Do you think that China is a little overpowered? Options

[Astraa009]

I have recently being playing multiplayer and notice that China is stronger then other factions.
With their nuke cannons range and twin fangs air power it becomes difficult for the enemy to defend against them.
Given their artillery barrage and napalm strike China can win it easy.

[Mizo]

They are one of the best factions, but not by a huge margin and not for the reasons you mentioned up.
What I mean is that everything Russia and USA can do China can do abit better if not on par. They have a very strong AF, one of the best basic infantry in the game, decent defense, and good frontal assault units. ECM tanks gives their Armies near immunity to missiles in terms of focused fire attacks. overlords are one of the most versatile superheavy tank in the game. Horde bonuses negate tear gas effects to a good extent. They have one of the best secondary economy in the game. They are one of the tops in term of map vision and control. Late game/Vlate game is their moment to shine due to their overwhelming numbers. Oh lets not talk about how stupidly good Infernos are for offensive purposes and how good Nuke cannons are for defensive purposes.

[Skitt]

wondered how long it would take for a faction op thread to appear for 1.86.

lets see...nuke cannons can be easily skirted just make it waste its shot, the arty barrage only hits 1 area not an issue, the fire strike is a r5 gp u should be able to put down ur own r5 gp around that time.

twinfangs are one of the best t2 aa's


china is not op, nor is it stronger than the other factions. one of the reasons it seems it is, is that china has the best t2 eco

This post has been edited by mr_Skittles: 15 Nov 2015, 15:41

[Astraa009]

wondered how long it would take for a faction op thread to appear for 1.86.

lets see...nuke cannons can be easily skirted just make it waste its shot, the arty barrage only hits 1 area not an issue, the fire strike is a r5 gp u should be able to put down ur own r5 gp around that time.

twinfangs are one of the best t2 aa's


china is not op, nor is it stronger than the other factions. one of the reasons it seems it is, is that china has the best t2 eco

In the face off map by ROTR China have all the advantage. Nukes can fire from his own base to the enemies and since the nuke cannon launches a shell it cannot be destroyed. The twin fang will prevent any air borne units attacking the nukes, and the nukes themselves can destroy oncoming ground units.

[SiR Chaff]

In the face off map by ROTR China have all the advantage. Nukes can fire from his own base to the enemies and since the nuke cannon launches a shell it cannot be destroyed. The twin fang will prevent any air borne units attacking the nukes, and the nukes themselves can destroy oncoming ground units.

So you're stating China is OP because the map you played it on is too freakin small?
China has already been nerfed to the ground from 1.82 to 1.85 for balance reasons and received the least amount of changes in 1.86 because it's fine as it is.

Play other proper maps. Problem solved.

[Astraa009]

So you're stating China is OP because the map you played it on is too freakin small?
China has already been nerfed to the ground from 1.82 to 1.85 for balance reasons and received the least amount of changes in 1.86 because it's fine as it is.

Play other proper maps. Problem solved.

Yea now that I thought about it, its the problem of the map not CHINA

[Grim Tuesday]

No.

[Kicknut00]

So you're stating China is OP because the map you played it on is too freakin small?
China has already been nerfed to the ground from 1.82 to 1.85 for balance reasons and received the least amount of changes in 1.86 because it's fine as it is.

Play other proper maps. Problem solved.

And in that moment Astra knew he fucked up

[Astraa009]

And in that moment Astra knew he fucked up

Big time

[{Lads}RikerZZZ]

Ill quickly add, china is not OP, but my god do they scale through the midgame impeccably well, and in lower skilled games (and even high ones depending on map) they do have a shitload of snowball potential

[M.P]

China is not OP.
However The only thing I hate from China is the map awareness. It's TOO much. (Sat hack, Com intercept, Out posts reveal large area and they're stealth, etc)

[LoneRebel]

And I remember a guy from a long while back (when China was even stronger than it is now) was complaining that China was too underpowered.

That guy, of course, was Chinese. Just goes to show...

And then of course, more recently a certain fellow was complaining that Twin Fangs are too weak because they have the shortest range of all T2 AA. Never mind that that range is still longer than most artillery, and the Twin Fang gets horrifying AoE and hitscan burst damage to compensate.

[Grim Tuesday]

And then of course, more recently a certain fellow was complaining that Twin Fangs are too weak because they have the shortest range of all T2 AA. Never mind that that range is still longer than most artillery, and the Twin Fang gets horrifying AoE and hitscan burst damage to compensate.

He has quite different role when compared to other t2AA. Its like super form of T1AA, so there is no wonder why some players might find it weak.

[Knjaz.]

And I remember a guy from a long while back (when China was even stronger than it is now) was complaining that China was too underpowered.

That guy, of course, was Chinese. Just goes to show...

And then of course, more recently a certain fellow was complaining that Twin Fangs are too weak because they have the shortest range of all T2 AA. Never mind that that range is still longer than most artillery, and the Twin Fang gets horrifying AoE and hitscan burst damage to compensate.

People just often forget that if you're using Chinese units, make sure they have Horde bonus on them for normal efficiency, and propaganda on top of that for maximum efficiency.

This post has been edited by Knjaz.: 16 Nov 2015, 13:56

[Rohan]

And yet very few people play China.

[Zion]

I think people who call china OP, are people who don't know how to counter it properly..
Here are 2 tips.. and a third obvious one
1) Snipe the airfield.. if china doesn't have migs.. they lose to any artillery/air harassment (EVERYTIME) unless you dont build any artillery/air
2) Snipe the unit production.. if you keep targeting the warfactory.. china can't produce units... and that's its strong point.
3) although this is always important.. I dont think focusing the supply center should be your main Priority.. kill its WF then the supply Cuz china can recover from supply harassment.. especially later in the game.

