if the US had been around to stomp NK.

(in b4 someone writes the first ROTR 'alternate history' fan fiction, complete with colour-coded maps and tiresomely detailed infoboxes about elections )



As a symbol, it was inspired by another historical motif, the genuflection of Warsaw.



They may be the world's superpower but that doesn't mean they won't pursue imperialistic policies in Asia. They basically used NK as a useful idiot: They allowed them to destroy SK as an economic competitor and let Korea and Japan destroy NK in return, thus killing two birds with one stone (the economic rival and the spoiled brat with nukes) And now that Korea is reunited, the Chinese can just say that whatever happens with NK is no longer their problem. At the same time, China's pretending to be a benevolent superpower by rebuilding Europe, which cannot bite the hand that feeds it by speaking out against China's actions in Asia. The absorbtion of Mongolia and the creation of the GAPA which is basically a Chinese-dominated puppet version of ASEAN are other signs which show that they are using their unrivalled power for their own gains in the inter-war period.

PS: I do admit that I had to engineer parts of the Korean story out of necessity: If you remember the 'East is Red' update, it does mention a new war between the two Koreas, one in which the North was apparently gaining ground for a while. That little ZH tidbit about the Second Korean War in Alexander's backstory (i.e. pre-Generals history) actually came to my attention AFTER that - not a surprise, considering how thin and random the actual setting was - which basically forced me to explain this new war as a third one between SK and a very different NK whereas the second war from the ZH fluff had to be explained as a brief escalation that merely resulted in a regime change and little else. Had I known this before the 'East is Red' update came out back in the day, the entire conflict WOULD have been resolved in the 'second' war, but after that little error, I had to make the best of it. If anything, the third war provided a reason to not only unify the country, but also reconcile Korea and Japan, a thing that wouldn't have happened if the US had been around to stomp NK.

Understood.No offense.Just because I'm one of the translators of your story,I value the rationality behind the story as much as you do.Not easy,ofc.Anyway,EA(and SAGE) is always a hand-off boss...

I must admit that the reference to Kniefall is a great addition, kudos on my behalf. Also quite notable is the relation of this update to a statement I saw long ago in the past - that there are no true "just and evil" in this setting; how China drove out the GLA in Europe albeit with WMD's, and how in this update China is presented as a more cynical and dark faction when compared to the previous stories. Excellent as usual.

And that Comanche is beautiful.

so are the 8 missiles a buff or is it just making it fire 2 at once?

Sorry, but you must be kidding! The official designation of the world-famous Huey, that was immortalized through Vietnam war films, is Bell UH-1 Iroquois. I am a military tech supernerd but I did honestly thought that piece of fact was common knowledge. FYI, the US Army and National Guard is replacing its good ol' Hueys and Kiowas with the Eurocopter UH-72 Lakota.

To the SWR team: you are doing such a fantastic job! I introduced a friend of a friend to vanilla C&C Generals during a recent weekend LAN party and he found the game interesting. I then sent him a web link-saturated email that put main focus on your projects since you stand for quality and dedication and is the only serious ZH mod team that is active today.

To MARS: the Korean story is very credible and me like it a lot!

As I always say: Keep up the splendid job!

A Huey or Venom in ROTR would be cool like a blackhawk for other US gens but with a 50. Cal or M60 instead of a minigun and 6 slots instead of 8 although it wont happen. Its a shame aswell considering Vietnam Glory Obscured is the only mod to ever include one.

Well, the UH-1 would fit Bradley the most since he use alot of re-designed coldwar weapons.

Should be able to transport six infantry, armed with grenade-launcher or rocket pods and MG. Would be a good replacement for commanche and little bird.

Sadly, the 2 out of 3 rule will not make this happen, as you said.

And that unknown USA transport heli which can transport vehicles, would it be the Pave Low in Shockwave?

This post has been edited by X1Destroy: 25 Feb 2013, 19:42

This guy might just be better.

This would be better than a 1960's relic that was retired back in the 1990s.

That's basically what the starlifter in Shockwave was. and didn't the devs already say that they weren't using a starlifter?

Although my idea's no better either.

I'd like to remention this fatso who really can't be forgotten since of his name.

That won't happen since it's a kind of airship, not chopper.

And we already have the ECA airship.

It's called a walrus HULA. i just can't get that name out of my head. Can ya blame me?

Plus, i'm betting the devs are just gonna pick whatever we don't guess