It does have the worst base defenses though (compared to other factions) Not saying a well placed bunker "won't" do the job.. its just not as good as EVERY other faction. So that's one thing that sucks about china.

I remember the Twin fang Post.. WELL at the time Russia was so freaking strong especially those Hinds.. That my issue was Fangs were expensive to spam, and they had low range, and they could be countered easy with Goliath and fly into its minimum range. So at the "Time" you can't blame me for blasting the fangs.. But once russia received its proper nerfs.. this no longer is a problem, and I was drunk when I made that post as well.. go figure

One big advantage China has is its vision... the fact that China doesn't always need map control to know whats going on.. But it needs it.. take that away.. and china will be significantly worse than Russia, and won't be balanced.. plus people that complain about it.. are people that "Assume that the com is OP" When you actually start playing China you will realize its not that easy to use the ability.. AND you just wasted a GP on vision, rather than Tech.. which vs a good player Tech is more important I think..

This post has been edited by Zion: 16 Nov 2015, 15:59

[Kicknut00]

I think people who call china OP, are people who don't know how to counter it properly..
Here are 2 tips.. and a third obvious one
1) Snipe the airfield.. if china doesn't have migs.. they lose to any artillery/air harassment (EVERYTIME) unless you dont build any artillery/air
2) Snipe the unit production.. if you keep targeting the warfactory.. china can't produce units... and that's its strong point.
3) although this is always important.. I dont think focusing the supply center should be your main Priority.. kill its WF then the supply Cuz china can recover from supply harassment.. especially later in the game.

It does have the worst base defenses though (compared to other factions) Not saying a well placed bunker "won't" do the job.. its just not as good as EVERY other faction. So that's one thing that sucks about china.

I remember the Twin fang Post.. WELL at the time Russia was so freaking strong especially those Hinds.. That my issue was Fangs were expensive to spam, and they had low range, and they could be countered easy with Goliath and fly into its minimum range. So at the "Time" you can't blame me for blasting the fangs.. But once russia received its proper nerfs.. this no longer is a problem, and I was drunk when I made that post as well.. go figure

One big advantage China has is its vision... the fact that China doesn't always need map control to know whats going on.. But it needs it.. take that away.. and china will be significantly worse than Russia, and won't be balanced.. plus people that complain about it.. are people that "Assume that the com is OP" When you actually start playing China you will realize its not that easy to use the ability.. AND you just wasted a GP on vision, rather than Tech.. which vs a good player Tech is more important I think..

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[Zion]

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[X1Destroy]

Actually, the faction that have the worst base defenses is Russia, not China.



This post has been edited by X1Destroy: 16 Nov 2015, 17:00

[LoneRebel]

Actually, the faction that have the worst base defenses is Russia, not China.

And even then, it's not worst by much. And for the most part Russia hardly even needs base defenses.

It must be said that Chinese bunkers are actually pretty good however. Fairly tough, no power requirement, and an unclearable garrison of five infantry which can gain promotions.

Actually, although Russia's supposed to have the worst defenses, something has to be said about GLA defenses that can be decrewed by...a whole lot of things.

[X1Destroy]

Yes, Russia have the worst base defenses because they are hardly used.

China, GLA and ECA can rely on them heavily since power requirement is not a problem for them. USA may run into problems if they spam too much protectors, but firebases with laser lock MDs is already a nightmare. Only Russia suffer from this, and even more because theirs powerplant need bigger build space while providing less power, and theirs most effective Tesla coil defense consume more power than all others in the game. Russia is also the only faction that doesn't have a base defense with no power requirement.

Which is acceptable, because it's an offensive faction and since you have super heavy tanks that are mobile and harder to kill than the buildings, it's not a problem.

GLA defense isn't crap, because they are stealth. And that alone is more annoying than anything. Also, demo traps.

But the best GLA defense is as always, the tunnels.

This post has been edited by X1Destroy: 16 Nov 2015, 17:29

[Zion]

Actually, the faction that have the worst base defenses is Russia, not China.

oh jeez... xD

[Astraa009]

China against ECA and I cant find a correct way to defeat China by using ECA.
- ECA tanks are weaker then China tanks
- ECA relies highly on artillery thought their artillery units are not a match for nukes
- Air units are easily destroyed by twin fangs
- No use of infantry against a load of nukes, same applies to any ground unit

ECA defenses are strong and you can defend your base with them but the Chinese special powers destroys the entire front line not to mention the nuclear missile.
Jets for ECA and a higher chance of destroying nukes

Any suggestion of a way to 'defeat' China

[Zion]

China against ECA and I cant find a correct way to defeat China by using ECA.
- ECA tanks are weaker then China tanks
- ECA relies highly on artillery thought their artillery units are not a match for nukes
- Air units are easily destroyed by twin fangs
- No use of infantry against a load of nukes, same applies to any ground unit

ECA defenses are strong and you can defend your base with them but the Chinese special powers destroys the entire front line not to mention the nuclear missile.
Jets for ECA and a higher chance of destroying nukes

Any suggestion of a way to 'defeat' China

lol, ask mizo.. he will GLADLY tell you what he does to my china

This post has been edited by Zion: 16 Nov 2015, 19:19

[X1Destroy]

Get Pandora, get Claymores. And bombard it to dust.

ECA units are too valuable to go trash around with Chinese units.

This post has been edited by X1Destroy: 16 Nov 2015, 19:20